@clutchsmoke

Sure

A member who I shall not name, who mods have verified to be an election "expert" posts in every singe Trump/stolen election thread. He vociferously argues that there's no proof of election fraud and specifically and frequently cites Maricopa County and the various lawsuits etc.  I've dubbed him and his cohorts election fraud defenders and true to form (lawyers) they never really refute that assessment, they slither and slink around it and sometimes resorting to mockery or gaslighting.

Ever have people bring their Shenanigans to derail a thread / try to have people banned?

Go ahead and hit that report button!

they seem to be protected from on high

Are we allowed to ask why?

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Adding: now I remember a mod assuming those who were not supporting the Z man were Putin cocksuckers but when I posted "in before (do the opposite)" I got a warning.

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Cocksuckers moved the "certification" to an hour and a half before they are due to deliver data to the court.  To moot the issue.

We really should surround the building with thousands of citizens and not let them in.  Ever again.

How does anyone honesty look at what they have done and are doing, and conclude anything other than that they have nefarious motives?

the Left engages in motive sliding. Say it's simply bitter resentment for losing. that it's insulting to the hard work of 'honest' men and women doing such hard unappreciative work during the election campaigns. That it challenges the very character of the people and the process. That you must hate democracy to go down this road of insults and false accusations. etc.

Generally, normies will factor it in because of normalcy bias and the willingness to hear the other side. Then, because so much noise of hurt is made by the left, the grievous wounding, they want to move on by dismissing it as simply a one-off. Making at least semi-plausible excuses in their minds for all of the obviously dubious things that happen (coincidentally) that it makes dismissing it and not having to think about it a bit easier.  

It plays into the desire of those just wanting to live their lives being at the mercy of the shenanigans of those who want to control and dominate their lives. Two different states of mind. The difference between authoritarians and the liberty-driven.

This ,  it's so audacious and in your face ,  they don't gaf,   we won ,deal w/ it.

"We cheated.  We didn't even bother campaigning or attending a debate!  Do you finally understand?  The media will cover for us and anyone who won't go along with the story that 'democrats won' will be ostracized and viewed as a nut job.  Or cancelled."
                                     -the Left

https://www.maricopa.gov/directory.aspx?did=8

Call, email the supervisors, their chief and deputy chiefs of staff.

Click and email, takes seconds.
Make the calls, takes a minute each.

Isn't it worth your time?

Demand they delay certification.  Demand they nullify election results.

Are the people in AZ going to roll over and take it?

ehh  what are you suggesting exactly?

I think I ran into his bullshit yesterday.

Bump!

Now turned into firemission

Thanks to @viralinsurgency

Let's get as many people on this.

While it doesn't hurt to still make your voice heard, you're talking about people who clearly don't GAF about what you think.

Protesting and preventing the meeting from being held until the courts are open and everything can be held seems like it has a far greater chance of being successful than sending messages to people whose minds are closed to them.  They should still be sent, for the record if for nothing else, but one seems to have a better chance of practical success than the other.

Actually, thanks and credit go to you, since I'm guessing you posted the fire mission (just logged back on and haven't seen it yet).
Here's hoping people are spreading it on twitter and text also, and we fill their damn email boxes to the extent other mail gets bounced back!



Sadly, these people are so power hungry and corrupt I fear no amount of evidence or appeals to honor their oaths will have any effect.  

Oh, I will keep contacting them even after they shiv us in the back, calling on them to resign, etc, but they have made their decision just like two years ago to participate in the STEAL, not just look the other way.  Evidence won't sway them because they KNOW the election is a farce... they threw it!

I'd like to surround the building with 10,000 patriots, obstruct and prevent their false certification, but they'd just do it in a building down the street, or at police HQ.  And likely claim our presence kept them from honoring the court's demands, or some tripe like that.

Republicans are worse than Democrats, as they lie and deceive and act as traitors in our midst, betraying America when it is vulnerable and counting on them... unlike Democrats who openly profess to hate and seek to destroy us.

What we have locally and nationally is a uniparty, and it moves the Overton window ever leftward.  Republicans are allowed to win occasionally to act as a pressure release valve: they prevent rebellion.  GOP wins elicit a false hope, though, since they NEVER roll back the gains of the authoritarian Left.  Look what Doucey allowed, and helped the Democrats cement in place.

Nationally, tranny story hour, men in women's locker rooms or playing their sports, 8% inflation, open borders, grooming children in school, and driving private vehicle ownership beyond the reach of many Americans... this all is normalized and becoming the jumping off point.

I've lost all faith in elections.  You can't vote your way out of socialism, as they say, and this is far worse than socialism.

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Watch this from 42 minutes in to 52 or beyond.


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The republican members of the uniparty allowed the democrats to cheat the big races, manufacturing 400,000 to 700,000 votes depending on the race.

The republicans "managed" to win the house by 1 seat, which means the D governor can veto anything they pass.

There is no way democrats voted for governor, sos, AG, and all the ballot initiatives (like illegals getting in-state tuition, tax hikes, and blocking voter ID), yet didn't bother voting for democrat senator slots for the state (which would direct how those new taxes are spent)!

Democrats would have won EVERY state senator seat if they voted in the numbers they manufactured for governor and top-of-ticket races!

Yet 700,000 democrats just left the democrat state senator races blank?  REALLY.?????!,??!?,?,?!!

Keep it up and you'll summon the SME demon

It's almost like those numbers for the state senate votes are off.  As if maybe a person with elementary school level math skills could go to the Arizona Secretary of State's election results website, do some basic addition, and easily see that the state senate vote numbers in that screenshot don't match the actual numbers.

That would be strange, wouldn't it?

Something funky is going on.

right on que

That called. Fuckery. No two ways about it

Cochise County refuses to certify results.

Ron Gould of the Mohave County Board of Supervisors was told he would be arrested if he did not certify the election: "I vote aye under duress...I found out today that I have no choice but to vote "Aye" or I will be arrested and charged with a felony".

https://gab.com/TommyRobinsonOfficial/posts/109424411931201945

So... voting aye under duress, under threat of felony arrest, on film. probably on live tv as well.
Isn't that proof itself the certification is invalid?  Anything said under duress is not legally valid, AFAIK.

Either Mohave or Maricopa county could be the "shot heard around the world."

ETA, or Cochise, since they are the only one standing up for justice and integrity.

Mohave or Maricopa have the potential to blow up and be the shot heard everywhere.

They are the only ones with the integrity to do the right thing.

The rest must be removed from office and punished for their crime.

Arrested by who? For what?

He didn't say who.  County lawyers probably trying to scare him into certifying the fraud.  If he was smart, he'd demand to see the code that states refusal to certify questionable election can result in arrest and charges filed.

But he was driven by fear.

My heart aches for our country.

Yes.

Holy shit

WTF is happening right before our eyes


This could get ugly

Should have asked under what law.

Yup, and they'd have no answer.  He caved to irrational fear, but at least he voiced the issues and that he was approving under duress.  I have more respect for him than his peers.  The rest of the counties that approved were straight cowards or willing participants in the fraud.

Cochise, Mohave and Maricopa all have the potential to detonate.

A stronger man would have stood firm and said "arrest ME, motherfucker."

Having said that, the PTB would just fire him and replace him with someone who is willing to play along with the left.

16-407.03. Election deadlines; filings; violation; classification

Except when prescribed by a court of competent jurisdiction, no officer or agent of this state, a political subdivision of this state or any other governmental entity in this state may modify or agree to modify any deadline, filing date, submittal date or other election-related date that is provided for in statute.  A person who violates this section is guilty of a class 6 felony.

16-642. Canvass of election; postponements

A. The governing body holding an election shall meet and canvass the election not less than six days nor more than twenty days following the election.

16-645. Canvass and return of precinct vote; declaring nominee of party; certificate of nomination; write-in candidates

A. When the board of supervisors, or the governing body of a city or town, has completed its canvass of precinct returns, the person having the largest number of votes, or if more than one candidate is necessary, those candidates to the required number who have received the largest number of votes for the nomination for an office in the political party of which the person was set forth on the ballot as a candidate for the nomination, shall be declared the nominee of the party for that office and shall be given a certificate of nomination for that office by the board or governing body, which shall entitle the person to have the person's name placed on the official ballot at the ensuing election as the nominee of the party for the office. When canvassing write-in votes the apparent intent of the voter shall be taken into consideration to the extent possible and the standard prescribed for federal write-in candidates in section 16-543.02, subsection C applies.

B. The board of supervisors shall deliver the canvass to the secretary of state within fourteen days after the primary election, and the secretary of state shall on or before the third Monday following the primary election canvass the return and issue a letter declaring nomination as provided in this section to the nominees who filed nominating petitions and papers with the secretary of state pursuant to section 16-311, subsection D. For any partisan primary election, the governing body or officer in charge of elections shall prepare and transmit to the secretary of state along with the official canvass the total by party of partisan ballots selected in that primary election by voters who registered as no party preference, as independents or as members of a political party that is not qualified for representation on the ballot.

16-646. Statement, contents and mailing of official canvass

A. When the result of the canvass is determined, a statement, known and designated as the official canvass, shall be entered on the official record of the election district that shall show:

1. The number of ballots cast in each precinct and in the county.

2. The number of ballots rejected in each precinct and in the county.

3. The titles of the offices voted for and the names of the persons, together with the party designation, if any, of each person voted for to fill the offices.

4. The number of votes by precincts and county received by each candidate.

5. For each candidate race in each political subdivision prescribed by section 16-204.01, the number of ballots cast and the number of active registered voters in each political subdivision and portion of a political subdivision for which a candidate may be elected.

6. The numbers and a brief title of each proposed constitutional amendment and each initiated or referred measure voted on.

7. The number of votes by precincts and county for and against such proposed amendment or measure.

B. The certified permanent copy of the official canvass for all offices and ballot measures, except offices and ballot measures in a city or town election and nonpartisan election returns, shall be mailed immediately to the secretary of state who shall maintain and preserve it as a permanent public record.

C. The board of supervisors shall deliver a copy of the official canvass for all offices and ballot measures in the primary and general elections to the secretary of state in a uniform electronic computer media format that shall be agreed on between the secretary of state and all county election officials. The uniform format shall be designed to facilitate the computer analysis of election results for offices and ballot measures that are statewide or are common to more than one county.

D. The certified permanent copy of the official canvass for all offices and ballot measures in a city or town election shall be filed with the appropriate city or town clerk, or in a special district election with the clerk of the board of supervisors, who shall maintain and preserve it as a permanent public record.

16-1009. Failure or refusal to perform duty by election officer; classification

A public officer upon whom a duty is imposed by this title, who knowingly fails or refuses to perform that duty in the manner prescribed by law, is guilty of a class 3 misdemeanor.

You can file an election complaint at the below link.

https://www.azag.gov/complaints/election

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The  BOS is required to vote.  The law may NOT require them to vote to approve certification, or there is no reason to vote at all.  

The supervisors can not be charged for voting "no".  People on election boards have done so in the past, and weren't arrested.

But as predictable as the _ trolls and the never trumpers and fake conservatives all being condescending asshats, their agenda and narrative is set, and they as usual are calling any assertion of impropriety or voter disenfranchisement a conspiracy theory (even admitted 48% tabulator malfunctions and toner issues).  The GOPe and Democrat attorneys, SME's and media personalities are panning this as a safe and secure election being attacked by fanatical right wingers, as they claim victim status and say "I'm offended" by legitimate charges.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S6pr93AOh-M&feature=youtu.be

@Shenanigunz read this as I have re read what you posted and no where does it say they have to vote yes.

Fraud vitiates everything

United States v. Throckmorton, 98 U.S. 61 (1878)

How could it possibly be illegal to fail to vote to certify the vote ?  What is the point of a vote if its mandated to certify it ? It makes no sense.  Worst case he could resign. No law forces him to duty.

The only thing that would be seem relevant would be the bottom statute.

That might compel him to vote but it would definitely not compel him to vote yes if he did not agree with it.  Nowhere in those statutes does it compel him to certify against his judgment.

Don’t humor him. He’s an idiot. EVERYONE here knows it. All he does is post insults, and trolls relentlessly because he’s a sad person.  Picture him in his wife beater and stained boxers with his highly polished jackboots and drunk and you have an accurate picture.

The BOS vote is not a statutory requirement, it's parliamentary procedure for the conduct of their meetings.  Nowhere in statute does it require them to approve the canvass by vote.  I underlined the "shall" in the listed statutes for a reason.  That's because it's not optional.  

Which has absolutely nothing to do with elections, not to mention the court in that case did not support that statement.

Here's more on coercion to vote to certify from another county, and of course the democrats antsy to be approved...

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So ErikinAZ want's people to mount up and form a posse, but a couple people won't even take the chance of catching a felony to make sure elections are legit? Lol

Makes me think of the "founders stacking bodies" meme lol

Nobody is going to do shit. Even peacefully protest

Anger, disbelief, frustration and indignation are feelings that aren't just going to fade.

We know they did it twice in a row, that the supposed Republican BOS giddily certified the fraud, again, and they will keep doing so as long as they remain in their positions, or are appropriately paid off in other ways, as will Rusty Bowers and crewe (until the corrupt old bastard keels over).

Elections are pointless now.  Participating in them just lends them a sense of legitimacy.  Come out in droves, or abstain 100%.  No matter.

This will be resolved either by the people taking back power, or relinquishing it completely, by allowing the fraudulent elections to stand, and continue.