en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas

This is a very interesting link about the "Younger Dryas".  The shift in global climate took between 40 and 50 years (within a person's lifetime) and was due to a change in the gulf stream due to the content of fresh water in the ocean due to melting of the polar icecap.  While the timetable in TDAT is compressed to the extreme, the part about melting icecaps causing the change is fairly accurate.  Attributing the melting to global warming due to cars and industry is not - because there weren't that many cars 13,000 years ago.  The warming was caused by the dust content in the atmostphere - which could easily happen again, due to volcanic activity.

Here's an interesting assessment by someone at NASA, I'm not sure if he is speaking on behalf of NASA or just himself, probably just himself
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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/26/science/26climate.html?hp&ex=1098763200&en=605c36bc367a6ea9&ei=5094&partner=homepage
October 26, 2004
THE ENVIRONMENT

NASA Expert Criticizes Bush on Global Warming Policy
By ANDREW C. REVKIN

A top NASA climate expert who twice briefed Vice President Dick Cheney on global
warming plans to criticize the administration's approach to the issue in a
lecture at the University of Iowa tonight and say that a senior administration
official told him last year not to discuss dangerous consequences of rising
temperatures.

The expert, Dr. James E. Hansen, director of the NASA Goddard Institute for
Space Studies in Manhattan, expects to say that the Bush administration has
ignored growing evidence that sea levels could rise significantly unless prompt
action is taken to reduce heat-trapping emissions from smokestacks and tailpipes.

Many academic scientists, including dozens of Nobel laureates, have been
criticizing the administration over its handling of climate change and other
complex scientific issues. But Dr. Hansen, first in an interview with The New
York Times a week ago and again in his planned lecture today, is the only
leading scientist to speak out so publicly while still in the employ of the
government.

In the talk, Dr. Hansen, who describes himself as "moderately conservative,
middle-of-the-road" and registered in Pennsylvania as an independent, plans to
say that he will vote for Senator John Kerry, while also criticizing some of Mr.
Kerry's positions, particularly his pledge to keep nuclear waste out of Nevada.

He will acknowledge that one of the accolades he has received for his work on
climate change is a $250,000 Heinz Award, given in 2001 by a foundation run by
Teresa Heinz Kerry, Mr. Kerry's wife. The awards are given to people who advance
causes promoted by Senator John Heinz, the Pennsylvania Republican who was Mrs.
Heinz Kerry's first husband.

But in an interview yesterday, Dr. Hansen said he was confident that the award
had had "no impact on my evaluation of the climate problem or on my political
leanings."

In a draft of the talk, a copy of which Dr. Hansen provided to The Times
yesterday, he wrote that President Bush's climate policy, which puts off
consideration of binding cuts in such emissions until 2012, was likely to be too
little too late.

Actions to curtail greenhouse-gas emissions "are not only feasible but make
sense for other reasons, including our economic well-being and national security,"
Dr. Hansen wrote. "Delay of another decade, I argue, is a colossal risk."

In the speech, Dr. Hansen also says that last year, after he gave a presentation
on the dangers of human-caused, or anthropogenic, climate shifts to Sean O'Keefe,
the NASA administrator, "the administrator interrupted me; he told me that I
should not talk about dangerous anthropogenic interference, because we do not
know enough or have enough evidence for what would constitute dangerous
anthropogenic interference."

After conferring with Mr. O'Keefe, Glenn Mahone, the administrator's spokesman,
said Mr. O'Keefe had a completely different recollection of the meeting. "To say
the least, Sean is certain that he did not admonish or even suggest that there
be a throttling back of research efforts" by Dr. Hansen or his team, Mr. Mahone
said.

Dr. Franco Einaudi, director of the NASA Earth Sciences Directorate at the
Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., and Dr. Hansen's supervisor, said
he was at the meeting between Dr. Hansen and Mr. O'Keefe. Dr. Einaudi confirmed
that Mr. O'Keefe had interrupted the presentation to say that these were "delicate
issues" and there was a lot of uncertainty about them. But, he added: "Whether
it is obvious to take that as an order or not is a question of judgment.
Personally, I did not take it as an order."

Dr. John H. Marburger III, the science adviser to the president, said he was not
privy to any exchanges between Dr. Hansen and the administrator of NASA. But he
denied that the White House was playing down the risks posed by climate change.

"President Bush has long recognized the serious implications of climate change,
the role of human activity, and our responsibility to reduce emissions,'' Dr.
Marburger said in an e-mailed statement. "He has put forward a series of policy
initiatives including a commitment to reduce the greenhouse gas intensity of our
economy.''

In the interview yesterday, Dr. Hansen stood by his assertions and said the
administration risked disaster by discouraging scientists from discussing
unwelcome findings.

Dr. Hansen, 63, acknowledged that he imperiled his credibility and perhaps his
job by criticizing Mr. Bush's policies in the final days of a tight presidential
campaign. He said he decided to speak out after months of deliberation because
he was convinced the country needed to change course on climate policy.

Dr. Hansen rose to prominence when, after testifying at a Senate hearing in the
record-warm summer of 1988, he said, "It is time to stop waffling so much and
say the evidence is pretty strong that the greenhouse effect is here."

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

I call BS on the day after tomorrow. Can anyone explain why after being part of a fragmentation event that they did not realize that someting was happening? It took all the disaster for them to figure it out something was wrong. If he was so smart he would have researched why the glacier broke inthe first place. This was a large chunk!! During his report he only mentions the core samples... Maybe its just me.

Quoted: We still haven't had the quinticential SHTF movie.   I wish they would make a movie version of Lucifer's Hammer and not f- it up.

quintessential

I am surprised no one brought up the absurd notion that the US would have to eliminate the Latin American debt so that the US citizens could cross into Mexico for safety.  In the movie the Mexican/US border is closed to the US masses.  My points of contention:

1.  The average Texan is better armed than the Mexican army.
2.  What good is money when the world is in the dumps.
3.  Would any American let a Mexican border guard stand between him and survival.

In all,
the movie was a piece of crap

OMG that was the longest movie ever

***SPOILER!***

i enjoyed the movie somewhat, but i pissed off the guys i went with.  during the travel scene when the guy breaks through the mall roof, i couldn't contain myself.  as one guy pulls out his knife to cut the rope and sacrifice himself, i started yelling to the other guy:

"you're lying next to a rafter!"  

"that's a load-bearing structure!"

" move 1 foot to your right!"

"unless you don't like the guy"

SPLAT!

there's a reason i go see movies alone.  

Quoted: Here's an interesting assessment by someone at NASA, I'm not sure if he is speaking on behalf of NASA or just himself, probably just himself =================================================================================== http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/26/science/26climate.html?hp&ex=1098763200&en=605c36bc367a6ea9&ei=5094&partner=homepage October 26, 2004 THE ENVIRONMENT NASA Expert Criticizes Bush on Global Warming Policy By ANDREW C. REVKIN A top NASA climate expert who twice briefed Vice President Dick Cheney on global warming plans to criticize the administration's approach to the issue in a lecture at the University of Iowa tonight and say that a senior administration official told him last year not to discuss dangerous consequences of rising temperatures. The expert, Dr. James E. Hansen, director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in Manhattan, expects to say that the Bush administration has ignored growing evidence that sea levels could rise significantly unless prompt action is taken to reduce heat-trapping emissions from smokestacks and tailpipes. ...In the talk, Dr. Hansen, who describes himself as "moderately conservative, middle-of-the-road" and registered in Pennsylvania as an independent, plans to say that he will vote for Senator John Kerry, while also criticizing some of Mr. Kerry's positions, particularly his pledge to keep nuclear waste out of Nevada. He will acknowledge that one of the accolades he has received for his work on climate change is a $250,000 Heinz Award, given in 2001 by a foundation run by Teresa Heinz Kerry, Mr. Kerry's wife. The awards are given to people who advance causes promoted by Senator John Heinz, the Pennsylvania Republican who was Mrs. Heinz Kerry's first husband. But in an interview yesterday, Dr. Hansen said he was confident that the award had had "no impact on my evaluation of the climate problem or on my political leanings." Uh huh. A $250,000 bride, er, payoff, I mean "award" had nothing to do with Dr. Hansen's comments and especially the timing of those comments.   ...In a draft of the talk, a copy of which Dr. Hansen provided to The Times yesterday, he wrote that President Bush's climate policy, which puts off consideration of binding cuts in such emissions until 2012, was likely to be too little too late. ...Dr. Hansen, 63, acknowledged that he imperiled his credibility and perhaps his job by criticizing Mr. Bush's policies in the final days of a tight presidential campaign. He said he decided to speak out after months of deliberation because he was convinced the country needed to change course on climate policy. Oh sure, I believe that. This was just the best time for this Kerry supporter to make his point. It had nothing to do with the fact that the election is a week from today. Dr. Hansen rose to prominence when, after testifying at a Senate hearing in the record-warm summer of 1988, he said, "It is time to stop waffling so much and say the evidence is pretty strong that the greenhouse effect is here." Thank you so much for your "unbiased" evaluation Dr. Hansen. And just what do you expect George Bush to do about China's massive fossil fuel emisions, eh Dr. Hansen? The Chinese are contributing far more to the so called "global warming" problem as you put it than the United States is. By far. Perhaps you didn't see those pesky satellite photos taken by...who was it?...oh yeah, NASA. You know Dr. Hansen, those satellite images that show the massive area of pollution and the large carbon dioxide cloud over China? But not to worry, Dr. Hansen. After scientists-with-an-agenda like you are through electing John Kerry, all of that will be rectified. Mr. Kerry will simply resurrect the Kyoto Accord and with his signiture, condemn the US economy to a downward spiral of decline. Oh, but wait a minute Dr. Hansen...China isn't held to the same emission standards as the US? They get a free pass and will be allowed to continue polluting unabated because they're a "developing nation"? Oh I guess it's ok then Dr. Hansen. I'm sure the ozone and that whole global warming...thing will understand "developing nation". After all, their pollution is different than ours.     Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

Better than I expected but not as good as I would have liked it to me. I thought the Ice Age was global. Guess not.

That shit about Mexico closing its border was some serious horseshit... those fuckers all need to die.