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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:32:26 AM EDT
Don’t know who all had seen this but I was curious to how the ATF would handle the situation. “Gunsmith” told the guy if he didn’t pay in 30 days he was keeping the rifle! What a joke! Note this isn’t me just saw it online.
Email of him saying he would keep the rifle. What a joke. Mike Neff [email protected] To: greghvac1967 Jun 5 at 4:15 PM You know what if like to have your buddy put stuff on my page Neff arms and talk shit about me then no am not helping you whit your bill so now you can just pay the bill in full we are not working it out you have 30days to pay bill or you will Forfeit the gun thanks and have a good day” “Let me educate you on how the law works rather it's At a a item or not You have 30 days to pay If not I will get a paper from the ATF stating that the gun belongs to me now and then I will sell it plain and simple I've been doing this for way too many years all you have to do is pay the bill and you get the gun returned if not you forfeit it in the ATF gives me paperwork and the gun belongs to me So if you wanna spend a couple 1000 more on a lawyer go right ahead If you like I can give you the number to my lawyer and they can work it out I'm not a hard a** I'm not trying to rip anyone off but you have to pay your bill I have over a 100 hours in that gun.” |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:33:59 AM EDT
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I ain't buyin it
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:36:17 AM EDT
[#2]
There's more to this story
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:36:17 AM EDT
[#3]
What is the gun supposed to be?
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:37:04 AM EDT
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AMN2 .30
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:37:05 AM EDT
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LOL
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:37:18 AM EDT
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A lot can be discerned about the FFL just by looking at his business card.
First of all, having an e-mail address in which you refer to yourself as bossneff sounds kind of douchey and pretentious-almost as bad as James Yeager referring to himself as MFCEO, when we all know he's actually just the Ditch Bitch. Secondly, he has Type 07 FFL Class 3 listed. A class 3 SOT is for a licensed dealer, who would have a Type 01 FFL. A Type 07 FFL-a licensed manufacturer-is a Class 2 SOT. FFL's who don't use the incorrect info, rather than taking the time to educate people with the right info, irritate the fuck out of me. (I used to hold a Type 07 FFL and Class 2 SOT.) |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:38:02 AM EDT
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Yeah.....there is more to the story than that. If I brought a rifle to a smith and he went ahead with racking up $10k in costs without consulting me along the way I wouldn't be paying the bill either. Could have just replaced the barrel with a new one and been done.
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:39:06 AM EDT
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What kind of gun? Did he agree to pay for certain services in advance? Was there a cap on them?
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:39:27 AM EDT
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OP, you really need to edit your post to remove your buddy's e-mail address.
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:39:51 AM EDT
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What kind of barrel requires 50+ hours of machining???
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:40:10 AM EDT
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What is the gun supposed to be? |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:40:17 AM EDT
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I'd be thoroughly pissed if someone ran 1000 rounds through my gun to fucking test it.
The rest is just absurd. |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:41:46 AM EDT
[#13]
Who the fuck still uses Hotmail?
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:42:39 AM EDT
[#14]
Id like the whole story.
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:43:03 AM EDT
[#15]
I was expecting this to be a bill for swapping out a tank barrel or giant naval gun.
50+ hours of machining on a barrel?  $275 to cerakote just a barrel? you can have a whole gun done for that much
1,000 rounds to "test" something? that is excessive even if its a MG
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:43:47 AM EDT
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OK missed the post abut it being a AMN2 .30
I seem to remember Mr Neff making some viral news awhile back as well |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:44:13 AM EDT
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AMN2 .30 |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:44:14 AM EDT
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Need more info on gun and work done
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:45:05 AM EDT
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I was expecting this to be a bill for swapping out a tank barrel or giant naval gun. 50+ hours of machining on a barrel?
$275 to cerakote just a barrel?
1,000 rounds to "test" something? 
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:45:34 AM EDT
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I'd be thoroughly pissed if someone ran 1000 rounds through my gun to fucking test it. The rest is just absurd.
There isn't anything wrong with kitchen table FFLs, but I'd question this guys experience putting 50 hours into a barrel without knowing more to the story.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:46:19 AM EDT
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I tried following that train wreck on Facebook. What a cluster fuck
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:47:14 AM EDT
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And, the FFL is full of shit about ATF just transferring the firearm to him over a civil issue such as an unpaid gunsmithing bill. BATFE will take the position that it is a civil matter and that they need to resolve it in civil court-especially so if the "owner" already has an approved Form 4 transferring the gun into his possession. The FFL might have an even stronger case if the owner completed a Form 5 before giving the dealer the gun for the work. If there is no written contract, work order, or written correspondence in which the work was authorized, the owner could try playing the "I only sent it to him to have the stuck case removed, I didn't ask him to do the other work" card.
Of course, if the gun is still on a Form 3 to the FFL and the "owner" was waiting on the Form 4 to go through, the FFL can simply advise BATFE NFA Branch that the transfer never occurred and the FFL retains the gun. |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:47:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This... and if it's $4000 for a case of ammo, then it's no exotic caliber. Then 50 hours of work on a common caliber?
There isn't anything wrong with kitchen table FFLs, but I'd question this guys experience putting 50 hours into a barrel without knowing more to the story. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/594/Kitchen_Table_FFL-568375.JPG Oh wait I think you just added a zero by accident |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:49:36 AM EDT
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If someone put 1K rounds through my "new" barrel I'd be pissed.
Let alone the other bullshit |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:49:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
AMN2 .30 |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:49:53 AM EDT
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I tried following that train wreck on Facebook. @SDMF_Rebel |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:50:16 AM EDT
[#27]
In on this train wreck
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:50:54 AM EDT
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Could you share a link or info Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I tried following that train wreck on Facebook. |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:51:12 AM EDT
[#29]
1000 rds for testing? WTF.
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:51:24 AM EDT
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If it is nfa and the atf gets involved he will not get paid and be forced to return the gun.
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:52:17 AM EDT
[#31]
I should start my own FFL if these are the going rates.
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:52:18 AM EDT
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A barrel for a 1919 is like $200 can we get more context on what's going on here? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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AMN2 .30 |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:52:35 AM EDT
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1000 rds for testing? WTF. Much more than just changing a barrel |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:53:07 AM EDT
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This is fucked up. Gunsmith sounds like a retard.
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:53:23 AM EDT
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Its only 400 worth of ammo though Oh wait I think you just added a zero by accident Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: This... and if it's $4000 for a case of ammo, then it's no exotic caliber. Then 50 hours of work on a common caliber?
There isn't anything wrong with kitchen table FFLs, but I'd question this guys experience putting 50 hours into a barrel without knowing more to the story. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/594/Kitchen_Table_FFL-568375.JPG Oh wait I think you just added a zero by accident $400 for 1,000 rounds of belted 7.62x51 sounds a little more reasonable, though. That makes me wonder if the machining work was to rebarrel the gun from the original .30-06 to 7.62x51. That's still an awful lot of money for a barrel, even if it's a one off project. If the owner agreed to a price anywhere near that beforehand, he's an idiot for not shopping the project around to more qualified and experienced places who wouldn't try to rape him. ANM2 .308 barrel for $219 |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:53:52 AM EDT
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A lot can be discerned about the FFL just by looking at his business card. First of all, having an e-mail address in which you refer to yourself as bossneff sounds kind of douchey and pretentious-almost as bad as James Yeager referring to himself as MFCEO, when we all know he's actually just the Ditch Bitch. Secondly, he has Type 07 FFL Class 3 listed. A class 3 SOT is for a licensed dealer, who would have a Type 01 FFL. A Type 07 FFL-a licensed manufacturer-is a Class 2 SOT. FFL's who don't use the incorrect info, rather than taking the time to educate people with the right info, irritate the fuck out of me. (I used to hold a Type 07 FFL and Class 2 SOT.) |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:54:14 AM EDT
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I'm not buying it, unless it involves machining a replacement barrel for a machinegun for which no other replacement barrel exists, and even then, it sounds... excessive.
And why remove a stuck casing if you are replacing the barrel? Quoted:
< snip > If not I will get a paper from the ATF stating that the gun belongs to me now and then I will sell it plain and simple ... if not you forfeit it in the ATF gives me paperwork and the gun belongs to me < snip > |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:54:18 AM EDT
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I was expecting this to be a bill for swapping out a tank barrel or giant naval gun. 50+ hours of machining on a barrel? $275 to cerakote just a barrel? you can have a whole gun done for that much
1,000 rounds to "test" something? that is excessive even if its a MGI wouldn’t send out a gun with less than a thousand rounds through it. If my integrity is on the line I want to be sure it functions. |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:54:33 AM EDT
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Its only 400 worth of ammo though Oh wait I think you just added a zero by accident Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: This... and if it's $4000 for a case of ammo, then it's no exotic caliber. Then 50 hours of work on a common caliber?
There isn't anything wrong with kitchen table FFLs, but I'd question this guys experience putting 50 hours into a barrel without knowing more to the story. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/594/Kitchen_Table_FFL-568375.JPG Oh wait I think you just added a zero by accident
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:54:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:55:05 AM EDT
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At least he isn't using Indian MIM parts.
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:55:18 AM EDT
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In on this.
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:55:20 AM EDT
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Need way more info before rendering judgment on this one.
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:55:27 AM EDT
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What the hell gun was it for this guy to machine a whole new barrel?
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:57:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $400 for 1,000 rounds of belted .30-06 is pretty low and I doubt the FFL had a bunch of links laying around and only bought the ammo. $400 for 1,000 rounds of belted 7.62x51 sounds a little more reasonable, though. That makes me wonder if the machining work was to rebarrel the gun from the original .30-06 to 7.62x51. That's still an awful lot of money for a barrel, even if it's a one off project. If the owner agreed to a price anywhere near that beforehand, he's an idiot for not shopping the project around to more qualified and experienced places who wouldn't try to rape him. ANM2 .308 barrel for $219 |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:59:11 AM EDT
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What the hell gun was it for this guy to machine a whole new barrel? |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:59:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/7/2018 12:00:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This... and if it's $400 for a case of ammo, then it's no exotic caliber. Then 50 hours of work on a common caliber?
There isn't anything wrong with kitchen table FFLs, but I'd question this guys experience putting 50 hours into a barrel without knowing more to the story. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/594/Kitchen_Table_FFL-568375.JPG |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 12:00:40 PM EDT
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8mm barrel for $199.99 Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: $400 for 1,000 rounds of belted .30-06 is pretty low and I doubt the FFL had a bunch of links laying around and only bought the ammo. $400 for 1,000 rounds of belted 7.62x51 sounds a little more reasonable, though. That makes me wonder if the machining work was to rebarrel the gun from the original .30-06 to 7.62x51. That's still an awful lot of money for a barrel, even if it's a one off project. If the owner agreed to a price anywhere near that beforehand, he's an idiot for not shopping the project around to more qualified and experienced places who wouldn't try to rape him. ANM2 .308 barrel for $219 |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 12:00:41 PM EDT
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