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Posted: 12/13/2013 4:58:23 AM EDT
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Page 2 please
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Posted: 12/13/2013 4:59:45 AM EDT
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This. Beating down on some shitbag should not get you 10 years, it should get you a medal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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judge in that guy's story is a gigantic dick. This. Beating down on some shitbag should not get you 10 years, it should get you a medal. Not going to say the judge wasn't a dick about sentencing, but brandishing in a bar and forcing people to get down on the floor isn't something you overlook (or get a medal for  )
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Posted: 12/13/2013 5:11:38 AM EDT
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Based on the responses I estimate that maybe 25% of the commentors in this thread watched the entire video.
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Posted: 12/13/2013 5:16:37 AM EDT
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But what if I was in Iraq for pleasure instead of for work?  That means I'm OK, right?Errr ... um ... was a certain donkey with three legs that we called "Tripod" involved in said pleasure? 
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Posted: 12/13/2013 5:18:25 AM EDT
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Guy had PTSD issues, VA gave him sleep meds and said come back in six months, later the guy goes apeshit and is armed/ beats a guy badly in a bar fight, 10 years in prison. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Summary for those of us too busy to watch the video? Guy had PTSD issues, VA gave him sleep meds and said come back in six months, later the guy goes apeshit and is armed/ beats a guy badly in a bar fight, 10 years in prison. Con Air? |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 5:19:13 AM EDT
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Has anyone ever thought that vets are fed the same stuff over and over to think "Man I should be fucked up because I spent a year in Iraq/Afghanistan!"? It seems like that's just generally expected from us these days, and it doesn't make much sense to me. This. They say we're a threat so I must be wrong if I think otherwise. |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 5:23:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2013 5:24:18 AM EDT
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I have no doubt he'll be back to prison one day, courtesy of his inability to take responsibility for his actions. These assholes make life harder for everyone else.
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Posted: 12/13/2013 5:30:49 AM EDT
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Holy shit... I watched that whole video and I only have one thing to say... SUCK IT UP NANCY! Put your big boy pants on and quit fucking whining.  +1 And his incident probably would have gone over better if didn't beat the crap out the guy AFTER he disarmed him and INFRONT of witnesses. Good judgment, how does it work. |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 5:31:43 AM EDT
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What about if you went to Iraq as a civilian? Do we still count?
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Posted: 12/13/2013 5:32:27 AM EDT
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yeah, but we're old and crippled up with old wounds, arthritis, diabetic neuropathy, .....and pissed, cranky, aggravated, and have little left to lose... .
The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave." --Patrick Henry AMEN Chef. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sure glad Nam vets are off the hook. We would explode at The drop of a pin. That's how you are still viewed by them I am sure!  yeah, but we're old and crippled up with old wounds, arthritis, diabetic neuropathy, .....and pissed, cranky, aggravated, and have little left to lose... .
The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave." --Patrick Henry AMEN Chef. We maybe old but we are not toothless. 
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Posted: 12/13/2013 5:32:28 AM EDT
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What about if you went to Iraq as a civilian? Do we still count? You're just greedy, probably a capitalist out for money. You are your own form of threat. |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 5:36:56 AM EDT
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You're damn right I'm a threat.
To tyranny.
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Posted: 12/13/2013 5:46:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on the responses I estimate that maybe 25% of the commentors in this thread watched the entire video.  |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 5:46:28 AM EDT
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I watched the video. Guy isn't a threat to society he just came out of the war at a bad time when people with the issues he has weren't getting the right attention.
He's not a threat to society, he just needs a hand. Also not going to call him a Nancy. The government should be worried about us though. We've learned a couple things playing in the sandbox and we don't take kindly to tyrants. |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 5:50:58 AM EDT
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I went to Afghanistan am I threat? I can give a HECK of a dirty look to a slow DFAC server
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Posted: 12/13/2013 5:51:59 AM EDT
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I'm just pissed it's so hard to find Iraqi babies to eat in Merica.
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Posted: 12/13/2013 5:56:24 AM EDT
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They can't have vets who can do coordinated area denial defending their neighborhood against gimmedat looters in the event of civil disorder. That would be unfair.  I don't think that is what they are worried about. |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 6:07:52 AM EDT
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The tyrants should be very afraid but the general public has nothing to worry about. Now shitbags in the general public that is another story.
I wonder what they think about the guys who have 6-10 deployments??
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Posted: 12/13/2013 6:18:45 AM EDT
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I'm just pissed it's so hard to find Iraqi babies to eat in Merica. check amazon.com...free shipping for bulk orders..
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Posted: 12/13/2013 6:20:49 AM EDT
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You and the gun store you work at are a threat to my wallet
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Sweet, I always wanted to be a threat |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 6:21:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: check amazon.com...free shipping for bulk orders.. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm just pissed it's so hard to find Iraqi babies to eat in Merica. check amazon.com...free shipping for bulk orders.. Thats right & its Murica not Merica  |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 6:29:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Based on the responses I estimate that maybe 25% of the commentors in this thread watched the entire video. I wasn't endorsing the video, just commenting that it was obvious by the comments that quite a few posters did not watch the vid. |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 6:30:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think that is what they are worried about. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They can't have vets who can do coordinated area denial defending their neighborhood against gimmedat looters in the event of civil disorder. That would be unfair. I don't think that is what they are worried about.  |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 6:32:08 AM EDT
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And every Marine is a........potential Presidential Killer? No Way Jose.
Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 6:32:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: I was one & thought it wasn't a good thing, I have never liked using NG & AR Units for deployment, although his circumstance never came out. I didn't like the fact that he was being used for some seminar or similar & having him stand up there & pout. Quoted: Quoted: Based on the responses I estimate that maybe 25% of the commentors in this thread watched the entire video. I wasn't endorsing the video, just commenting that it was obvious by the comments that quite a few posters did not watch the vid. I know what you meant, they never do if its over 90seconds. |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 6:33:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We maybe old but we are not toothless. http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa170/72coupe/JULYMATCH013.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sure glad Nam vets are off the hook. We would explode at The drop of a pin. That's how you are still viewed by them I am sure! yeah, but we're old and crippled up with old wounds, arthritis, diabetic neuropathy, .....and pissed, cranky, aggravated, and have little left to lose... .The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave." --Patrick Henry AMEN Chef. We maybe old but we are not toothless. http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa170/72coupe/JULYMATCH013.jpg Five 70 year old VN vets who are ok with not seeing their families again could wreak lot more havoc than ten 25 year old vets who want to see their kids grow up.
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Posted: 12/13/2013 6:33:54 AM EDT
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Duh. The folks who went to the sand box are now very fluent in insurgency tactics. If I were a despotic president, I'd be afraid of them too. Mostly this. |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 6:34:32 AM EDT
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This guy was crazy before he joined the Army. MILLIONS of people have gone to combat and NOT murdered people after they came home
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Posted: 12/13/2013 6:35:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was one & thought it wasn't a good thing, I have never liked using NG & AR Units for deployment, although his circumstance never came out. I didn't like the fact that he was being used for some seminar or similar & having him stand up there & pout. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was one & thought it wasn't a good thing, I have never liked using NG & AR Units for deployment, although his circumstance never came out. I didn't like the fact that he was being used for some seminar or similar & having him stand up there & pout. Quoted: Quoted: Based on the responses I estimate that maybe 25% of the commentors in this thread watched the entire video. I wasn't endorsing the video, just commenting that it was obvious by the comments that quite a few posters did not watch the vid. I know what you meant, they never do if its over 90seconds. |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 6:38:36 AM EDT
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Lots of vets are ending up in prison. Guys who had problems prior to deployment and that just exacerbated their mental illness, and others who developed it while over there. They get out after their contract because they hate the service, but never took advantage of the opportunities.
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Posted: 12/13/2013 6:40:05 AM EDT
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I suspect that time spent in Chicago makes one a far greater threat to society.
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Posted: 12/13/2013 6:42:32 AM EDT
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Does that mean I'm three times a normal threat? Holy shit, you're a ticking time bomb... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 6:51:48 AM EDT
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A threat to society, or to the status quo? ding ding ding, winner! TXL |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 7:01:26 AM EDT
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In arfcom fashion, people ignore the OP and babble on about their own shit.
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Posted: 12/13/2013 7:04:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In arfcom fashion, people ignore the OP and babble on about their own shit. |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 7:10:43 AM EDT
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I have often thought that. I struggled with it when I came home after OIF II, everybody was making this big deal like I should be traumatized, I got to thinking that something was wrong with me because I wasn't all F'd up.
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Posted: 12/13/2013 7:14:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have often thought that. I struggled with it when I came home after OIF II, everybody was making this big deal like I should be traumatized, I got to thinking that something was wrong with me because I wasn't all F'd up.  |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 7:17:25 AM EDT
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Everyone is a threat. The .Gov is a paranoid girlfriend or ex girlfriend. Exactly. The .gov is the king of tin-foil. |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 2:17:07 PM EDT
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Five 70 year old VN vets who are ok with not seeing their families again could wreak lot more havoc than ten 25 year old vets who want to see their kids grow up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sure glad Nam vets are off the hook. We would explode at The drop of a pin. That's how you are still viewed by them I am sure! yeah, but we're old and crippled up with old wounds, arthritis, diabetic neuropathy, .....and pissed, cranky, aggravated, and have little left to lose... .
The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave." --Patrick Henry AMEN Chef. We maybe old but we are not toothless. http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa170/72coupe/JULYMATCH013.jpg Five 70 year old VN vets who are ok with not seeing their families again could wreak lot more havoc than ten 25 year old vets who want to see their kids grow up. damn straight....  if we could only remember where we left our car keys, we'd march on DC tomorrow and straighten these SOB's out PDQ..
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Posted: 12/13/2013 2:33:10 PM EDT
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Shit bag. I would bet this was not his first run in with the law, man the fuck up.
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Posted: 12/13/2013 2:36:22 PM EDT
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Good thing there is a whole generation of us that never went to Iraq
College of Stan class of '11 and '12
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Posted: 12/13/2013 3:09:23 PM EDT
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Iraq made me a menace in the hood.
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Posted: 12/13/2013 3:16:45 PM EDT
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Skipped to the end, where he was sentenced to 10 years in prison. I spent 12 months in Iraq and I really don't use it as an exuse to hurt anybody. This. Making excuses for his behavior. IMHO, guys who were violent assholes after deployment usually were violent assholes before deployment. |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 3:19:11 PM EDT
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But I'm just a fobbit. I'm only a threat to facebook, porn and drain babies. 
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Posted: 12/13/2013 3:22:40 PM EDT
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Con Air? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Summary for those of us too busy to watch the video? Guy had PTSD issues, VA gave him sleep meds and said come back in six months, later the guy goes apeshit and is armed/ beats a guy badly in a bar fight, 10 years in prison. Con Air? In Con Air he had only gone to Ranger School. PTSD from a schoolhouse environment? |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 3:24:58 PM EDT
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/12/army-veteran-recalls-the-unforgettable-moment-when-a-judge-told-him-your-time-in-iraq-makes-you-a-threat-to-society/
Chambers’ problems culminated when he pulled his pistol on someone after a knife was drawn during a night out drinking. He says he made sure everyone was on the ground then took the knife from the man and “beat him.” He was later arrested for attempted murder and other criminal charges, some of which he denies committing. He said he’ll never forget what the judge said to him during his sentencing: “Mr. Chambers, you’re service is a double edged sword. Your time in Iraq makes you a threat to society and I have a civil obligation to lock you up.” He got 10 years in prison. Towards the end of the video, Chambers pleas with his audience to find a veteran and talk to them. “A lot of us just need someone to talk to,” he said. Judge's statement was stupid, but I'm not feeling much sympathy here. Controlled the situation, and then chose to try to beat the guy to death after he had him under control? He also sounds like somebody had issues well before the military and is trying to find an excuse for his behavior. But I guess I remembered to turn my rage back in at CIF when I EASed. I did have some rage issued at the battalion level that wasn't on my property card, but I've got that secured in an ammo can someplace in case I ever have to go and AVENGE! someone. |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 3:25:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: damn straight.... if we could only remember where we left our car keys, we'd march on DC tomorrow and straighten these SOB's out PDQ..Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Five 70 year old VN vets who are ok with not seeing their families again could wreak lot more havoc than ten 25 year old vets who want to see their kids grow up. damn straight.... if we could only remember where we left our car keys, we'd march on DC tomorrow and straighten these SOB's out PDQ.. Didya check the front door? |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 3:27:31 PM EDT
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I was a threat before I even went
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Posted: 12/13/2013 3:31:57 PM EDT
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Heck, I was a threat to society LONG before I went to Iraq.
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