FOIA from ATF regarding Mandalay Bay shooting and bumpstocks 4.14.2018 - DOCUMENTS ARE HERE - Page 2

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - FOIA from ATF regarding Mandalay Bay shooting and bumpstocks 4.14.2018 - DOCUMENTS ARE HERE (Page 2 of 4)

Posted: 4/14/2018 3:33:48 PM EDT

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Thank you!

Posted: 4/14/2018 3:37:17 PM EDT

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I'm only about 2/3 of the way through reading the 4 documents....

ATF was sending out classification letters as late as 2017 clearly stating that bump stocks were *NOT* machine guns.

Posted: 4/14/2018 3:37:31 PM EDT

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Yea the AK is interesting. Seen a lot of AKs over the years. Never that set up

Posted: 4/14/2018 3:40:07 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/14/2018 3:41:31 PM EDT

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I'm only about 2/3 of the way through reading the 4 documents....

ATF was sending out classification letters as late as 2017 clearly stating that bump stocks were *NOT* machine guns.

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Hopefully this will help lawsuits when they reclassified them.

Posted: 4/14/2018 3:41:35 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/14/2018 3:42:59 PM EDT

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Redacting the DOJ memos seem shady as all hell.

Posted: 4/14/2018 3:43:06 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/14/2018 3:44:10 PM EDT

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Part one seems to be focusing on the bump stocks, and making the media aware of the nfa and background of other devices besides the bumpstocks.
No agenda here, nope.

Posted: 4/14/2018 3:46:25 PM EDT

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Thanks for the work you do.

Keep up the fight!

Posted: 4/14/2018 3:52:30 PM EDT

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Wow, great work Nolo. Surprised they came through with so much.

Posted: 4/14/2018 3:54:57 PM EDT

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Awesome, thanks NOLO.

OST

Posted: 4/14/2018 3:56:46 PM EDT

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What I don't understand is why anything would be blacked out besides stuff like a persons injuries(IE medical info), info of witnesses, , Can you give me some examples in English(vs the sub dialect of English known as legalease)?

Posted: 4/14/2018 3:58:07 PM EDT

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Autoglove?

and my mind went right to the gutter....

Posted: 4/14/2018 3:58:13 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/14/2018 4:04:31 PM EDT

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Way to much b5....

Posted: 4/14/2018 4:05:17 PM EDT

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Jeesus, it's no wonder bureaucrats are held in such high esteem. Page after page of cut and pasting the same information over and over and over.

Seems that that entire document needs distilled down by removing all the duplicate verbiage in order to be semi-digestible.

Whatcha reckon is in all those pages 'removed for further review'?

Posted: 4/14/2018 4:05:29 PM EDT

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We should be getting monthly productions.

and as soon as FBI responds I’ll post it up.

Posted: 4/14/2018 4:09:31 PM EDT

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Pages 200 - 202 on Volume 2 are very interesting. The email from Ron Turk brings up "1986 statute" as "another legal issue".

Posted: 4/14/2018 4:10:51 PM EDT

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Thanks, brother. You're a good egg.

Posted: 4/14/2018 4:11:02 PM EDT

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WHAT DON'T YOU SEE?

You don't see a list of crimes committed with them!

You see a couple of prohibited persons in possession of them but nothing about actively committing a crime with them.

Seems pretty odd with some 520,000 out in circulation....statistically there are being used unlawfully some 3/520,000 or 0.0000057% and that's only IF they were actually used in Vegas.

Posted: 4/14/2018 4:11:35 PM EDT

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Holy hell!!!!! TLDR and that's just section one!!!

Posted: 4/14/2018 4:11:57 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/14/2018 4:12:07 PM EDT

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In on 2!

Posted: 4/14/2018 4:17:01 PM EDT

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WHAT DON'T YOU SEE?

You don't see a list of crimes committed with them!

You see a couple of prohibited persons in possession of them but nothing about actively committing a crime with them.

Seems pretty odd with some 520,000 out in circulation....statistically there are being used unlawfully some 3/520,000 or 0.0000057% and that's only IF they were actually used in Vegas.

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Do we see confirmation of bump stocks being used at Mandalay Bay?

Posted: 4/14/2018 4:18:40 PM EDT

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Looks like they are blocking out some important stuff in Vol 1 and claiming attorney-client privilege. To me there should not be attorney-client privilege between two different departments like the ATF and DOJ on things like this, how about some transperancy.

Posted: 4/14/2018 4:19:16 PM EDT

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From Ron Turk:

Slightly different redaction later in the file:

Posted: 4/14/2018 4:25:13 PM EDT

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Do we see confirmation of bump stocks being used at Mandalay Bay?

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WHAT DON'T YOU SEE?

You don't see a list of crimes committed with them!

You see a couple of prohibited persons in possession of them but nothing about actively committing a crime with them.

Seems pretty odd with some 520,000 out in circulation....statistically there are being used unlawfully some 3/520,000 or 0.0000057% and that's only IF they were actually used in Vegas.

Do we see confirmation of bump stocks being used at Mandalay Bay?

No we do not. Between this disclosure and the one from Las Vegas PD, it can only be confirmed that bump fire stocks were present on some firearms in the hotel room.

NO ONE HAS CONFIRMED THAT ANY BUMP FIRE EQUIPPED FIREARM WAS ACTUALLY FIRED (To date).

What we do see is that ATF defends it's classification very logically to the press after the Vegas Shooting....I'd bet the redacted report contains the same.

Posted: 4/14/2018 4:25:46 PM EDT

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In on Page 2.

Posted: 4/14/2018 4:30:30 PM EDT

[#30]

I love you Nolo.

Posted: 4/14/2018 4:33:52 PM EDT

[#31]

tag

Posted: 4/14/2018 4:37:33 PM EDT

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Agree or shit like this: Pages 568-571 Pulled for additional review.

Posted: 4/14/2018 4:37:34 PM EDT

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I'd really love to know what the "few exceptions" are.... wouldn't you?

And what is this about increased machine gun registrations?

Posted: 4/14/2018 5:05:11 PM EDT

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In on 2 for later

Posted: 4/14/2018 5:13:18 PM EDT

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OST

Posted: 4/14/2018 5:47:47 PM EDT

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downloaded for later.

thanks for sharing

Posted: 4/14/2018 5:47:50 PM EDT

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Nice work, as always!

Like water on rock, keep eroding the bastards.

Posted: 4/14/2018 5:49:15 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/14/2018 6:07:59 PM EDT

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I'd really love to know what the "few exceptions" are.... wouldn't you?

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IIRC a convicted felon can't be charged for NFA violations because being required to register them would violate 5th Amendement. Don't remember the specific case law...

Posted: 4/14/2018 6:13:37 PM EDT

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Yea the AK is interesting. Seen a lot of AKs over the years. Never that set up

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I haven’t seen the pics but I’m going to guess it’s one of those rare norinco bullpup variants.

Posted: 4/14/2018 6:52:29 PM EDT

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From Part 2 or 3, looks like he had drivers licenses for Nevada and California at the same time - he was buying guns from Bass Pro stores in both states in late 2016.

Posted: 4/14/2018 7:01:00 PM EDT

[#42]

OST.

Thanks for all you do, Nolo.

Posted: 4/14/2018 7:01:46 PM EDT

[#43]

This should be posted as a comment to the new bump stock rule.

Posted: 4/14/2018 7:02:19 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/14/2018 7:21:53 PM EDT

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Soon is now.

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Posted: 4/14/2018 7:29:10 PM EDT

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Thank you, Nolo! And tag for later, when I'm not on my phone.

Posted: 4/14/2018 7:39:57 PM EDT

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OCR on first volume is complete....

You can't host PDF files in AR15.com.... not sure where to put these.

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I’ve had PDFs hosted on mediafire.com for several years, no problem.

It’s free for you to store files there. People who download may see an ad ( big deal ).

You can email them to me and I’ll upload them and post links, or you can setup your own account and do it yourself.

Thanks for OCR’ing !

Posted: 4/14/2018 7:55:19 PM EDT

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Hopefully the atf letters will assist any lawsuits over the bump stock ban.

Posted: 4/14/2018 8:05:29 PM EDT

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No we do not. Between this disclosure and the one from Las Vegas PD, it can only be confirmed that bump fire stocks were present on some firearms in the hotel room.

NO ONE HAS CONFIRMED THAT ANY BUMP FIRE EQUIPPED FIREARM WAS ACTUALLY FIRED (To date).

What we do see is that ATF defends it's classification very logically to the press after the Vegas Shooting....I'd bet the redacted report contains the same.

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What do you want to bet that that ATF defense of its classification is a knock-down headshot of legal argument as to why they should not be banned that way?

Posted: 4/14/2018 8:50:18 PM EDT

[#50]

This is why I bought a Texas nolo dillo

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