[ARCHIVED THREAD] - You know the people who study and try to find old civilizations aren't that bright. (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/30/2023 10:34:26 PM EDT
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So these group of clowns claim that oh you know 10,000BC is like when modern civilization started. Oh really? Yeah you say that now because we found shit like Gobleiki Teppi. But guess what brainacs. How about you bunch of geniuses overlay sea level rise in accordance to land elevation. Look at sea level further back than 10,000 BC  just go back 12,000 years ago and the fuckin sea is 120 feet lower than today. You really think people were like...naw dog fuck all that, I ain't living by the coast.where food is plentiful and easy to get. Look at this shit. 
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Quoted: "People" have been around for +100,000 years The start of "civilization" is a moving target One of the oldest stories in existence, The Epic of Gilgamesh contains references to older civilizations. Because funnily enough, according to the archeological record. There were several civilizations that proceeded the one that wrote down that story. "There are those who say that Rome wasn't built in a day. To them I say, it took only a trumpet to bring down the walls of Jericho!" |
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Quoted: One of the oldest stories in existence, The Epic of Gilgamesh contains references to older civilizations. Because funnily enough, according to the archeological record. There were several civilizations that proceeded the one that wrote down that story. The only place that I remember hearing that story;  |
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I think that what @OP is trying to get at, is that the ocean has obliterated the most likely locations where early civilizations would have built cities. And where we have built cities is different because the water routing is pretty different due to different climates. So there's plenty of place that archaeologists haven't looked, or the signs of early cities were not seen or ignored. I think we could be on our 3rd or 4th go-around on advanced civilization, if not more. |
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Quoted: One of the oldest stories in existence, The Epic of Gilgamesh contains references to older civilizations. Because funnily enough, according to the archeological record. There were several civilizations that proceeded the one that wrote down that story. "There are those who say that Rome wasn't built in a day. To them I say, it took only a trumpet to bring down the walls of Jericho!" Wouldn't surprise me one bit |
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Quoted: I think that what @OP is trying to get at, is that the ocean has obliterated the most likely locations where early civilizations would have built cities. And where we have built cities is different because the water routing is pretty different due to different climates. So there's plenty of place that archaeologists haven't looked, or the signs of early cities were not seen or ignored. I think we could be on our 3rd or 4th go-around on advanced civilization, if not more. I used to like the idea of previous attempts at advanced civilization being wiped out. Atlantis or Lemuria or even really wacky ideas like Mu. Then I became familar with how minerals are deposited in geologic layers. In the right places, with the right instruments we can find layers of dust that were made when the dinosaurs died. When people started using leaded gas and atomic weapons and everything in between. If earlier civilizations had any kind of advanced tech then it was probably some kind of new age crystal power that runs off concepts that we just don't understand these days. Oh and they developed it straight from tribal societies. They didn't need an Industrial Revolution. As for the idea that there might be undiscovered archeological sites underwater. Yes, certainly. We stumble upon them from time to time. Underwater archeology is quite interesting but also difficult and expensive. |
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I know not everyone has an eye for the 0.87% of >35BMI chicks that won’t put out and avoiding them, or which 15 year old Chargers, Magnums, and Chrysler 300s are perfect for a quick flip at their buy here/finance here business, But mankind could eat that loss to culture if you would consider getting your Ph.D. In History, Classics, or Anthropology and bringing your true gifts to humanity. |
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Quoted: So these group of clowns claim that oh you know 10,000BC is like when modern civilization started. Oh really? Yeah you say that now because we found shit like Gobleiki Teppi. But guess what brainacs. How about you bunch of geniuses overlay sea level rise in accordance to land elevation. Look at sea level further back than 10,000 BC https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png/800px-Post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png just go back 12,000 years ago and the fuckin sea is 120 feet lower than today. You really think people were like...naw dog fuck all that, I ain't living by the coast.where food is plentiful and easy to get. Look at this shit. https://www.donsmaps.com/images30/britainshorelineiceageimg269sm.jpg So you are saying climate change is real and the sea levels are rising? |
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Quoted: just go back 12,000 years ago and the fuckin sea is 120 feet lower than today. You really think people were like...naw dog fuck all that, I ain't living by the coast.where food is plentiful and easy to get. Right. So why do the hard work and accept the power hierarchy that civilization requires when you can have a clambake every night after a few hours gathering. |
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Quoted: I know not everyone has an eye for the 0.87% of >35BMI chicks that won’t put out and avoiding them, or which 15 year old Chargers, Magnums, and Chrysler 300s are perfect for a quick flip at their buy here/finance here business, But mankind could eat that loss to culture if you would consider getting your Ph.D. In History, Classics, or Anthropology and bringing your true gifts to humanity. Attached File |
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Quoted: I think that what @OP is trying to get at, is that the ocean has obliterated the most likely locations where early civilizations would have built cities. And where we have built cities is different because the water routing is pretty different due to different climates. So there's plenty of place that archaeologists haven't looked, or the signs of early cities were not seen or ignored. I think we could be on our 3rd or 4th go-around on advanced civilization, if not more. Could very well be the case, but until such older civilizations are found, 10,000 will be the earliest known civilization. I that word is included in scientific papers on the subject. |
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Quoted: So you are saying climate change is real and the sea levels are rising?  Bill Cosby - Noah |
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Quoted: I know not everyone has an eye for the 0.87% of >35BMI chicks that won’t put out and avoiding them, or which 15 year old Chargers, Magnums, and Chrysler 300s are perfect for a quick flip at their buy here/finance here business, But mankind could eat that loss to culture if you would consider getting your Ph.D. In History, Classics, or Anthropology and bringing your true gifts to humanity. Holy shit dude. You weren't fucking around when you said you had no filter and no fucks to give. That was brutal. 
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| Well, let's see. First the earth cooled. And then the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat, so they all died and they turned into oil. And then the Arabs came and they bought Mercedes Benzes. And Prince Charles started wearing all of Lady Di's clothes. I couldn't believe it. |
| I can handle the concept of ancient advanced civilizations, as long as those civilizations were about Bronze Age level or less. Our Bronze Age civilizations had bad luck, possibly from the invasions of the Sea People, and possibly high earthquake activity and yes, "climate change". Who knows what Bronze Age civilizations could have developed if they had lasted centuries longer than the ones we are familiar with. They might possibly have sailed and mapped the entire globe accurately. |
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Quoted: I think that what @OP is trying to get at, is that the ocean has obliterated the most likely locations where early civilizations would have built cities. And where we have built cities is different because the water routing is pretty different due to different climates. So there's plenty of place that archaeologists haven't looked, or the signs of early cities were not seen or ignored. I think we could be on our 3rd or 4th go-around on advanced civilization, if not more. Attached File Midcap, ever watch the Why Files ? |
| They're always working on expanding our knowledge of the distant past. Everything below the water was cut off from exploration until modern technology allowed them to look there. Any civilization that predates the last ice age was ground to dust by mile thick ice sheets |
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Quoted: Atlantis? I don't think it's coincidence that the date Plato/Solon give for Atlantis' destruction corresponds to the second meltwater pulse leading into the Holocene. Agriculture seems to have taken off as soon as the climate stabilized enough, after the megafauna extinctions. Those early coastal "civilizations" probably revolved around fishing. We know there was a lot more ice in the northern hemisphere for most of the Quaternary because the Arctic and North Atlantic basins were full of fresh meltwater until the ice retreated across the grounding line that runs across from Britain to Iceland about 100,000 years ago...about 1000' of water now, would take nearly that much ice to ground it then even with the water levels much lower. |
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Quoted: Well, let's see. First the earth cooled. And then the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat, so they all died and they turned into oil. And then the Arabs came and they bought Mercedes Benzes. And Prince Charles started wearing all of Lady Di's clothes. I couldn't believe it. Attached File |
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What's always intrigued me is the Sphinx. Current age estimates from Egyptologists is 5000 years old. Geologists who examined the weathering have shown there is water erosion on the surrounding area. The last time there was waster in the Nile valley was at the end of the ice age. Were the pyramid's built there because the Sphinx was already there? The Sphinx was originally a lion before its head was re-carved is a common accepted idea. If so, was it placed looking at the constellation Leo? Last time it aligned with Leo was 20,000 years ago. Will we ever really know our history? Another interesting thing is almost every religion and culture has an old stories and myths of gigantic floods. There is some truth to stories that are passed down. |
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Underwater archaeology is the answer. My dad and I volunteered for the State of North Carolina as underwater archaeologists. One of the sites we surveyed was a settlement in the Pungo River named Woodstock. It was one of the earliest colonial settlements in NC. It is under a few feet of water now. So even a few hundred years of rising water can erase a settlement. It was a miserable pair of dives. The first time we went the water was zero visibility and full of jellyfish. I can a still feel the tentacles sliding across my neck in the darkness stinging me mercilessly. We went back during the winter when the water was clear (ish) and had a close call with a crab boat. We were underwater and swimming along the bottom at about six feet of depth when we heard him coming. We both glanced down at our depth gauges saw we were in six feet of water and simultaneously dumped the air from our BCs to go fully negative and suck mud. I rarely had any visibility in the inland waterways of coastal NC but that day I could easily make out the outboard prop churning straight at us. I flattened my head on the bottom and instinctively covered it with my arms. My dad did the same. The boat went right over us, the prop less than 3 feet above us. And yes, we had a dive flag on our boat anchored less than 50 feet away. We decided it was time to go after that. |
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Quoted: I can handle the concept of ancient advanced civilizations, as long as those civilizations were about Bronze Age level or less. Our Bronze Age civilizations had bad luck, possibly from the invasions of the Sea People, and possibly high earthquake activity and yes, "climate change". Who knows what Bronze Age civilizations could have developed if they had lasted centuries longer than the ones we are familiar with. They might possibly have sailed and mapped the entire globe accurately. Nobody, at least nobody sane, is claiming they had anything like modern technology. But someone definitely mapped most of the atlantic shores before the current ice covered antarctica. |
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Quoted: The only place that I remember hearing that story; https://i.postimg.cc/d00rbwH3/Temba_His_Arms_Wide.jpg Never noticed he had uncircumcised thumbs. |