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Posted: 11/26/2022 7:28:41 PM EDT
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Because the politicians and advisors in the executive branch told them to focus on it. Simple as that.
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Posted: 11/26/2022 7:28:55 PM EDT
[#2]
The ATF only hires the kind of people who don't just hate guns, that hate us. Personally.
And they want to make us unhappy. Which I understand, I wish to make liberals unhappy too. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 7:30:29 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are assholes who hate freedom. It's also easier to oppress middle class productive members of society than go after dangerous criminal parasites. Much safer too. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 7:31:43 PM EDT
[#4]
Because it spites them. It proves the SBR registry shit, it just shit.
It was never about “safety” it was about control spawned by ignorance. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 7:37:09 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's also easier to oppress middle class productive members of society than go after dangerous criminal parasites. Much safer too. The ATF a can also get a lot bigger publicity boost if they bust a “normal guy living in the suburbs with an arsenal” than if they just put another gang banger away for 10 years |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 7:40:25 PM EDT
[#6]
Just the latest restriction.
As soon as they get braces, they go after something else. And then something else. And then something else. And then something else. Until it’s ALL gone. They could literally not care less about the $200 — they’ll never run out of money to oppress — tax stamp or no tax stamp. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 8:01:29 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Defund (as in zero fund) the BTAFE!  Republicans will get right on that, lol |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 8:21:07 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOh no, don’t make masta’ mad. He might whip us more than usual. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 8:24:00 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh no, don’t make masta’ mad. He might whip us more than usual. Looks like we’re about to get whipped pretty good. 
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Posted: 11/26/2022 8:28:35 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they are SBR's. So why did they approve them? Then also say shouldering them was ok? So they could catchup a bunch of people in the future? |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 8:32:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like we’re about to get whipped pretty good. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh no, don’t make masta’ mad. He might whip us more than usual. Looks like we’re about to get whipped pretty good. Cracking down on braces is a major strategic error for them. The braces by definition were an acknowledgment of the legality of the GCA. Yeah yeah they were a work around but they were also a polite nod to the fact that people just couldn’t put stocks on anything. And people were still paying the $200 to SBR stuff. Now, ATF is basically telling people there is no way to be assured that what they do complies with federal law as enforced by that agency. And that people might as well follow the marijuana model of scofflawing (if they’re even aware of this new rule). |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 8:35:31 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are you mad at the ATF but not the guy that directed them to do it.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 8:37:15 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's an obvious circumvention over the intention of the restrictions of Short Barreled Rifles. It's a circumvention I agree with, but it's quite obvious that's why they are upset. Basically, industry outmaneuvered CGA, the ATF doesn't like that. Net net it's good for us, as it's about to redpill a bunch of people on the inherent nature of these unelected agencies. Even if you follow the rules, they can still fuck you. For years, the gun community thought they could get away with cucking to the arbitrary rules. People arguing with each other on the internet over 922r, etc. https://media.tenor.com/1TvCFfEd2wwAAAAd/anton-chigurh-rule.gif I’ve never once thought about 922r. Ever. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 8:37:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pistol braces are low hanging fruit, just like forced-reset triggers, "solvent traps", and bump stocks. They can make the case that the devices were specifically designed to exploit loopholes in the way their regulations are written, and aren't protected by the 2nd Amendment. They've essentially been told to go after anything they can ban without creating a fuss or needing a law passed by Congress. If they were actually concerned about getting rid of items used by criminals, they'd be putting all their effort into hunting down the manufacturers and sellers of Glock FA conversion backplates since that's the new ghetto fabulous gun accessory, but that would require actual police work instead of banning shit widely used by law-abiding citizens. They are working Glock switches pretty hard. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 8:37:48 PM EDT
[#15]
CUNTS
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Posted: 11/26/2022 8:38:10 PM EDT
[#16]
Because they hate freedom.
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Posted: 11/26/2022 8:39:01 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cracking down on braces is a major strategic error for them. The braces by definition were an acknowledgment of the legality of the GCA. Yeah yeah they were a work around but they were also a polite nod to the fact that people just couldn’t put stocks on anything. And people were still paying the $200 to SBR stuff. Now, ATF is basically telling people there is no way to be assured that what they do complies with federal law as enforced by that agency. And that people might as well follow the marijuana model of scofflawing (if they’re even aware of this new rule). I understand your logic, but I disagree it’s an error for them. Most gun owners will simply comply with the new rules. People will talk tough in the internet, but most will just pull their braces or register their pistols as SBRs. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 8:40:49 PM EDT
[#18]
Probably because the legality of a pistol brace can change overnight with an email.
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Posted: 11/26/2022 8:42:50 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t know how anyone who works for the ATF, IRS, EPA or other agency whose sole role is enforcement of bullshit laws where the only purpose is to restrict the rights of others and/or take their hard earned money that they know with certainty the gov’t will waste. But then again, I consider myself a somewhat decent person and also like to think I’m not mentally defective to the point where I believe such roles/agencies are necessary and/or doing some kind of good in this world. There is a certain generation that has been trained to go along and follow the rules no matter what they think of them. I had my dem uncle say RvW should stand JUST because it has been that way for so long. I am constantly told by passengers that I drive over the speed limit and its dangerous. But none of them can tell me how speed limits came to be. We need to change back into a country that challenges everything and pushes back against bullshit we don’t want. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 8:45:36 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I understand your logic, but I disagree it’s an error for them. Most gun owners will simply comply with the new rules. People will talk tough in the internet, but most will just pull their braces or register their pistols as SBRs. I agree that most gun owners won’t be posting photos of their braced guns on the internet. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 8:46:46 PM EDT
[#21]
1. Because braces are clearly nothing more than a way to have an SBR without following the NFA. It's amazing they were ever approved in the first place. SBRs shouldn't be on the NFA, but they are. And until our supposedly pro-gun politicians do anything to take them off the NFA, it's silly to expect the ATF to ignore the fact that people are using braces to skirt the law.
2. Because the proliferation of "not-SBRs" has trickled down to the criminal class and a lot of braced rifles are showing up in crimes (and yes, they are less concealable than a handgun, but they are far more lethal than a handgun while being more concealable than a full size rifle). |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 8:47:58 PM EDT
[#22]
It’s a power trip. They want dominion over you.
It’s all about control, and that’s it. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 8:49:51 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are assholes who hate freedom. This. It's not about making a meaningful impact on violent crime. It's about you daring to defy their interpretation of the law. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 8:50:17 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they’d miss out on the tax stamp revenue for an SBR They don’t give a shit about $200. The Government spends Trillions and Trillions of Dollars it hasn’t even printed yet. It’s about Government control OF YOU. For years ATF said, in writing, that “pistol braces” were perfectly legal. So much so, that even the most straight-laced, NON risk taking, gun-owning Citizens joined the braced-pistol phenomenon. Now that millions of law-abiding Citizens have spent their money (POST-tax income) and are in possession of their legally acquired property, the Government changes their mind and will soon declare what was legally being produced, marketed, sold and in-use to be illegal, thus creating FELONS from thin air out of millions of previously law-abiding Citizens whom have harmed nobody. THAT was the goal. Now they can kick your door in at anytime they want with great confidence that they will find “the evidence” they need to “lawfully” destroy your life while the mainstream media applauds their efforts to “get illegal guns off the streets” and stop YOU! BTW- They don’t want your “compliance” either. They want you to always be guilty of something. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 8:51:43 PM EDT
[#25]
Something to do about sucking cock.
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Posted: 11/26/2022 9:03:58 PM EDT
[#26]
I think its the fact that it allows many the freedom of a carry pistol but in a centrefire rifle cartridge.
Interstate travel, handgun repricocity, carrying loaded etc Thats a lot of freedom. And they do not like freedom. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 9:06:05 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they’d miss out on the tax stamp revenue for an SBR No, not even a concern. I am sure the fed govt would much prefer to do away with all NFA in exchange for giving up relatively insignificant revenue as compared to fed budget. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 9:06:11 PM EDT
[#28]
If they were in the world of 'Man in the High Tower' they'd happily be running around with SS on their collars and liquidating every pesky American their masters told them to. They're about as unamerican as one could be.
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Posted: 11/26/2022 9:07:06 PM EDT
[#29]
They are not getting their 200 bucks.
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Posted: 11/26/2022 9:11:37 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It has nothing to do with money. They could give a shit about money. If they wanted more revenue they would streamline the NFA process to maximize transactions. It's about power. They made a rule. People operated in a way that circumvented the intent of the rule while still following the rule. They don't like that. This guy gets it. Fuck the ATF. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 9:12:18 PM EDT
[#31]
Because they want to create as many criminals as possible to justify their existence.
If you reward them with compliance this will never ever stop. They probably had this in mind when they allowed pistol braces onto the market 10 years ago. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 9:19:54 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: See all the whining about 'loopholes' whenever this happens. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It has nothing to do with money. They could give a shit about money. If they wanted more revenue they would streamline the NFA process to maximize transactions. It's about power. They made a rule. People operated in a way that circumvented the intent of the rule while still following the rule. They don't like that. See all the whining about 'loopholes' whenever this happens. There should not be any loops in the red tape to exploit the holes to. The red tape itself is unconstitutional. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 9:24:53 PM EDT
[#33]
They are little dick betas who have a hard on for fucking with regular people.
They got beat up for their milk money in grade school. They think they are elites, and they think they are important. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 9:42:04 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Third option. Control. They want the $200 for the tax stamp but want to control who has them and want a registry. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 10:03:39 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are you mad at the ATF but not the guy that directed them to do it. Because neither have the ability to make laws yet one of them is trying to. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 10:11:18 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. "You will respect my authority" And if I don't recognize the "authority"? Kinda has to be recognized to be respected. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 10:23:42 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are you mad at the ATF but not the guy that directed them to do it. lol TDS  see flair |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 10:28:41 PM EDT
[#38]
Because the Left and the gun banners hate them and the Justice Department is their wholly-owned subsidiary. Braces are just a part of their hate list.
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/3548/attachments/original/1510786367/Giffords-Lethal-and-Legal.pdf?1510786367 |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 10:35:45 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There shouldn't be a regulatory agency for the 2nd amendment anymore than there should not be one for the 1st amendment. The entire agency needs to be struck down by the SC. Shall not be infringed. QFTT |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 10:36:10 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They don’t give a shit about $200. The Government spends Trillions and Trillions of Dollars it hasn’t even printed yet. It’s about Government control OF YOU. For years ATF said, in writing, that “pistol braces” were perfectly legal. So much so, that even the most straight-laced, NON risk taking, gun-owning Citizens joined the braced-pistol phenomenon. Now that millions of law-abiding Citizens have spent their money (POST-tax income) and are in possession of their legally acquired property, the Government changes their mind and will soon declare what was legally being produced, marketed, sold and in-use to be illegal, thus creating FELONS from thin air out of millions of previously law-abiding Citizens whom have harmed nobody. THAT was the goal. Now they can kick your door in at anytime they want with great confidence that they will find “the evidence” they need to “lawfully” destroy your life while the mainstream media applauds their efforts to “get illegal guns off the streets” and stop YOU! BTW- They don’t want your “compliance” either. They want you to always be guilty of something. Yes, this is going to be a shit show of epic proportions. They are literally creating millions of felons with the stroke of a pen... |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 10:36:33 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Designed and intended to be fired from the shoulder" SB Tactical, etc, say their products aren't designed or intended for firing from the shoulder. Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Because they are SBR's. "Designed and intended to be fired from the shoulder" SB Tactical, etc, say their products aren't designed or intended for firing from the shoulder. Kharn I promise, if you suck it..... <---shall not be infringed |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 11:12:30 PM EDT
[#42]
FAFTs whole purpose is to disarm The People under Color of Law, using Statutes that on their face are wholly Constitutional
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Posted: 11/26/2022 11:14:37 PM EDT
[#43]
Bottom fucking line is simple- it was tested by FATF, it was approved, it was looked at, analyzed, tested from 1,000 different angles. It was ruled LEGAL. Period, full fucking stop. END OF DISCUSSION.
To come back, YEARS later, and arbitrarily declare them SBRs is ILLEGAL. Period. It's like the government said "hey, you can totally have a car with 600 HP. We're good, we analyzed cars with that much power, we determine them safe to drive. Go crazy." And then, years later, after telling us for YEARS that cars that were that powerful are safe to drive, and LEGAL...well no, they actually aren't. And if you don't sell your 600 HP beast, well, you're fucked, cause we said so. Fuck them and their rules. Bunch of pencil dick, paper pushing, cock slurping slack jawed faggots. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 11:16:55 PM EDT
[#44]
Quoted: They are assholes who hate freedom. Quoted: It's just the next stepping stone. Quoted: Gotta ph*c with people to prove they're impotent. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 11:17:08 PM EDT
[#45]
Takes away from their stamp profits
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Posted: 11/26/2022 11:51:59 PM EDT
[#46]
A tyrannical joke
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Posted: 11/27/2022 1:07:44 AM EDT
[#47]
They want to take away your firearms incrementally. The Camel's Nose in the tent...
Canada is the current testing ground. They don't have a 2nd Amendment but a lot of our politicians don't think that we do either. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 1:22:16 AM EDT
[#48]
Quoted: Concealable - NO, handguns are much more concealable. Accuracy - No, a longer barrel with a stock makes for much better accuracy. Deadlier - No, they aren't even in the running for types of guns used in deadly shootings. So, it's either 1; they want the 200 bux revenue, OR 2: They are just fucking assholes. I'm going with No.2 Because they are and always have been a way of getting around an unconstitutional law. Why is this a hard concept? |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 1:26:04 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The velocity loss is pretty severe from 20" to 16.5" to 12" barrel. https://rifleshooter.com/2015/12/223-remington-5-56mm-nato-barrel-length-and-velocity-26-inches-to-6-inches/ Why? I mean for certain reasons a shorter barrel could be ok, but for infantry work? I won't even mention the muzzle flash and report. This does not mean that I support the ATF's bullshit at all. I just question the practicality of rolling with a 12" barrel in a rural area. A bit off topic maybe, but this is arfcom. Oh no... does this mean we need to have the 12" 6.5 Grendel argument again? |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 1:26:41 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Designed and intended to be fired from the shoulder" SB Tactical, etc, say their products aren't designed or intended for firing from the shoulder. Kharn That's real retarded sir. |
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