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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:25:04 AM EDT
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I did have an officer keep some Black Talons in a 45 that was 'secured for our protection", however in retrospect; I think he asked if he could have them...
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:27:58 AM EDT
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Cite your source. I find this hard to believe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are close to 50 deaths so far this year of LEO's that have been shot during domestic disturbance calls. Cite your source. I find this hard to believe. The "50" number is bullshit. From the FBI: In 2012 a TOTAL of 47 LEOs were feloniously killed, and only 2 of those were during a Domestic Disturbance call. Link According to preliminary statistics released today by the FBI, 47 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed in the line of duty in 2012. The total number of officers killed is 25 fewer than the 72 officers who died in 2011. By region, 22 officers were killed as a result of criminal acts that occurred in the South, eight officers in the West, six officers in the Northeast, five officers died due to incidents in the Midwest, and six officers were killed in the U.S. territories of Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. By circumstance, 12 officers died from injuries inflicted while investigating suspicious persons or circumstances, eight who died were conducting traffic pursuits or stops, five were engaged in tactical situations, and five officers were killed as a result of ambushes (four due to entrapment/premeditated situations and one during an unprovoked attack). Four officers’ deaths occurred as a result of answering disturbance calls (two of which were domestic disturbance calls) and three officers were transporting, handling, or maintaining custody of prisoners. Two of the fallen officers sustained fatal injuries during drug-related matters, two were attempting to make other arrests, and two were performing investigative activities. Two officers were responding to robberies in progress, one was responding to a burglary in progress, and one officer was killed as a result of handling a person with a mental illness. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:28:09 AM EDT
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thats seems awful logical of you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call. thats seems awful logical of you. Is it? All an officer has to know is that the people in the home are unarmed and there are no firearms in the immediate area. If everyone is in say the LR, he can see them and there aren't any guns around and no one is armed, he need not go searching thru the house to find firearms. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:32:12 AM EDT
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I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call. Then you should keep your eyes on the people in the house. The gun won't hurt you. It's an inanimate object. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:39:56 AM EDT
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I'm not a JBT, but my guess would be that they don't take the TV's and DVR's because they make poor weapons.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:43:19 AM EDT
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The problem isn't them asking if you have any, or even them possibly wanting to hold them temporarily while they're there. The problem is a lot of cops come up with devious and lame excuses to try and take them permanently.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:43:31 AM EDT
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Rofl. Smart man. I won't even argue with em in those areas anymore  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I never interview women in the kitchen or the sewing room/area. Rofl. Smart man. I won't even argue with em in those areas anymore Never cuff up someone in front of their spouse or children unless you have no choice. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:45:34 AM EDT
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It varies state to state. Some areas like in liberal states cops will literally lie and exaggerate shit about people or an incident just to have an excuse to take guns and not give them back. Some cops also like to pretend they rule the world wherever they go, and in domestic cases it probably isn't the smartest idea to walk into someone else's house and act like you own the place with a cocky attitude, but they do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Meh. I remember the cops telling my stepfather to leave after I called them about him beating up my mom. They let him load up all of his guns and most(if not all) of my guns and then drive out of there drunk with a warning not to come back. Fortunately he didn't decide to come back and kill us later. I can certainly see why cops would take guns in certain situations. The cop is in charge and no one else. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:48:56 AM EDT
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I've never seen them seize kitchen knives, scissors, hammers, cleavers, axes, wasp spray, or any of the myriad of other 'weapons' that are in most houses. It seems odd to claim you are interested in weapons, but, only one specific type. I have no doubt it is dangerous to go to a DV call, but it seems to be a gaping hole in the 'find any weapons' policy when you are only inspecting guns. TRG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When watching the news reports of the cops going in to a house for anything, (domestic dispute, warrants, burglary investigation, illegal searches…etc) the first thing they look for are guns? If the gun is owned legally by a person in the house and not used in anyway related why would they seize the guns? …they don’t take the TV or DVR or car or the kitchen knife set. Why is law enforcement so infatuated with taking all the guns out of a house first thing? Just asking... Uhhhh, yeah. Going in on a DV call, warrant service etc...it's dangerous. I want to know who is in the house, where in the house and if there are any weapons. I've never seen them seize kitchen knives, scissors, hammers, cleavers, axes, wasp spray, or any of the myriad of other 'weapons' that are in most houses. It seems odd to claim you are interested in weapons, but, only one specific type. I have no doubt it is dangerous to go to a DV call, but it seems to be a gaping hole in the 'find any weapons' policy when you are only inspecting guns. TRG A person during the call is not not going to have access to any weapons. Guns are a higher danger level than other items. Also I don't inspect them, I just want to know where things are located. You go to arrest a guy, says let me put my shoes on, I'm going to walk with the person and make sure they don't grab weapon of any type. Also I don't use the term firearm or gun when asking the question. I ask are there any weapons and let the person define it. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:52:29 AM EDT
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I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call. 
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:52:47 AM EDT
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A person during the call is not not going to have access to any weapons. Guns are a higher danger level than other items. Also I don't inspect them, I just want to know where things are located. You go to arrest a guy, says let me put my shoes on, I'm going to walk with the person and make sure they don't grab weapon of any type. Also I don't use the term firearm or gun when asking the question. I ask are there any weapons and let the person define it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When watching the news reports of the cops going in to a house for anything, (domestic dispute, warrants, burglary investigation, illegal searches…etc) the first thing they look for are guns? If the gun is owned legally by a person in the house and not used in anyway related why would they seize the guns? …they don’t take the TV or DVR or car or the kitchen knife set. Why is law enforcement so infatuated with taking all the guns out of a house first thing? Just asking... Uhhhh, yeah. Going in on a DV call, warrant service etc...it's dangerous. I want to know who is in the house, where in the house and if there are any weapons. I've never seen them seize kitchen knives, scissors, hammers, cleavers, axes, wasp spray, or any of the myriad of other 'weapons' that are in most houses. It seems odd to claim you are interested in weapons, but, only one specific type. I have no doubt it is dangerous to go to a DV call, but it seems to be a gaping hole in the 'find any weapons' policy when you are only inspecting guns. TRG A person during the call is not not going to have access to any weapons. Guns are a higher danger level than other items. Also I don't inspect them, I just want to know where things are located. You go to arrest a guy, says let me put my shoes on, I'm going to walk with the person and make sure they don't grab weapon of any type. Also I don't use the term firearm or gun when asking the question. I ask are there any weapons and let the person define it. That's more or less where the majority of LOD deaths and injuries come from during DV right? |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:54:00 AM EDT
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As in all situations, it depends. If I there are guns within reach of the parties, especially in a domestic where tensions are already sky high, I'll ask the person to either move, or I'll grab the firearm, unload it, and place it away from them. I will ask who owns the firearms, but unless a crime occurs, or I have reason to believe the firearm was used in a crime, or is stolen, I leave them alone. Every single one of your replies in almost every thread makes me think I would love to have you as a neighbor or have a beer anytime. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:55:03 AM EDT
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What do you do with the kitchen knives, baseball bats, hammers, screwdrivers, lamps, candlesticks, etc? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call. What do you do with the kitchen knives, baseball bats, hammers, screwdrivers, lamps, candlesticks, etc? Kitchen sink? |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:56:47 AM EDT
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Every single one of your replies in almost every thread makes me think I would love to have you as a neighbor or have a beer anytime. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As in all situations, it depends. If I there are guns within reach of the parties, especially in a domestic where tensions are already sky high, I'll ask the person to either move, or I'll grab the firearm, unload it, and place it away from them. I will ask who owns the firearms, but unless a crime occurs, or I have reason to believe the firearm was used in a crime, or is stolen, I leave them alone. Every single one of your replies in almost every thread makes me think I would love to have you as a neighbor or have a beer anytime. he sheds, smells of dirty sex, and listens to burl ives when he gets drunk |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:57:10 AM EDT
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That's more or less where the majority of LOD deaths and injuries come from during DV right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A person during the call is not not going to have access to any weapons. Guns are a higher danger level than other items. Also I don't inspect them, I just want to know where things are located. You go to arrest a guy, says let me put my shoes on, I'm going to walk with the person and make sure they don't grab weapon of any type. Also I don't use the term firearm or gun when asking the question. I ask are there any weapons and let the person define it. That's more or less where the majority of LOD deaths and injuries come from during DV right? I don't know that number. IME, it's the guy that I have to put in cuffs on right away is generally where the fight starts. I've only had a couple of the let me get my shirt and shoes type want to bow up. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:58:05 AM EDT
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Same thing happened in this situation. It doesn't seem like their guns were going to harm anybody nor do these people sounds threatening.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/coast-guard-investigators-seize-journalists-records-in-gun-search-with-md-state-police/2013/10/25/4851ed08-3dcb-11e3-b0e7-716179a2c2c7_story.html |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:58:32 AM EDT
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They think you will try to kill them. And everyone on the other side of the blue line is a potential criminal. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:59:03 AM EDT
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The cop is in charge and no one else. Hence the 'disconnect'. I come from a long line of Cops, and even set out to be one (sometimes the Academy lessons are more that the grades on tests). The general feeling I have is 'my home is my castle' and any one that comes in here to tell ne 'where to stand, when to talk, and so on' can be damned... however they can do it to every other scumbag on the planet. Seems like the cop is screwed either way... ...and people wonder why they are 'assholes'. 
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Posted: 10/29/2013 9:13:00 AM EDT
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Every single one of your replies in almost every thread makes me think I would love to have you as a neighbor or have a beer anytime. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As in all situations, it depends. If I there are guns within reach of the parties, especially in a domestic where tensions are already sky high, I'll ask the person to either move, or I'll grab the firearm, unload it, and place it away from them. I will ask who owns the firearms, but unless a crime occurs, or I have reason to believe the firearm was used in a crime, or is stolen, I leave them alone. Every single one of your replies in almost every thread makes me think I would love to have you as a neighbor or have a beer anytime. Homo. TRG |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 9:14:47 AM EDT
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he sheds, smells of dirty sex, and listens to burl ives when he gets drunk Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As in all situations, it depends. If I there are guns within reach of the parties, especially in a domestic where tensions are already sky high, I'll ask the person to either move, or I'll grab the firearm, unload it, and place it away from them. I will ask who owns the firearms, but unless a crime occurs, or I have reason to believe the firearm was used in a crime, or is stolen, I leave them alone. Every single one of your replies in almost every thread makes me think I would love to have you as a neighbor or have a beer anytime. he sheds, smells of dirty sex, and listens to burl ives when he gets drunk So what are the downsides? |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 9:18:36 AM EDT
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Hence the 'disconnect'. I come from a long line of Cops, and even set out to be one (sometimes the Academy lessons are more that the grades on tests). The general feeling I have is 'my home is my castle' and any one that comes in here to tell ne 'where to stand, when to talk, and so on' can be damned... however they can do it to every other scumbag on the planet. Seems like the cop is screwed either way... ...and people wonder why they are 'assholes'. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The cop is in charge and no one else. Hence the 'disconnect'. I come from a long line of Cops, and even set out to be one (sometimes the Academy lessons are more that the grades on tests). The general feeling I have is 'my home is my castle' and any one that comes in here to tell ne 'where to stand, when to talk, and so on' can be damned... however they can do it to every other scumbag on the planet. Seems like the cop is screwed either way... ...and people wonder why they are 'assholes'. What a rookie soon learns is if you don't take charge of the situation, the situation goes out of control. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 9:30:00 AM EDT
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The "50" number is bullshit. From the FBI: In 2012 a TOTAL of 47 LEOs were feloniously killed, and only 2 of those were during a Domestic Disturbance call. Link According to preliminary statistics released today by the FBI, 47 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed in the line of duty in 2012. The total number of officers killed is 25 fewer than the 72 officers who died in 2011. By region, 22 officers were killed as a result of criminal acts that occurred in the South, eight officers in the West, six officers in the Northeast, five officers died due to incidents in the Midwest, and six officers were killed in the U.S. territories of Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. By circumstance, 12 officers died from injuries inflicted while investigating suspicious persons or circumstances, eight who died were conducting traffic pursuits or stops, five were engaged in tactical situations, and five officers were killed as a result of ambushes (four due to entrapment/premeditated situations and one during an unprovoked attack). Four officers’ deaths occurred as a result of answering disturbance calls (two of which were domestic disturbance calls) and three officers were transporting, handling, or maintaining custody of prisoners. Two of the fallen officers sustained fatal injuries during drug-related matters, two were attempting to make other arrests, and two were performing investigative activities. Two officers were responding to robberies in progress, one was responding to a burglary in progress, and one officer was killed as a result of handling a person with a mental illness. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are close to 50 deaths so far this year of LEO's that have been shot during domestic disturbance calls. Cite your source. I find this hard to believe. The "50" number is bullshit. From the FBI: In 2012 a TOTAL of 47 LEOs were feloniously killed, and only 2 of those were during a Domestic Disturbance call. Link According to preliminary statistics released today by the FBI, 47 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed in the line of duty in 2012. The total number of officers killed is 25 fewer than the 72 officers who died in 2011. By region, 22 officers were killed as a result of criminal acts that occurred in the South, eight officers in the West, six officers in the Northeast, five officers died due to incidents in the Midwest, and six officers were killed in the U.S. territories of Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. By circumstance, 12 officers died from injuries inflicted while investigating suspicious persons or circumstances, eight who died were conducting traffic pursuits or stops, five were engaged in tactical situations, and five officers were killed as a result of ambushes (four due to entrapment/premeditated situations and one during an unprovoked attack). Four officers’ deaths occurred as a result of answering disturbance calls (two of which were domestic disturbance calls) and three officers were transporting, handling, or maintaining custody of prisoners. Two of the fallen officers sustained fatal injuries during drug-related matters, two were attempting to make other arrests, and two were performing investigative activities. Two officers were responding to robberies in progress, one was responding to a burglary in progress, and one officer was killed as a result of handling a person with a mental illness. Heck, according to that it's just as dangerous to fall on a drug arrest than it is to go to a DV call. Or make an "investigation". |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 9:38:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know not all the guns they seize and come up with an excuse to keep.. are not "being destroyed." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hey....cut them some slack....They can't afford to BUY their throw-downs!!!!! So a lot of them have the mindset of "that could be ours" when deciding to take guns away. Unfortunately too many cops have a jealousy complex.  |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 9:49:09 AM EDT
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I'm in on this one.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 9:54:08 AM EDT
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Easily one of the dumbest f**kng things I've ever read here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hey....cut them some slack....They can't afford to BUY their throw-downs!!!!! So a lot of them have the mindset of "that could be ours" when deciding to take guns away. Unfortunately too many cops have a jealousy complex. Easily one of the dumbest f**kng things I've ever read here. It's up there for sure. It's not up to "Bush ordered the FBI to let the hijackers board the planes on 9/11" or "we need another 9/11 type attack" which are number 1 and 2 for me, but it is up there. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 9:54:14 AM EDT
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Heck, according to that it's just as dangerous to fall on a drug arrest than it is to go to a DV call. Or make an "investigation". A cop getting shot and living is listed as an assault. ¦Law enforcement agencies reported that 53,469 officers were assaulted while performing their duties in 2010. ¦The rate of officer assaults in 2010 was 10.0 per 100 sworn officers. ¦26.1 percent of the officers assaulted sustained injuries. ¦27.4 percent of the officers who were attacked with personal weapons (e.g., hands, fists, or feet) suffered injuries. ¦14.1 percent of the officers who were assaulted with knives or other cutting instruments were injured. ¦11.6 percent of officers who were attacked with firearms were injured. ¦23.4 percent of officers who were attacked with other dangerous weapons were injured. ¦33.0 percent were responding to disturbance calls (family quarrels, bar fights, etc.). ¦14.7 percent of the officers assaulted were attempting other arrests. ¦In 2010, 81.8 percent of officers who were assaulted in the line of duty were attacked with personal weapons (e.g. hands, fists, or feet). ¦3.4 percent of the officers were assaulted with firearms. ¦1.7 percent of the officers were assaulted with knives or other cutting instruments. ¦13.1 percent of the officers were assaulted with other dangerous weapons. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/leoka-2010/officers-assaulted |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 10:09:57 AM EDT
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wouldnt want someone to shoot back when u go for the dawg now would ya
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Posted: 10/29/2013 10:38:35 AM EDT
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A person during the call is not not going to have access to any weapons. Guns are a higher danger level than other items. Also I don't inspect them, I just want to know where things are located. You go to arrest a guy, says let me put my shoes on, I'm going to walk with the person and make sure they don't grab weapon of any type. Also I don't use the term firearm or gun when asking the question. I ask are there any weapons and let the person define it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When watching the news reports of the cops going in to a house for anything, (domestic dispute, warrants, burglary investigation, illegal searches…etc) the first thing they look for are guns? If the gun is owned legally by a person in the house and not used in anyway related why would they seize the guns? …they don’t take the TV or DVR or car or the kitchen knife set. Why is law enforcement so infatuated with taking all the guns out of a house first thing? Just asking... Uhhhh, yeah. Going in on a DV call, warrant service etc...it's dangerous. I want to know who is in the house, where in the house and if there are any weapons. I've never seen them seize kitchen knives, scissors, hammers, cleavers, axes, wasp spray, or any of the myriad of other 'weapons' that are in most houses. It seems odd to claim you are interested in weapons, but, only one specific type. I have no doubt it is dangerous to go to a DV call, but it seems to be a gaping hole in the 'find any weapons' policy when you are only inspecting guns. TRG A person during the call is not not going to have access to any weapons. Guns are a higher danger level than other items. Also I don't inspect them, I just want to know where things are located. You go to arrest a guy, says let me put my shoes on, I'm going to walk with the person and make sure they don't grab weapon of any type. Also I don't use the term firearm or gun when asking the question. I ask are there any weapons and let the person define it. That sounds pretty fair to me. Isn't the best thing to move everyone outside? I would be concerned that the person that intends to use a firearm isn't going to tell you where it is. They'll tell you where the safe is but not about the handgun they stashed under the living room couch. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 10:51:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got the figure for number of dogs shot by LEOs?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Power trips. There are close to 50 deaths so far this year of LEO's that have been shot during domestic disturbance calls. Who's tripping? Got the figure for number of dogs shot by LEOs? Cold-Linked on purpose. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 10:56:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call. Drain cleaner is in the kitchen cupboard. Muriatic acid is out by the pool. Knives are in the butcher block. Gasoline is in the garage. Smokeless powder is in the reloading room. Point is.... If I had bad intent, I could hurt you very quickly with any number of things in my house. Why are you concerned about guns that are not in my hand, but not the above items? |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 10:57:19 AM EDT
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That sounds pretty fair to me. Isn't the best thing to move everyone outside? I would be concerned that the person that intends to use a firearm isn't going to tell you where it is. They'll tell you where the safe is but not about the handgun they stashed under the living room couch. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A person during the call is not not going to have access to any weapons. Guns are a higher danger level than other items. Also I don't inspect them, I just want to know where things are located. You go to arrest a guy, says let me put my shoes on, I'm going to walk with the person and make sure they don't grab weapon of any type. Also I don't use the term firearm or gun when asking the question. I ask are there any weapons and let the person define it. That sounds pretty fair to me. Isn't the best thing to move everyone outside? I would be concerned that the person that intends to use a firearm isn't going to tell you where it is. They'll tell you where the safe is but not about the handgun they stashed under the living room couch. Easier to control people and the situation inside. Also you can put one person in one room with an officer and another person in a different room to interview them. You don't want to be in the yard airing folks dirty laundry out to the neighbors. You search the furniture where a peson will be seated. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 11:03:23 AM EDT
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If it worries you that much, don't go into the house! Speak with the person outside! It's much safer especially if the person lies as to the whereabouts of said weapons! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call. If it worries you that much, don't go into the house! Speak with the person outside! It's much safer especially if the person lies as to the whereabouts of said weapons! They want to go into your house to search for evidence of other crimes. Don't invite the man into your life (house). |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 11:04:23 AM EDT
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Easier to control people and the situation inside. Also you can put one person in one room with an officer and another person in a different room to interview them. You don't want to be in the yard airing folks dirty laundry out to the neighbors. You search the furniture where a peson will be seated. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A person during the call is not not going to have access to any weapons. Guns are a higher danger level than other items. Also I don't inspect them, I just want to know where things are located. You go to arrest a guy, says let me put my shoes on, I'm going to walk with the person and make sure they don't grab weapon of any type. Also I don't use the term firearm or gun when asking the question. I ask are there any weapons and let the person define it. That sounds pretty fair to me. Isn't the best thing to move everyone outside? I would be concerned that the person that intends to use a firearm isn't going to tell you where it is. They'll tell you where the safe is but not about the handgun they stashed under the living room couch. Easier to control people and the situation inside. Also you can put one person in one room with an officer and another person in a different room to interview them. You don't want to be in the yard airing folks dirty laundry out to the neighbors. You search the furniture where a peson will be seated. Gotcha. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 11:04:59 AM EDT
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A cop getting shot and living is listed as an assault. ¦Law enforcement agencies reported that 53,469 officers were assaulted while performing their duties in 2010. ¦The rate of officer assaults in 2010 was 10.0 per 100 sworn officers. ¦26.1 percent of the officers assaulted sustained injuries. ¦27.4 percent of the officers who were attacked with personal weapons (e.g., hands, fists, or feet) suffered injuries. ¦14.1 percent of the officers who were assaulted with knives or other cutting instruments were injured. ¦11.6 percent of officers who were attacked with firearms were injured. ¦23.4 percent of officers who were attacked with other dangerous weapons were injured. ¦33.0 percent were responding to disturbance calls (family quarrels, bar fights, etc.). ¦14.7 percent of the officers assaulted were attempting other arrests. ¦In 2010, 81.8 percent of officers who were assaulted in the line of duty were attacked with personal weapons (e.g. hands, fists, or feet). ¦3.4 percent of the officers were assaulted with firearms. ¦1.7 percent of the officers were assaulted with knives or other cutting instruments. ¦13.1 percent of the officers were assaulted with other dangerous weapons. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/leoka-2010/officers-assaulted Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Heck, according to that it's just as dangerous to fall on a drug arrest than it is to go to a DV call. Or make an "investigation". A cop getting shot and living is listed as an assault. ¦Law enforcement agencies reported that 53,469 officers were assaulted while performing their duties in 2010. ¦The rate of officer assaults in 2010 was 10.0 per 100 sworn officers. ¦26.1 percent of the officers assaulted sustained injuries. ¦27.4 percent of the officers who were attacked with personal weapons (e.g., hands, fists, or feet) suffered injuries. ¦14.1 percent of the officers who were assaulted with knives or other cutting instruments were injured. ¦11.6 percent of officers who were attacked with firearms were injured. ¦23.4 percent of officers who were attacked with other dangerous weapons were injured. ¦33.0 percent were responding to disturbance calls (family quarrels, bar fights, etc.). ¦14.7 percent of the officers assaulted were attempting other arrests. ¦In 2010, 81.8 percent of officers who were assaulted in the line of duty were attacked with personal weapons (e.g. hands, fists, or feet). ¦3.4 percent of the officers were assaulted with firearms. ¦1.7 percent of the officers were assaulted with knives or other cutting instruments. ¦13.1 percent of the officers were assaulted with other dangerous weapons. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/leoka-2010/officers-assaulted And also any touching of the officer is "assault". Or a cop throws a guy on the ground and breaks his arm attempting to handcuff him, and then guy resists because his arm is being broken, and it's assault. Any "assault" data on police officers is meaningless, because cops call anything assault and also charge people for assault when the person tries to protect themselves from being injured by police during detainment or arrest. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 11:08:43 AM EDT
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And also any touching of the officer is "assault". Or a cop throws a guy on the ground and breaks his arm attempting to handcuff him, and then guy resists because his arm is being broken, and it's assault. Any "assault" data on police officers is meaningless, because cops call anything assault and also charge people for assault when the person tries to protect themselves from being injured by police during detainment or arrest. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Heck, according to that it's just as dangerous to fall on a drug arrest than it is to go to a DV call. Or make an "investigation". A cop getting shot and living is listed as an assault. ¦Law enforcement agencies reported that 53,469 officers were assaulted while performing their duties in 2010. ¦The rate of officer assaults in 2010 was 10.0 per 100 sworn officers. ¦26.1 percent of the officers assaulted sustained injuries. ¦27.4 percent of the officers who were attacked with personal weapons (e.g., hands, fists, or feet) suffered injuries. ¦14.1 percent of the officers who were assaulted with knives or other cutting instruments were injured. ¦11.6 percent of officers who were attacked with firearms were injured. ¦23.4 percent of officers who were attacked with other dangerous weapons were injured. ¦33.0 percent were responding to disturbance calls (family quarrels, bar fights, etc.). ¦14.7 percent of the officers assaulted were attempting other arrests. ¦In 2010, 81.8 percent of officers who were assaulted in the line of duty were attacked with personal weapons (e.g. hands, fists, or feet). ¦3.4 percent of the officers were assaulted with firearms. ¦1.7 percent of the officers were assaulted with knives or other cutting instruments. ¦13.1 percent of the officers were assaulted with other dangerous weapons. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/leoka-2010/officers-assaulted And also any touching of the officer is "assault". Or a cop throws a guy on the ground and breaks his arm attempting to handcuff him, and then guy resists because his arm is being broken, and it's assault. Any "assault" data on police officers is meaningless, because cops call anything assault and also charge people for assault when the person tries to protect themselves from being injured by police during detainment or arrest. Actually, no. And if it is like most places the assault only gets reported, no charges. Almost have to go to the hospital. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 11:09:48 AM EDT
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I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call. This |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 11:10:03 AM EDT
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Easier to control people and the situation inside. Also you can put one person in one room with an officer and another person in a different room to interview them. You don't want to be in the yard airing folks dirty laundry out to the neighbors. You search the furniture where a peson will be seated. Gotcha. I forgot one. Line of sight. If the two players can't see each other less chance of one being intimidated or a shouting match getting started. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 11:15:42 AM EDT
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Actually, no. And if it is like most places the assault only gets reported, no charges. Almost have to go to the hospital. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Heck, according to that it's just as dangerous to fall on a drug arrest than it is to go to a DV call. Or make an "investigation". A cop getting shot and living is listed as an assault. ¦Law enforcement agencies reported that 53,469 officers were assaulted while performing their duties in 2010. ¦The rate of officer assaults in 2010 was 10.0 per 100 sworn officers. ¦26.1 percent of the officers assaulted sustained injuries. ¦27.4 percent of the officers who were attacked with personal weapons (e.g., hands, fists, or feet) suffered injuries. ¦14.1 percent of the officers who were assaulted with knives or other cutting instruments were injured. ¦11.6 percent of officers who were attacked with firearms were injured. ¦23.4 percent of officers who were attacked with other dangerous weapons were injured. ¦33.0 percent were responding to disturbance calls (family quarrels, bar fights, etc.). ¦14.7 percent of the officers assaulted were attempting other arrests. ¦In 2010, 81.8 percent of officers who were assaulted in the line of duty were attacked with personal weapons (e.g. hands, fists, or feet). ¦3.4 percent of the officers were assaulted with firearms. ¦1.7 percent of the officers were assaulted with knives or other cutting instruments. ¦13.1 percent of the officers were assaulted with other dangerous weapons. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/leoka-2010/officers-assaulted And also any touching of the officer is "assault". Or a cop throws a guy on the ground and breaks his arm attempting to handcuff him, and then guy resists because his arm is being broken, and it's assault. Any "assault" data on police officers is meaningless, because cops call anything assault and also charge people for assault when the person tries to protect themselves from being injured by police during detainment or arrest. Actually, no. And if it is like most places the assault only gets reported, no charges. Almost have to go to the hospital. Are you saying that someone can assault a police officer and as long as the cop doesn't have to go to the hospital, no assault charges will be filed? |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 11:27:03 AM EDT
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Uhhhh, yeah. Going in on a DV call, warrant service etc...it's dangerous. I want to know who is in the house, where in the house and if there are any weapons. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When watching the news reports of the cops going in to a house for anything, (domestic dispute, warrants, burglary investigation, illegal searches…etc) the first thing they look for are guns? If the gun is owned legally by a person in the house and not used in anyway related why would they seize the guns? …they don’t take the TV or DVR or car or the kitchen knife set. Why is law enforcement so infatuated with taking all the guns out of a house first thing? Just asking... Uhhhh, yeah. Going in on a DV call, warrant service etc...it's dangerous. I want to know who is in the house, where in the house and if there are any weapons. Agreed. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 11:29:16 AM EDT
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Are you saying that someone can assault a police officer and as long as the cop doesn't have to go to the hospital, no assault charges will be filed? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Heck, according to that it's just as dangerous to fall on a drug arrest than it is to go to a DV call. Or make an "investigation". A cop getting shot and living is listed as an assault. ¦Law enforcement agencies reported that 53,469 officers were assaulted while performing their duties in 2010. ¦The rate of officer assaults in 2010 was 10.0 per 100 sworn officers. ¦26.1 percent of the officers assaulted sustained injuries. ¦27.4 percent of the officers who were attacked with personal weapons (e.g., hands, fists, or feet) suffered injuries. ¦14.1 percent of the officers who were assaulted with knives or other cutting instruments were injured. ¦11.6 percent of officers who were attacked with firearms were injured. ¦23.4 percent of officers who were attacked with other dangerous weapons were injured. ¦33.0 percent were responding to disturbance calls (family quarrels, bar fights, etc.). ¦14.7 percent of the officers assaulted were attempting other arrests. ¦In 2010, 81.8 percent of officers who were assaulted in the line of duty were attacked with personal weapons (e.g. hands, fists, or feet). ¦3.4 percent of the officers were assaulted with firearms. ¦1.7 percent of the officers were assaulted with knives or other cutting instruments. ¦13.1 percent of the officers were assaulted with other dangerous weapons. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/leoka-2010/officers-assaulted And also any touching of the officer is "assault". Or a cop throws a guy on the ground and breaks his arm attempting to handcuff him, and then guy resists because his arm is being broken, and it's assault. Any "assault" data on police officers is meaningless, because cops call anything assault and also charge people for assault when the person tries to protect themselves from being injured by police during detainment or arrest. Actually, no. And if it is like most places the assault only gets reported, no charges. Almost have to go to the hospital. Are you saying that someone can assault a police officer and as long as the cop doesn't have to go to the hospital, no assault charges will be filed? No, what he said was that normally if there is no serious injuries the prosecutor will normally not pursue it. Or that charges are not normally filed without seriious injury. He is correct. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 11:29:41 AM EDT
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Actually, no. And if it is like most places the assault only gets reported, no charges. Almost have to go to the hospital. Are you saying that someone can assault a police officer and as long as the cop doesn't have to go to the hospital, no assault charges will be filed? Yes. No point in it when a DA will dismiss it as being part of the job. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 11:32:50 AM EDT
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http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1850434439/puppycide-the-documentary/description Cold-Linked on purpose. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Power trips. There are close to 50 deaths so far this year of LEO's that have been shot during domestic disturbance calls. Who's tripping? Got the figure for number of dogs shot by LEOs?
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Posted: 10/29/2013 11:38:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So they can sell them on EE. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When watching the news reports of the cops going in to a house for anything, (domestic dispute, warrants, burglary investigation, illegal searches…etc) the first thing they look for are guns? If the gun is owned legally by a person in the house and not used in anyway related why would they seize the guns? …they don’t take the TV or DVR or car or the kitchen knife set. Why is law enforcement so infatuated with taking all the guns out of a house first thing? Just asking... So they can sell them on EE.  |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 11:50:57 AM EDT
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Yes. No point in it when a DA will dismiss it as being part of the job. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Actually, no. And if it is like most places the assault only gets reported, no charges. Almost have to go to the hospital. Are you saying that someone can assault a police officer and as long as the cop doesn't have to go to the hospital, no assault charges will be filed? Yes. No point in it when a DA will dismiss it as being part of the job. Kinda like this? 
Madison man charged with aggravated assault on police officer By Independent Press on October 29, 2013 at 2:11 PM http://www.nj.com/independentpress/index.ssf/2013/10/madison_man_charged_with_aggra.html MADISON — A local resident was charged with aggravated assault of a police officer and more after he allegedly pushed a police officer who tried to help him push his car into a gas station. According to police, at about 10:15 p.m. on Oct. 17, an officer saw a man, later identified as Jacob Locket III, 61, of Madison, driving his car in the area of Greenwood Avenue near Elmer Street. A few moments later, the officer saw the same man trying to push his car into the lot of a nearby gas station and went to help. When the officer got near Locket, he allegedly smelled alcohol on Locket’s breath and had him perform field sobriety tests. During the testing, Locket allegedly pushed the police officer. He was charged with aggravated assault on a police officer, driving while intoxicated, driving while intoxicated within 1,000 feet of a school zone, refusal to consent to a breath test, driving with a suspended license, uninsured vehicle, unregistered vehicle, failure to inspect, two counts of failure to exhibit documents, and careless driving. Bail was set at $2,500 and he was held in the Morris County Correctional Facility with a court appearance pending. Or this example: Conway man charged with four counts of aggravated assault of officer Link A Conway man has been charged with four counts of aggravated assault of a certified law enforcement officer after police say he spit on multiple officers following his involvement in a vehicle accident with a train. Police arrived on scene of an accident involving a train around 2:44 a.m. Sunday at the intersection of Tyler and Donaghey streets. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 12:00:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2013 12:22:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. No point in it when a DA will dismiss it as being part of the job. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Actually, no. And if it is like most places the assault only gets reported, no charges. Almost have to go to the hospital. Are you saying that someone can assault a police officer and as long as the cop doesn't have to go to the hospital, no assault charges will be filed? Yes. No point in it when a DA will dismiss it as being part of the job. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 1:35:22 PM EDT
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Just curious...what if the homeowner has all his firearms locked up in a safe?
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Posted: 10/29/2013 2:23:07 PM EDT
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Meh. I remember the cops telling my stepfather to leave after I called them about him beating up my mom. They let him load up all of his guns and most(if not all) of my guns and then drive out of there drunk with a warning not to come back. Fortunately he didn't decide to come back and kill us later. I can certainly see why cops would take guns in certain situations. The cop is in charge and no one else. Not inside MY house!
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Posted: 10/29/2013 2:24:44 PM EDT
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Just curious...what if the homeowner has all his firearms locked up in a safe? That's where I keep my extra fancy china. Honestly look at a DV call just like a pulled over vehicle. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 2:26:44 PM EDT
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I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call. Its none your damn business where the guns are, why are you at my house? Eta, please dont shoot my dogs, 
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