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Posted: 7/1/2008 4:56:17 AM EDT

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I really hope the legislator really does get arrested. It would be damn nice to see one of them stand up for something.

rr

+1 It is good to finally see supposed statesmen stand up for what they believe in and put their ass on the line as a test case instead of throwing up their hands and proclaiming "I did my part when I passed the law, you deal with it".

I met Tim Bearden the morning that he introduced the bill(HB89) in the Georgia Legislature. He took the time to thank every last one of us that showed up at the capitol for showing up. He's a former LEO, and a stand-up guy.

This does not surprise me a bit that he is walking the walk.

He has GCO (Georgiacarry.org) and ARFCOMMER DKing backing him up today.

Posted: 7/1/2008 5:00:28 AM EDT

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Since when can an airport manager order a cop to arrest anybody for anything?

Posted: 7/1/2008 5:01:39 AM EDT

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MARTA bus drivers gathered more than 1,000 signatures on petitions demanding bullet proof shields.

Where does one sign up for one of these bulletproof shields exactly???? and do I get an axe, mace or a sword to go with it? and can I get one of those helmets with the pointy things on it? Why have they not requested these magic bullet proof shields in Transportation fields across the nation? I mean, we all know honest law biding citizens run around breaking laws shooting decent people all the time.

We have something similar out here in OR as well, another gun, oops, I mean CHL free zone at our airport, just waiting for a test case with deep pockets to put those MF'ers in their place. Wait, I forgot, most of that City is like that too. Not exactly 2A friendly.

BT

I work for MARTA in the rail department (not a driver), the Union is whipping up the hysteria and most of the membership is just sheeping right along with them The CEO and the Union bosses are straight Obama minions and just as anti-gun.

I was openly mocking them this morning going from train to train yelling "Holy shit! rivers of blood! Wyatt Earp has risen from the grave to get in on this wild west shoot out! Get mops and buckets!

Fucktards, they are.

Posted: 7/1/2008 5:02:50 AM EDT

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If I had the money and time, I might be willing to be the test case on this one.

Odd that Florida has had this law at least for the 6 years I've been carrying concealed, and we don't have airport shootouts.

Their has never been a Commercial Airport shootout on U.S. soil in the history of this country. Even criminals aren't that stupid.

2002 May 22nd. - USA, New Orleans International Airport: a 43-year-old former US Marine from Florida opened fire with a shotgun on people near a Southwest Airlines ticket counter, killing one person and injuring another. With no security forces present, two bystanders prevented further bloodshed by wrestling the assailant to the ground. Only one shot was fired, but the attacker still had 15 shells in his pockets.

2002 July 4th. USA, California, Los Angeles Airport, Tom Bradley International Terminal: a 41-year-old Egyptian national, a legal resident of Southern California, armed with a .45-caliber handgun, a 9 mm handgun, a 6-inch knife, and extra ammunition opened fire at the El Al ticket counter; 3 people (including the attacker) died and 4 others were injured. The assailant was confronted and fatally shot by an armed El Al security officer. No evidence was found that linked the gunman to any terrorist group. Investigators concluded that he was driven by a number of personal factors ranging depression caused by a failing business and a suffering marriage and hatred against Jews.

Posted: 7/1/2008 5:07:12 AM EDT

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If I had the money and time, I might be willing to be the test case on this one.

Odd that Florida has had this law at least for the 6 years I've been carrying concealed, and we don't have airport shootouts.

Their has never been a Commercial Airport shootout on U.S. soil in the history of this country. Even criminals aren't that stupid.

Actually, there was an incident of "Sudden Jihad Syndrome" a few years ago. An Egyptian killed a couple of people at the El Al counter before he was shot by an armed guard employed by El Al. Tell you what, if I am standing at a ticket counter outside the "secure" (right!) area, and some guy starts shooting, I don't want to bet my life on the presence of a hired guard.

archives.cnn.com/2002/US/07/04/la.airport.shooting/

Posted: 7/1/2008 5:08:09 AM EDT

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somebody's gonna blink

Posted: 7/1/2008 5:08:28 AM EDT

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New gun law sets stage for airport showdown

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Airport General Manager Ben DeCosta said if Bearden shows up at the world's busiest airport with a gun, he'll be busted.

"I can identify him, and I'll have him arrested," DeCosta said Monday. "We're not fooling around. This is a post-terrorism environment."

Whenever you hear these words you know they're being used to justify a violation of rights.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!

And I bet these are the same douchebags that bitch and moan about it when it comes from the President.

TXL

Posted: 7/1/2008 5:10:13 AM EDT

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If I had the money and time, I might be willing to be the test case on this one.

Odd that Florida has had this law at least for the 6 years I've been carrying concealed, and we don't have airport shootouts.

Their has never been a Commercial Airport shootout on U.S. soil in the history of this country. Even criminals aren't that stupid.

2002 May 22nd. - USA, New Orleans International Airport: a 43-year-old former US Marine from Florida opened fire with a shotgun on people near a Southwest Airlines ticket counter, killing one person and injuring another. With no security forces present, two bystanders prevented further bloodshed by wrestling the assailant to the ground. Only one shot was fired, but the attacker still had 15 shells in his pockets.

2002 July 4th. USA, California, Los Angeles Airport, Tom Bradley International Terminal: a 41-year-old Egyptian national, a legal resident of Southern California, armed with a .45-caliber handgun, a 9 mm handgun, a 6-inch knife, and extra ammunition opened fire at the El Al ticket counter; 3 people (including the attacker) died and 4 others were injured. The assailant was confronted and fatally shot by an armed El Al security officer. No evidence was found that linked the gunman to any terrorist group. Investigators concluded that he was driven by a number of personal factors ranging depression caused by a failing business and a suffering marriage and hatred against Jews.

I remember some child molester getting shot as he got off the plane while escorted in handcuffs. The father of the victim was there to give his justice. Does anybody remember the details?

Posted: 7/1/2008 5:16:58 AM EDT

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If I had the money and time, I might be willing to be the test case on this one.

Odd that Florida has had this law at least for the 6 years I've been carrying concealed, and we don't have airport shootouts.

12) No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05; any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station; any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom; any polling place; any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district; any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof; any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms; any school administration building; any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any career center; any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile; inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law. Any person who willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

Posted: 7/1/2008 5:20:27 AM EDT

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If I had the money and time, I might be willing to be the test case on this one.

Odd that Florida has had this law at least for the 6 years I've been carrying concealed, and we don't have airport shootouts.

Their has never been a Commercial Airport shootout on U.S. soil in the history of this country. Even criminals aren't that stupid.

2002 May 22nd. - USA, New Orleans International Airport: a 43-year-old former US Marine from Florida opened fire with a shotgun on people near a Southwest Airlines ticket counter, killing one person and injuring another. With no security forces present, two bystanders prevented further bloodshed by wrestling the assailant to the ground. Only one shot was fired, but the attacker still had 15 shells in his pockets.

2002 July 4th. USA, California, Los Angeles Airport, Tom Bradley International Terminal: a 41-year-old Egyptian national, a legal resident of Southern California, armed with a .45-caliber handgun, a 9 mm handgun, a 6-inch knife, and extra ammunition opened fire at the El Al ticket counter; 3 people (including the attacker) died and 4 others were injured. The assailant was confronted and fatally shot by an armed El Al security officer. No evidence was found that linked the gunman to any terrorist group. Investigators concluded that he was driven by a number of personal factors ranging depression caused by a failing business and a suffering marriage and hatred against Jews.

I remember some child molester getting shot as he got off the plane while escorted in handcuffs. The father of the victim was there to give his justice. Does anybody remember the details?

Details? Hell here's a video of it:

www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1151666740/Vengeful_Father_Kills_Child_Rapist

Posted: 7/1/2008 5:23:25 AM EDT

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I support that law, its common sense to me.. However i kind of understand the airport argument however thats what the secure areas are for...

Posted: 7/1/2008 5:27:55 AM EDT

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This is a post civil rights environment

Posted: 7/1/2008 5:32:37 AM EDT

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I support that law, its common sense to me.. However i kind of understand the airport argument however thats what the secure areas are for...

So what is there to understand about the airport argument? The non secured areas should be like any other place. Behind the security there is at least some chance that the bad guys would be disarmed as well, but nobody should be an unarmed victim simply because they're waiting for relatives to deboard.

Posted: 7/1/2008 5:44:23 AM EDT

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He's going to be caught by this:

16-11-127.
(a) Except as provided in Code Section 16-11-127.1, a person is guilty of a misdemeanor when he or she carries to or while at a public gathering any explosive compound, firearm, or knife designed for the purpose of offense and defense.
(b) For the purpose of this Code section, 'public gathering' shall include, but shall not be limited to, athletic or sporting events, churches or church functions, political rallies or functions, publicly owned or operated buildings, or establishments at which alcoholic beverages are sold for consumption on the premises. Nothing in this Code section shall otherwise prohibit the carrying of a firearm in any other public place by a person licensed or permitted to carry such firearm by this part.
(c) This Code section shall not apply to competitors participating in organized sport shooting events. Law enforcement officers, peace officers retired from state or federal law enforcement agencies, judges, magistrates, solicitors-general, and district attorneys may carry pistols in publicly owned or operated buildings.
(d) It is an affirmative defense to a violation of this Code section if a person notifies a law enforcement officer or other person employed to provide security for a public gathering of the presence of such item as soon as possible after learning of its presence and surrenders or secures such item as directed by the law enforcement officer or other person employed to provide security for a public gathering.

Hartsfield Airport is a government owned and operated building. It has been argued that highway rest stops are off limits because of this provision. I don't know how the new law changes that.

Posted: 7/1/2008 5:59:57 AM EDT

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Sorry, guys this isn't happening.

The lawsuit will still go on but Bearden will not be carrying per his own words over at Georgiapacking.org.

link?

+1

Here you go:

www.georgiapacking.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15559&highlight=

Posted: 7/1/2008 6:14:54 AM EDT

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Sorry, guys this isn't happening.

The lawsuit will still go on but Bearden will not be carrying per his own words over at Georgiapacking.org.

link?

+1

Here you go:

www.georgiapacking.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15559&highlight=

WTF?

Posted: 7/1/2008 6:17:01 AM EDT

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Odd that Florida has had this law at least for the 6 years I've been carrying concealed, and we don't have airport shootouts.

Really?

If you don't, you should. The old people working security at the Sarasota airport (including the Sarasota City Police) wouldn't even hear a gunfight going on right next to them unless they turned the volume on their hearing aids way up.

Posted: 7/1/2008 6:18:49 AM EDT

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Gah! You guys need to get rid of that public gathering statute. We need to get rid of ours too.

Posted: 7/1/2008 6:36:53 AM EDT

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I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that there is nothing in Georgia's laws that allows someone to legally declare a "gun free zone". They can prohibit carry on private property but that is not a legal prohibition. At best(for them), they may be able to have you escorted out by the police or arrested for criminal trespass.

Posted: 7/1/2008 7:18:53 AM EDT

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My prediction on the ruling from the GA court:

"As Justice Scalia wrote in Heller,

. . . nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.

In this post-9/11 world, we find that an airport terminal is a 'sensitive place.' Gun rights advocates, you lose; sucks to be you."

Posted: 7/1/2008 7:31:01 AM EDT

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If I had the money and time, I might be willing to be the test case on this one.

Odd that Florida has had this law at least for the 6 years I've been carrying concealed, and we don't have airport shootouts.

Their has never been a Commercial Airport shootout on U.S. soil in the history of this country. Even criminals aren't that stupid.

2002 May 22nd. - USA, New Orleans International Airport: a 43-year-old former US Marine from Florida opened fire with a shotgun on people near a Southwest Airlines ticket counter, killing one person and injuring another. With no security forces present, two bystanders prevented further bloodshed by wrestling the assailant to the ground. Only one shot was fired, but the attacker still had 15 shells in his pockets.

2002 July 4th. USA, California, Los Angeles Airport, Tom Bradley International Terminal: a 41-year-old Egyptian national, a legal resident of Southern California, armed with a .45-caliber handgun, a 9 mm handgun, a 6-inch knife, and extra ammunition opened fire at the El Al ticket counter; 3 people (including the attacker) died and 4 others were injured. The assailant was confronted and fatally shot by an armed El Al security officer. No evidence was found that linked the gunman to any terrorist group. Investigators concluded that he was driven by a number of personal factors ranging depression caused by a failing business and a suffering marriage and hatred against Jews.

I remember some child molester getting shot as he got off the plane while escorted in handcuffs. The father of the victim was there to give his justice. Does anybody remember the details?

Details? Hell here's a video of it:

www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1151666740/Vengeful_Father_Kills_Child_Rapist

He is a close friend of the family.
He was talking to my Dad on the phone.
He shot and didn't say anything.
The metal detectors were about 20 feet from where he shot.
He didn't got through them.
The blood stain was visible on the carpet in the airport for years until they remodeled.
He got probation

What else do you want to know?

ETA: I am pretty sure his son is a member here. I know he has a black rifle.

Posted: 7/1/2008 7:32:27 AM EDT

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Sorry, guys this isn't happening.

The lawsuit will still go on but Bearden will not be carrying per his own words over at Georgiapacking.org.

link?

+1

Here you go:

www.georgiapacking.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15559&highlight=

FTW...Good shoot!..I say it was premeditated but deserved!

If it were my child..I would contemplate the same thing!..

5 yrs probation!

Posted: 7/1/2008 7:35:21 AM EDT

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Since when can an airport manager order a cop to arrest anybody for anything?

"Well, in this post nine eleven bbq world, we can't take any chances."

Posted: 7/1/2008 7:37:06 AM EDT

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Sorry, guys this isn't happening.

The lawsuit will still go on but Bearden will not be carrying per his own words over at Georgiapacking.org.

link?

+1

Here you go:

www.georgiapacking.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15559&highlight=

FTW...Good shoot!..I say it was premeditated but deserved!

If it were my child..I would contemplate the same thing!..

5 yrs probation!

GUNSFORHIRE

It's wise of you to say that you would contemplate it and not do it.

Everyone says I would do the same thing and that's just not the case.

The shooter didn't expect to walk out of the airport alive.

Also the guy that got shot had done that to about 31 kids if I remember right.

Everyone that says they would have done the same thing isn't telling the truth.

Posted: 7/1/2008 7:44:33 AM EDT

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Sorry, guys this isn't happening.

The lawsuit will still go on but Bearden will not be carrying per his own words over at Georgiapacking.org.

link?

+1

Here you go:

www.georgiapacking.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15559&highlight=

FTW...Good shoot!..I say it was premeditated but deserved!

If it were my child..I would contemplate the same thing!..

5 yrs probation!

GUNSFORHIRE

It's wise of you to say that you would contemplate it and not do it.

Everyone says I would do the same thing and that's just not the case.

The shooter didn't expect to walk out of the airport alive.

Also the guy that got shot had done that to about 31 kids if I remember right.

Everyone that says they would have done the same thing isn't telling the truth.

Well my friend..Im not EVERYONE, I did not say that to KLANK my brass balls! But my life has been in far more imminent danger and more risk for less value than the value of my children!

Maybe if you knew me personally you could make the statement to any effect to what I would or would NOT do if someone harmed my children..

Talk is for pussies and politicians!

I did say CONTEMPLATE..That is a little less than " I'd DO it!" because the CoC may have been a factor in my consideration for violent acts!

Posted: 7/1/2008 7:48:15 AM EDT

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You could call it the Atlanta version of "High Noon."

Posted: 7/1/2008 7:50:32 AM EDT

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I carry in every airport I go to and only put my weapon in its locked, hardsided case about 10 minutes before I have to check my bags.

Posted: 7/1/2008 7:50:39 AM EDT

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You could call it the Atlanta version of "High Noon."

And our side blinked.

I completely understand his reasoning, but now there will likely be more of this same thing. After talking big and then running, I think he's only encouraged this guy, in the worst way.

Posted: 7/1/2008 7:52:33 AM EDT

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Suit filed!!!

Posted: 7/1/2008 8:35:25 AM EDT

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Suit filed!!!

I'm with Cabby; Bearden's bill didn't remove all public facilities from current Georgia code; it just removed the bar on carrying in places that serve alcohol, and specifically removed public transportation from being protected as a "public facility".

The way I interpret the law, Bearden would've been covered until he stepped off MARTA and onto AHJ airport.

Posted: 7/1/2008 9:00:47 AM EDT

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Suit filed!!!

I'm with Cabby; Bearden's bill didn't remove all public facilities from current Georgia code; it just removed the bar on carrying in places that serve alcohol, and specifically removed public transportation from being protected as a "public facility".

The way I interpret the law, Bearden would've been covered until he stepped off MARTA and onto AHJ airport.

It also included state parks and Wildlife Management Areas which is a big deal.

Posted: 7/1/2008 9:40:12 AM EDT

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Lawsuit filed over Atlanta airport barring guns
Tuesday, July 01, 2008

By SHANNON McCAFFREY, Associated Press Writer

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ATLANTA — The nation's busiest airport dueled with gun rights advocates Tuesday over whether a new Georgia state law allows visitors to carry firearms at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport.

City officials in charge of the airport declared it a "gun-free zone" when a law allowing people to carry guns on public transit and other places took effect Tuesday. Gun rights supporters, including a state legislator who helped pass the law, quickly filed a lawsuit in federal court challenging the designation.

"My message is simple: Leave your firearms at home," airport general manager Ben DeCosta told reporters at a news conference.

Atlanta officials said anyone carrying a gun at the airport could be arrested and charged with a misdemeanor.

The new state law allows people with a concealed weapons permit to carry guns into restaurants, state parks and on public transportation.

John Monroe, an attorney for the gun rights backers who filed the lawsuit, argued the Atlanta airport qualifies as public transportation. There are also restaurants in the terminal, which Monroe said should be accessible to gun-toting visitors under the new law.

Rep. Tim Bearden, a Republican from Villa Rica and a former police officer, is a plaintiff in the lawsuit. Bearden sponsored the state law.

He had told a newspaper he would carry a concealed weapon to the airport Tuesday when he picked up his family. But he told The Associated Press by telephone Tuesday morning, "There will be no reason for any confrontation at the airport."

The gun group argues that weapons should be allowed in the terminal up to the point where passengers pass through security to board their flights. The parking lot is off limits under the state law, but it allows travelers to carry a gun on MARTA trains and buses, which run directly to the airport.

Atlanta Mayor Shirley Franklin said citizens can't bring guns into the terminal and argued that airports remain attractive targets for terrorism.

Allowing citizens to carry firearms "would create an environment that would endanger millions of people," she said.

Franklin said she will lobby Congress to withhold federal funds from facilities that allow firearms on their premises.

Posted: 7/1/2008 9:45:24 AM EDT

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old school tag for out come

Posted: 7/1/2008 9:54:15 AM EDT

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Maybe if you knew me personally you could make the statement to any effect to what I would or would NOT do if someone harmed my children..

Talk is for pussies and politicians!

That's understandable but you also need to consider being around to help and support your kids instead of rotting in states prison.

Posted: 7/1/2008 10:12:42 AM EDT

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If I had the money and time, I might be willing to be the test case on this one.

Odd that Florida has had this law at least for the 6 years I've been carrying concealed, and we don't have airport shootouts.

12) No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05; any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station; any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom; any polling place; any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district; any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof; any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms; any school administration building; any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any career center; any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile; inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law. Any person who willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

The key phrase is "passenger terminal" . Does this include the check-in and baggage claim area that everyone has access to? Or does it only include the area past the security cop-a-feel area where PASSENGERS wait to board their plane?

Posted: 7/1/2008 10:17:01 AM EDT

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He is a close friend of the family.
He was talking to my Dad on the phone.
He shot and didn't say anything.
The metal detectors were about 20 feet from where he shot.
He didn't got through them.
The blood stain was visible on the carpet in the airport for years until they remodeled.
He got probation

What else do you want to know?

ETA: I am pretty sure his son is a member here. I know he has a black rifle.

Say what you will about it, but this is AWESOME. I'm very glad he just got probation. That POS had it coming to him.

Posted: 7/1/2008 10:20:55 AM EDT

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The politician says he backed down because he didn't want his small children to see him hauled off to jail. But it would have been a powerful lesson for them to learn what it sometimes takes to stand on principle.

Posted: 7/1/2008 10:52:51 AM EDT

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My prediction on the ruling from the GA court:

"As Justice Scalia wrote in Heller,

. . . nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.

In this post-9/11 world, we find that an airport terminal is a 'sensitive place.' Gun rights advocates, you lose; sucks to be you."

It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad. -- James Madison

Posted: 7/1/2008 11:50:08 AM EDT

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FTW...Good shoot!..I say it was premeditated but deserved!

If it were my child..I would contemplate the same thing!..

5 yrs probation!

GUNSFORHIRE

It's wise of you to say that you would contemplate it and not do it.

Everyone says I would do the same thing and that's just not the case.

The shooter didn't expect to walk out of the airport alive.

Also the guy that got shot had done that to about 31 kids if I remember right.

Everyone that says they would have done the same thing isn't telling the truth.

Well my friend..Im not EVERYONE, I did not say that to KLANK my brass balls! But my life has been in far more imminent danger and more risk for less value than the value of my children!

Maybe if you knew me personally you could make the statement to any effect to what I would or would NOT do if someone harmed my children..

Talk is for pussies and politicians!

I did say CONTEMPLATE..That is a little less than " I'd DO it!" because the CoC may have been a factor in my consideration for violent acts!

Hypothetically speaking I would contemplate the same thing, but not F2F.

Long rifle, long range, switch out the barrels afterwards.

Vengeance and future child-rape prevention in one shot.

Hypothetically speaking.

Posted: 7/1/2008 12:03:53 PM EDT

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tag

Posted: 7/1/2008 12:10:07 PM EDT

[#41]

Ben "Dover" DeCosta and Mayor Franklin were served with federal lawsuits at their press conference.

Ben took his papers, Mayor franklin turned her back and walked away.

Shirley will be asked "How'd that dick taste?" in court after she loses again. She tried to keep city parks off-limits to lawful gun owners in May.....she lost. In Georgia, ONLY the state legislature has the ability to regulate where firearms may be carried or not carried.

Slow learners, these.

Posted: 7/1/2008 12:34:09 PM EDT

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If I had the money and time, I might be willing to be the test case on this one.

Odd that Florida has had this law at least for the 6 years I've been carrying concealed, and we don't have airport shootouts.

Their has never been a Commercial Airport shootout on U.S. soil in the history of this country. Even criminals aren't that stupid.

LINK

I agree that I would have prefered to be armed standing in that line, but you really need to be sure of your facts to keep your soapbox from being kicked out from under you.

The article was about LAX, but also mentioned:

The last shooting at a U.S. airport was in May when a Pensacola, Florida, man opened fire at a ticket counter at the main airport in New Orleans, killing one person and wounding another.

This was the one I remembered and it came up first hit on the google. I am sure there are others. The point is that there are tons of unarmed sheep in such places.

Posted: 7/1/2008 12:45:33 PM EDT

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Sorry, guys this isn't happening.

The lawsuit will still go on but Bearden will not be carrying per his own words over at Georgiapacking.org.

link?

+1

Here you go:

www.georgiapacking.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15559&highlight=

FTW...Good shoot!..I say it was premeditated but deserved!

If it were my child..I would contemplate the same thing!..

5 yrs probation!

GUNSFORHIRE

It's wise of you to say that you would contemplate it and not do it.

Everyone says I would do the same thing and that's just not the case.

The shooter didn't expect to walk out of the airport alive.

Also the guy that got shot had done that to about 31 kids if I remember right.

Everyone that says they would have done the same thing isn't telling the truth.

Well my friend..Im not EVERYONE, I did not say that to KLANK my brass balls! But my life has been in far more imminent danger and more risk for less value than the value of my children!

Maybe if you knew me personally you could make the statement to any effect to what I would or would NOT do if someone harmed my children..

Talk is for pussies and politicians!

I did say CONTEMPLATE..That is a little less than " I'd DO it!" because the CoC may have been a factor in my consideration for violent acts!

GUNSFORHIRE

I think you took what I said the wrong way. I meant to say that in all the times I have heard that act discussed you are the only person smart enough to say that they wouldn't absolutely to it. That in my eyes is a smart and truthful thing.

If the only reason that you did it was for the COC, I retract the compliment.

You might be a stone cold killer for all I know. I make no judgment either way.

Posted: 7/1/2008 12:45:46 PM EDT

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I met Tim Bearden the morning that he introduced the bill(HB89) in the Georgia Legislature. He took the time to thank every last one of us that showed up at the capitol for showing up. He's a former LEO, and a stand-up guy.

Apparently he is more of the sit down, turn around, flip flop kinda guy.

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He had told a newspaper he would carry a concealed weapon to the airport Tuesday when he picked up his family. But he told The Associated Press by telephone Tuesday morning, "There will be no reason for any confrontation at the airport."

Heeeeerre pussy pussy pussy. (Edit for clarity and to avoid possible unintended flame war. I am Not calling "Bama" a pussy.

Posted: 7/1/2008 3:34:26 PM EDT

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DeCosta and Franklin can kiss my white ass. I was at the Atlanta airport today and I was carrying concealed. Fuckem. Pardon my language.

Posted: 7/1/2008 3:37:11 PM EDT

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I met Tim Bearden the morning that he introduced the bill(HB89) in the Georgia Legislature. He took the time to thank every last one of us that showed up at the capitol for showing up. He's a former LEO, and a stand-up guy.

Apparently he is more of the sit down, turn around, flip flop kinda guy.

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He had told a newspaper he would carry a concealed weapon to the airport Tuesday when he picked up his family. But he told The Associated Press by telephone Tuesday morning, "There will be no reason for any confrontation at the airport."

Heeeeerre pussy pussy pussy. (Edit for clarity and to avoid possible unintended flame war. I am Not calling "Bama" a pussy.

Do you live in Georgia?

Posted: 7/1/2008 3:45:40 PM EDT

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Odd that Florida has had this law at least for the 6 years I've been carrying concealed, and we don't have airport shootouts.

Really?

You know, I just looked up the statute, and there is includes the passenger terminal. However, I can almost swear that this was not the case just a few years ago.

I can state that that effectively makes the infromation that the old packing.org had incorrect, and it serves the additional purpose of making me incorrect. This crow tastes like shit.

Just one of the parts on 790.06(12) I'd like to see changed.

I hate having to leave my gun in my truck if I'm going to pick someone up.

Posted: 7/1/2008 4:13:55 PM EDT

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I met Tim Bearden the morning that he introduced the bill(HB89) in the Georgia Legislature. He took the time to thank every last one of us that showed up at the capitol for showing up. He's a former LEO, and a stand-up guy.

Apparently he is more of the sit down, turn around, flip flop kinda guy.

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He had told a newspaper he would carry a concealed weapon to the airport Tuesday when he picked up his family. But he told The Associated Press by telephone Tuesday morning, "There will be no reason for any confrontation at the airport."

Heeeeerre pussy pussy pussy. (Edit for clarity and to avoid possible unintended flame war. I am Not calling "Bama" a pussy.

He didnt carry because his child heard he may get arrested,no 8 year old wants to see their father arrested,i applaud him in his decision.Sometimes things dont work out,he seems to be a stand up guy for all he has done for people living in georgia.I will not stoop to your level and call you names,but please dont refer to some one as you did who stands up for our rights as much as he has.You are entitled to your opinion but i dont appreciate what you said and i would think other ga folks and supporters of our 2a rights here on this sight do not appreciate it.

Posted: 7/1/2008 4:24:11 PM EDT

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If I had the money and time, I might be willing to be the test case on this one.

Odd that Florida has had this law at least for the 6 years I've been carrying concealed, and we don't have airport shootouts.

12) No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05; any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station; any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom; any polling place; any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district; any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof; any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms; any school administration building; any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any career center; any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile; inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law. Any person who willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

The key phrase is "passenger terminal" . Does this include the check-in and baggage claim area that everyone has access to? Or does it only include the area past the security cop-a-feel area where PASSENGERS wait to board their plane?

Well all the signs say Terminal right a the drop off points so I would say yes and it specifically states that this does not stop you from checking a cased and unloaded firearm for checking into you baggage.

The law USED to allow for it a long time ago from what I have read, but it was changed to not allow it.

Posted: 7/1/2008 10:38:05 PM EDT

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If I had the money and time, I might be willing to be the test case on this one.

Odd that Florida has had this law at least for the 6 years I've been carrying concealed, and we don't have airport shootouts.

Their has never been a Commercial Airport shootout on U.S. soil in the history of this country. Even criminals aren't that stupid.

Wanna bet?

What the rep needs to do is definitely check the law first. It wouldn't be the first time a law wasn't written as precisely as desired. If he is good to go, let the manager know he is coming without his kids (and without any weapons) let the Manager have him detained and/or arrested and then find out he wasn't carrying. Little probable cause issue there, just thinking he "might" have a gun absent any other indicia of suspicious is probably not up to snuff for even a Terry stop..

How about a bunch of guys wearing Georgia Concealed Carry CLub t-shirts or polo shirts with a small logo and printing, with something like a couple cellphones under the t-shirt, just because it looks like something is printing and a few words on a t-shirt. I'm sure you could cause some consternation. Hippies used to set of minor confrontations all the time, nothing says good old boys can't have a little fun

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