Not in most states.  Keep your socialism off of my body.

It is my firm opinion that suicide laws exist primarily to soothe the consciences of the healthy.  The one exception is those with mental illness.  They should at least be guided towards the mental health profession first.  

Just because a person thinks life sucks to the ninth ring of hell, and is so far down rock bottom they can't see the light above, is no reason to kill themselves. That's the coward's way out. It's a long term solution to a short term problem. Period.

Suicide for that reason isn't a choice to be commended. It's not about "freedom". It's a tragedy. And one that can be prevented. People that are that down low have some psychological reason why that is so. And in the vast majority of cases, it's treatable.

And before some fucker decides to slam me and say I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, I know all too fucking well. I've been there. But I BEAT CLINICAL DEPRESSION pushing me over the edge and GOT MY LIFE BACK. If I can do it, anybody can. It's just a matter of WANTING HELP and HELPING THEMSELVES. And friends and family that see the signs, and do nothing because "it's none of their business", aren't worth a flying fuck in my book. That support apparatus is a big help in saving someone about to fall over the edge. It sure as hell helped me, and maybe even saved my life in the long run.

As for the terminally ill, if they want to end their lives, they need to think it through carefully and get their affairs in order. Don't leave the survivors to hold the bag when you check out.

But above all, I'm firmly of the opinion that if you are terminally ill and make that choice, have the guts to go through with that choice YOURSELF if you are of sound mind and body. Don't expect somebody else to do it for you or provide the means for you to do it. I couldn't, in good conscience, put somebody in that position. This isn't Feudal Japan, where a Samurai committing seppuku had the choice of a "second" ready to cut his head off with a katana when they have suffered enough to cleanse their dishonor. Put your own gun against your head yourself. Put the hose in the exhaust pipe yourself. Get the pills and take them yourself. No matter the method, have the balls to do yourself in. It's your choice, you made it, and you be the one to carry out.  

And as for encouraging "undesirables" in society toward suicide because they aren't "productive members" is a dangerous idea. It's dangerously close to the Third Reich's policy of Lebensunwertes Leben, just that the State doesn't get it's hands dirty or bloody in the process. I'm all for trimming programs for the moochers/slouchers and forcing them to make it or break it on their own. But loose acceptance of suicide for the downtrodden, as seen in the film Soylent Green, opens up some dangerous doors that I'd rather not see opened.

But these are my opinions, and mine alone. Others will differ. And I'm not slamming you Drago. Just disagreeing and stating my reasons why. You have just as much right to your opinion as any other swinging dick (or tit) here. And I respect that.

A crime that doesn't harm anyone else. People should have TOTAL ownership over their bodies.
And to all those who say it is selfish or cowardly, that still doesn't make it your or anybody else's business.

Agreed.



 

Doesn't matter if it's on the books or not. A crime isn't just what a state or government says it is. If Nazi's claim that murdering Jews is legal. It would still be a crime regardless of what they say is or is not a crime. Things like do not murder are absolute and enduring. Suicide being self murder is and always will be a crime.

 

We could write our PHD on this  Non fuckin stop and getting worse.  I had to go to home health, people seem better suited for their transition with dignity.  The wife works in one of the most high speed, low drag ICUs in the world avnd it is non stop sad, I have also worked shifts there.

Are you one of those people who would make it illegal for an heroic fireman to save the life of a girl who is trying to commit suicide because she is devastated her boyfriend cheated on her and dumped her?

 

Good try.  Stupid analogy that will not work on those of us who live to help others,

No I want the fireman to have the CHOICE to try talk her out of it and her to have the CHOICE to do what she wants with her life.

I just hope when my turn comes and I have to own up to all the horrible shit I've done or been part of, whoever makes the decision realizes I didn't do it with ill intent or malice.  Still doesn't change the fact that you did something you knew was wrong, even though you were "just following orders."  

 

How is a 80 year old man dying of cancer, so weak he can't lift his head, barely able to breathe, unable to look at his grandchildren, in a temporary situation?

Dude, I'm glad you got over your clinical depression. But that's not what this discussion is about. No one is saying you should have committed suicide. The teenage girl whos broken hearted, the victim of crime who needs therapy, the "misunderstood" emo kid that's not who this discussion is really about. That IS a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Now back to my original example. That man was my grandfather. He was a strong guy, the strongest I've even known, but by the end, he had degenerated so quickly within a couple months he went from taking a picture with my dad and me, in uniform to being unable to speak. He didn't, and would never attempt suicide, but if he wanted, should he have been allowed? It was painfull for all of us to watch. And it would not have been a cowards way out. There are many people worse off then him, who could keep their families from the grief if they were given the option. Is it selfish to want to keep your love ones from seeing a barely breathing corpse everytime they see you?

LOL @ suicide being selfish... and LOL @ suicide being a crime... Hard to punish a successful suicide...
It is this attitude or belief that is selfish.
Their life = 100% their will, their decision



other opinions matter 0%
It would take some rare scenario to make it a selfish act...



All those who want to make laws that get in the way are supporting the nanny state and against individuals rights and will.

I do believe people have the right to determine their fate if they have a terminal illness and will suffer terribly.

She's got moxy.  

He never said that you had to, or should try to drink it.

There are other ways to get the alcohol in your bloodstream.

Enema? DRT. Remember reading about that as an accidental death of an alcoholic that had some body part or other removed and couldn't drink alcohol anymore.



 

My hat is off to you, sir, for the most fucked-up yet hilarious post I've seen all day.

I fear the living family far more than i fear the lawyers.  The family is beyond unpredictable.  The lawyers, its all by the book.  



I had a patient that I spent 3 hours of a 12 hour shift working on in 'hopes' she would last another day cause i was soposed to.  There were 3 of us doing it.  My ONLY concerns at the time was 1) will the family get up here to say their final piece and 2) will she make it till morning so a very good friend/coworker get to say her good byes.   She passed a few hours later.  



I have another one that her son, while willing to let go, honestly scares the shit out of me.  He's capable of anything.  Probably reading this if he is what i think he is.



For those that are not in healthcare and cant see both sides as a 3rd party, you have no clue.   I've had patients ask me why their family wishes that they suffer thru another night of pills, injections and other bullshit.   Others ask me why their family never shows up and they get 'adopted' by other families that show up to see their roommate.   It's hard mentally.  Maybe my mind isn't trained not to care after my shift is over yet.  But if I ever get to that point, its time to move on.



 

Before they retired my father was a surgeon, and mom an RN + later a psychologist.  Ask them if they are okay with their oldest son committing suicide.  His birthday is coming up in a couple weeks, so I guess you think I should be happy that he got what he wanted?

The havoc suicide wreaks on families can not be understood by those that haven’t experienced it.  My views were pretty much the same as yours until detectives knocked on my door.

If somebody wants to permanently solve temporary problems, that's on them.  It's a raw deal that it happened to you, but that isn't really what I'm talking about.  I'm talking about keeping people alive and suffering in hospitals who should have been dead and at peace months, or in some cases, even years ago.  

I don’t disagree with your viewpoint on keeping patient alive just because we have the ability to.  But Charlotte’s suicide kit doesn’t really have anything to do with medical care.  IMHO she’s just a parasite feeding on weak individuals, as do many so-called medical professionals.

Anyone know if these kits are legal to sell in Ohio?  Thinking about selling some kits which come with bags in different styles of camo.  Maybe we can do a special AR15.com exclusive version.

Nice one!

Suicide is wrong, but the way I view it is that the person who commits suicide is the victim of an illness that wasn't properly addressed.

A personal decision is a personal decision...and the .gov needs to stay away from personal decisions.

Yeah, I'm a Libertarian.

If the state removes the illegality of suicide......how is it a crime?

Self-murder?

Oh, I see.........you are making the reference that it is a religious crime.

I guess I am fortunate that I am agnostic......that way I don't have to worry if I am every ill enough to consider this as an option.

Is there paint fumes somewhere that I should know about? Who the hell is talking about suicide kids for emo teens or drunks who lost their jobs?


As another medical professional I 100% AGREE WITH ASSISTED SUICIDE. I also think that the laws need to change to respect the wishes of the patients, not revert to the wishes of the family after the patient loses the ability to cognitively make a decision. I've seen countless times where a patient is dying but the family refuses to let go so as soon as grandma starts coding the proxy gets control, recinds the DNR/DNI, changes them to full code and its away we go with all the meds, chest thumping, emergency surgery, ventilators, etc. We'll spend an easy 50,000-100,000 on that person in a week, and with modern medicine able to take control of a bunch of body functions we've had it to the point where the body has started slowly dropping pieces (literally, starts with fingers and toes and moves from there).

People have the right to be treated, on the same note they have the right not to be treated and to be comfortable through their final hours.

dot gov needs to stay out of a lot of things, and personal choices concerning health care is one of them.


oh wait, we are screwed twice on this one.

The only thing you will ever completely own free and clear in your life is your body.  

Yet there are people out there that would deny you your right to do with it as you please.

Sleezy.

You can't own people, that's slavery.  What you're arguing in favor of is a slave owner's right to kill his slaves.  It's barbaric.
Some folks actually think like that.
 

Suicide kit, it's not just OK, for leftists it is the right thing.  (pun intended)

That depends. If you're terminal and will be in pain the rest of your days, I think it would be selfish to demand that person stick around for the agony.



 

Some of y'all need to read my sig and be wary of the company you keep.

Just wait til your father asks you to smother him with a pillow before he ends up in a nursing home of some sort.

 

People who don't work in health care won't understand, but these two above me are spot on.

  And just what IS that? I'm curious because cancer runs in my family.

I don't AGREE with suicide , I feel that every life is precious and has a purpose , however I also don't feel that people can't make that decision for themselves. We should have a free society where people can make their own choices about their lives, including when they should end. There's a huge problem in this country of zombies, and if you don't understand what I'm talking about, go to a rest home.

Anyone that spends much time in a rest home should know it too............Alot of people who are alive just because someone made that decision for them - All at a cost (around here) of $3,000 per person per month to taxpayers.

Im going to have to go with this comment
knowing 2 children(ages 10 and 11) that had the pleasure of finding their mothers dead,yup both offed their self knowing fucking well that their kids would be the ones to find them.
1st slit her wrists and the 2nd hung herself great mental image to carry with you for the rest of your life


I can see a person in certain circumstances(extreme pain/terminal illness) choosing this solution but all the ones I have seen/know of were for selfish reasons with complete disregard for the ones that loved them and that they supposedly loved.

just my 2 cents/YMMV/to each his own blah blah blah

If my body and my life do not belong to me, who do they belong to?

Not only do I think it's OK I encourage people to do it.

If someone is trying to commit suicide they have no right to a choice on such an issue. Other people have an obligation and responsibility to physically take control over a suicidal person in order to stop them from doing it.

So your hospital doesn't honor do not resuscitate orders, because that is all a person who can determine if they want to live or die would have to do.  If you have cancer or are getting on in years perhaps preparing a Living Will is a smart move.

Be careful what you ask for.

Right to refuse care/assisted suicide for terminal patients?  Absolutely

Otherwise, if people want to off themselves, let them.

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I have a friend who found his dad after he killed himself. That screwed him and his mom up bad. There was no reason for him to have done that to himself or his family.