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Posted: 9/19/2017 6:10:36 AM EDT
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The best part about being a millennial is being a smug project manager?
I never see any project managers in the boardroom. Maybe I missed them. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 6:20:09 AM EDT
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i'm here, i work as a project manager. i will jump ship at 2-3 years. benefits are the same, minus vesting for 401k. eta: and PMs are a dime a dozen, this isn't a special snowflake thread You will surely go fart chief. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 6:23:47 AM EDT
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I wonder how long until the "why did they fire me and keep all the old guys" thread.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 6:23:59 AM EDT
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Just remember there is a new generation coming up behind you. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 6:29:05 AM EDT
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I don't know what it is with older people not getting how the modern job market works. I remember in another thread here some guy was complaining about "millennials" job hopping and commenting on how that apparently wasn't a "red flag" on applications anymore. I read that and thought "job hopping was a red flag? Huh. News to me." Never even crossed my mind that would be a bad thing on a resume. I guess they're just so used to the days when loyalty to a company still meant something beyond being able to say "I've been here 15 years. Woo." That whole sticking around thing doesn't work anymore. If you want me to stay long term I'd better be getting a raise. No, that's not some young people entitlement mentality. We don't see raises like you old people got "back in the day". Just the way it is. Employers nowadays would rather keep pay low and just replace people as they come out of college instead of having to actually pay existing employees more. We didn't create the system, we're just playing within its rules. I've job hopped around the 18th month mark a few times. Each time it has netted me a $20k raise. Went From $10/hr in 2013 to $100k /yr in 4 years. Also, I'm a project manager |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 6:38:46 AM EDT
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Careful, the first liar doesn't stand a chance.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 6:41:29 AM EDT
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Job hopping as a red flag depends on role.
In many fields, a series of 18 month stints signals all honeymoons and no successful onboardings. I wouldn't hire an operations director who had never survived longer than one true (20 months from planning to audit) budget cycle. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 6:48:30 AM EDT
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Here is a word millennial's will never know. Pension.............
It makes a nice 5k addition per month to the nest egg. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:00:36 AM EDT
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i'm here, i work as a project manager. i will jump ship at 2-3 years. benefits are the same, minus vesting for 401k. eta: and PMs are a dime a dozen, this isn't a special snowflake thread And a boss's job description is a pimp: tell you how special you are, give you the same 3% raise everyone else gets and how you are the top player before he splooges on your face, because his boss is doing the same to him. You need to realize (if you are in IT) you have programmers that are making twice what you are, DBAs making even more. Honestly you have a good start to a career. Jumping ship before your 401 is vested, not smart. You would be better off to do consulting for a while. Jumping ship to ship will come back to haunt you after a while. Consulting, you can jump from one firm to the other and no one will blink. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:02:19 AM EDT
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Millenials have the least responsibility for where this country is right now. Past genorations made millenials who we are. You will pay for that. So will we. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:08:13 AM EDT
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Here is a word millennial's will never know. Pension............. It makes a nice 5k addition per month to the nest egg. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:08:58 AM EDT
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Job hopping as a red flag depends on role. In many fields, a series of 18 month stints signals all honeymoons and no successful onboardings. I wouldn't hire an operations director who had never survived longer than one true (20 months from planning to audit) budget cycle. We are forced to do these panel hiring groups. Usually if it is an entry level and there is some hopping around we count it as trying to find your niche. After that we don't want to pay you to learn our business knowledge to turn around and take it out the door to our competitors in 2 years. To the point of putting a non-compete in front of you first thing in orientation. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:19:00 AM EDT
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OP comes across as a guy that everyone talks about and avoids at work and outside of work. I'm happy you are being paid well. Now, how about getting off your parents tits and get your own place, pay your own car insurance and cell phone bill.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:20:58 AM EDT
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Here is a word millennial's will never know. Pension............. It makes a nice 5k addition per month to the nest egg. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:25:16 AM EDT
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Here is a word millennial's will never know. Pension........... |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:25:58 AM EDT
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People should be in charge of their own retirement. Never saw how companies thought it was a good idea to pay people after they retired. They are no longer producing anything for the company. To me, the bigger problem is not the pensions, it's the medical costs at the end of life. The vast majority of medical bills incurred in an average person's lifetime are incurred in the last two years of life as 80+ year-olds try to desperately cling to life at any price instead of accepting death as a natural part of life. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:27:00 AM EDT
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OP sounds alot like the young guys in my CNC TECH class I T.A. in they give the old timer machinists a hard time (including me) who cant draw on CAD software as fast as they can or set up CNC as fast as they can. They are quick at pushing buttons on the CNC and at drawing on CAD I will give them that. One day they were running their parts on the CNC, I went behind each machine and threw the master power switches sw and yelled out POWER FAILURE! handed them blue prints and said move to the manual machines and make this part, holy shit what a shit show. Half couldnt read the prints, all of them couldnt set up a manual lathe or mill much less run one. My professor was like you are such dick..I said I know
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:30:34 AM EDT
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This is NOT a humble brag thread.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:31:21 AM EDT
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The best part about being a millennial is being a smug project manager? I never see any project managers in the boardroom. Maybe I missed them. And as others have said pay doesn't mean shit - another thing millenials learn - title doesn't mean shit. I know a bunch of smug assholes with muh vp title who are no more than entry level because no one gives 2 fucks what they say. My title is biz dev manager however I drive the entire direction of 3/4s of a 60MM company and have the ear of the board and ownership. I once learned walk lightly and carry a big stick. You earn a lot of respect that way. Happy to have learned that by 32 |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:31:49 AM EDT
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I'm a PM and a bunch of my staff makes more than me.
Young trained folks I can replace all day long, including myself. It's the "I need 10-15 years of direct experience" types that cause pain when they leave. Also, I got a raise when I got promoted and now that I'm in charge and that raise is part of my financials, I almost wish I hadn't gotten it. Almost. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:32:19 AM EDT
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did OP's mom forget to wake him up?
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:34:55 AM EDT
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Good for you.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:35:52 AM EDT
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If my life had such little meaning I had to brag about my job on a gun board to people I have never met to feel accomplishment I would feel very empty.
Hope you enjoy having no friends OP |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:38:34 AM EDT
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OP sounds alot like the young guys in my CNC TECH class I T.A. in they give the old timer machinists a hard time (including me) who cant draw on CAD software as fast as they can or set up CNC as fast as they can. They are quick at pushing buttons on the CNC and at drawing on CAD I will give them that. One day they were running their parts on the CNC, I went behind each machine and threw the master power switches sw and yelled out POWER FAILURE! handed them blue prints and said move to the manual machines and make this part, holy shit what a shit show. Half couldnt read the prints, all of them couldnt set up a manual lathe or mill much less run one. My professor was like you are such dick..I said I know 
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:42:39 AM EDT
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tell them, "the power doesn't come back on until you can correctly machine these parts manually." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP sounds alot like the young guys in my CNC TECH class I T.A. in they give the old timer machinists a hard time (including me) who cant draw on CAD software as fast as they can or set up CNC as fast as they can. They are quick at pushing buttons on the CNC and at drawing on CAD I will give them that. One day they were running their parts on the CNC, I went behind each machine and threw the master power switches sw and yelled out POWER FAILURE! handed them blue prints and said move to the manual machines and make this part, holy shit what a shit show. Half couldnt read the prints, all of them couldnt set up a manual lathe or mill much less run one. My professor was like you are such dick..I said I know 
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:50:14 AM EDT
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Here is a word millennial's will never know. Pension............. It makes a nice 5k addition per month to the nest egg. Personally, I'll take a decent 401k match with low ER investment options over a pension any day of the week. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:51:54 AM EDT
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I predict a "Should I eject because I think my wife is fucking around on me" thread in the OP's future. I'm sure your future in laws will adore you as well.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:54:08 AM EDT
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Good for you. Now, buy a car (please learn to drive first), get married, buy a house and have kids. Welcome to the world of adults. Finally.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:55:29 AM EDT
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good. Now you can afford a case for all of your participation trophys |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:57:59 AM EDT
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Here is a word millennial's will never know. Pension............. It makes a nice 5k addition per month to the nest egg. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:04:26 AM EDT
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This LOL. I'm a millennial and thought I was cool when I was a project manager. That was a shit job where I simply executed others needs. And as others have said pay doesn't mean shit - another thing millenials learn - title doesn't mean shit. I know a bunch of smug assholes with muh vp title who are no more than entry level because no one gives 2 fucks what they say. My title is biz dev manager however I drive the entire direction of 3/4s of a 60MM company and have the ear of the board and ownership. I once learned walk lightly and carry a big stick. You earn a lot of respect that way. Happy to have learned that by 32
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:08:41 AM EDT
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it was not as big a problem when (a) retirees generally lived for 8, maybe 10 years after retirement, and (b) the number of workers was greater than the number of retirees. It helped to reduce employee turnover, gave an excuse to keep pay lower than market "because we have a great pension!" Now, with people retiring at 65-67 and living to 90, and with the large Baby Boomer generation retiring, and a ZIRP environment, it's killing pensions. To me, the bigger problem is not the pensions, it's the medical costs at the end of life. The vast majority of medical bills incurred in an average person's lifetime are incurred in the last two years of life as 80+ year-olds try to desperately cling to life at any price instead of accepting death as a natural part of life. I plan on retiring officially in my 50s and working something very low stress to stay busy. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:11:36 AM EDT
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lol at retiring at 65-67 I plan on retiring officially in my 50s and working something very low stress to stay busy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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it was not as big a problem when (a) retirees generally lived for 8, maybe 10 years after retirement, and (b) the number of workers was greater than the number of retirees. It helped to reduce employee turnover, gave an excuse to keep pay lower than market "because we have a great pension!" Now, with people retiring at 65-67 and living to 90, and with the large Baby Boomer generation retiring, and a ZIRP environment, it's killing pensions. To me, the bigger problem is not the pensions, it's the medical costs at the end of life. The vast majority of medical bills incurred in an average person's lifetime are incurred in the last two years of life as 80+ year-olds try to desperately cling to life at any price instead of accepting death as a natural part of life. I plan on retiring officially in my 50s and working something very low stress to stay busy. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:20:18 AM EDT
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Good job OP, makes lots and pay your taxes as I start drawing a pension at 44 and we need more like you to keep the money flowing.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:21:53 AM EDT
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awe... junior has the bull by the horns... gonna take on this big bad world and win... way to go junior... so proud of you, you're the best ever
that's what you needed right? Kinda what you grew up with.... reality is nobody gives a shit what you make, besides you... what a tool |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:22:43 AM EDT
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coming into a job and making more than people who've been there for like 10-20 years lmaooo muh loyalty Time served doesn't automatically equal more pay dude. That entire concept is some bullshit the liberals came up with. And it's completely fucking wrong. Join a union if you want your pay based on arbitrary bullshit instead of merit. Grats on your salary tho. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:27:21 AM EDT
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Nice keep working for my retirement, its really nice that you do.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:35:41 AM EDT
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The best project managers out there are the ones with spectacular people skills. They often have huge responsibility but little direct authority.
The posts from the OP don't indicate spectacular people skills. Save that paycheck, OP. Sounds like you'll need it when you're between jobs. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:38:14 AM EDT
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The best project managers out there are the ones with spectacular people skills. They often have huge responsibility but little direct authority. The posts from the OP don't indicate spectacular people skills. Save that paycheck, OP. Sounds like you'll need it when you're between jobs. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:38:41 AM EDT
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Yeah, that happened to my mom. She was pretty pissed when she found out the new hires she was training made more money than her (she worked there 20 years).
In America it's taboo to discuss compensation, but if people did companies wouldn't have the upper hand to play these kind of games. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:40:40 AM EDT
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Not buying condoms?
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:40:54 AM EDT
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Go write in your feelings journal now
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:41:42 AM EDT
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coming into a job and making more than people who've been there for like 10-20 years lmaooo muh loyalty thats the best part? thats fucking sad |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:42:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:48:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:50:05 AM EDT
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shit, most Gen Xers won't know it either. Pensions are dying off, even for cops and teachers. Boomers are the last generation to enjoy that ride. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here is a word millennial's will never know. Pension............. It makes a nice 5k addition per month to the nest egg. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:50:28 AM EDT
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Leaving the company before your 401K is vested is a brilliant move. I bet your pretty good at leaving money on the table. Get a lift kit on the brodozer. I'm also a millennial!
I'm was smart enough to stay away from the PM route, so I got raises without leaving the company 
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:52:02 AM EDT
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I'm 32 and OP is still a loser.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:54:52 AM EDT
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I made good money also before I retired...........I never felt it funny that people were making far less than I was at work.
Why is that funny to you? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:55:38 AM EDT
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The professor got an angry worded email from one of their moms about how its unrealistic that they would have to make the part manually and that in a REAL machine shop not all CNCs would go down at the same time Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP sounds alot like the young guys in my CNC TECH class I T.A. in they give the old timer machinists a hard time (including me) who cant draw on CAD software as fast as they can or set up CNC as fast as they can. They are quick at pushing buttons on the CNC and at drawing on CAD I will give them that. One day they were running their parts on the CNC, I went behind each machine and threw the master power switches sw and yelled out POWER FAILURE! handed them blue prints and said move to the manual machines and make this part, holy shit what a shit show. Half couldnt read the prints, all of them couldnt set up a manual lathe or mill much less run one. My professor was like you are such dick..I said I know
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