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Posted: 12/16/2016 10:10:57 PM EDT
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I installed a Geiselle rail for a customer a couple of days ago. It looked great and felt solid. However, it felt a little large and blocky. Not terrible but not sleek. Kind of how a Glock 21 feels. One of my only complaints with G rails, they aren't exactly ergonomic. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 10:16:14 PM EDT
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Alg - so far I have 3 of their rails. A new budget vo-e model, a v2 and a v3
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Posted: 12/16/2016 10:17:44 PM EDT
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KeyModfobes...
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Posted: 12/16/2016 10:22:04 PM EDT
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One of my only complaints with G rails, they aren't exactly ergonomic. I agree. I have a 15 Mk8 FDE. never installed. I'm thinking about selling it because it's....not right. It's not ergonomic. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 10:37:57 PM EDT
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I've been happy with my MI rails. I do use the supplied green loctite.
The 2A armament rails look nice and are great for weight. I wish they had built in qd sling attachment points. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 10:38:50 PM EDT
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I agree. I have a 15 Mk8 FDE. never installed. I'm thinking about selling it because it's....not right. It's not ergonomic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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One of my only complaints with G rails, they aren't exactly ergonomic. I agree. I have a 15 Mk8 FDE. never installed. I'm thinking about selling it because it's....not right. It's not ergonomic. Yeah, I always describe it as having nearly the bulk of a quad rail without the cheese grater feel. Outside of some specific circumstances/accessory requirements, it doesn't bother me though. 
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Posted: 12/16/2016 10:52:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/16/2016 10:58:01 PM EDT
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I am partial to 2A Armament rails.
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Posted: 12/16/2016 11:09:00 PM EDT
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I think key mod and Molok are a step back.
Both are weaker then a plain old Picatinny rail. Change for the sake of change and to market something different. A slick side with bolt on Picatinny rail sections is the best option in my OP. If the market takes a step back so be it. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 11:13:30 PM EDT
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I think key mod and Molok are a step back. Both are weaker then a plain old Picatinny rail. Change for the sake of change and to market something different. A slick side with bolt on Picatinny rail sections is the best option in my OP. If the market takes a step back so be it. How is bolting on rail sections any different than bolting on a mount directly (via Keymod or MLOK)? |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 11:25:17 PM EDT
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How is bolting on rail sections any different than bolting on a mount directly (via Keymod or MLOK)? Way more solid and less likely to move. A bolted on rail section is solid. A Picatinny rail is best just slightly heavier. I think the whole molok and key mod thing is just a marketing gimmick to sell proprietary parts to their system. I think it's a step back from Picatinny rails. They are a cool option just a step back in my op. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 11:38:17 PM EDT
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Way more solid and less likely to move. A bolted on rail section is solid. A Picatinny rail is best just slightly heavier. I think the whole molok and key mod thing is just a marketing gimmick to sell proprietary parts to their system. I think it's a step back from Picatinny rails. They are a cool option just a step back in my op. I kind of agree with this. But, the good thing about keymod and mlok is that they are standards so things that are made to those standards should interchange. With slick handguards and truly proprietary mounting methods for rail sections and accessories (how it was before keymod/mlok) it meant you were sort of stuck with the mfg of the handguard for those add-ons. There was *some* crossover and some variety of mounts available for certain handguards, but now there's more available and at lower costs when you go with the standards. I still prefer a bolt on rail/mount or actual picatinny as part of the handguard. ETA: I forgot...my favorite mlok handguard is Larue. Oh...they don't make one. But if they did that'd be my favorite. From all that I've used so far I'd say SLR is my favorite mlok handguard though. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 11:45:40 PM EDT
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I liked the bolt on smooth tubes as well.
The DD MFR was excellent as an option for this. 
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Posted: 12/16/2016 11:48:21 PM EDT
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Geissele because they are the shit. http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p550/Detrhoyt/Guns/20160804_085407_zpsi2khjir7.jpg Geissele |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 11:51:11 PM EDT
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Centurion CMR M-Lok.
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Posted: 12/17/2016 12:08:13 AM EDT
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ALG MLOK V3.. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 12:09:08 AM EDT
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Way more solid and less likely to move. A bolted on rail section is solid. A Picatinny rail is best just slightly heavier. I think the whole molok and key mod thing is just a marketing gimmick to sell proprietary parts to their system. I think it's a step back from Picatinny rails. They are a cool option just a step back in my op. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How is bolting on rail sections any different than bolting on a mount directly (via Keymod or MLOK)? Way more solid and less likely to move. A bolted on rail section is solid. A Picatinny rail is best just slightly heavier. I think the whole molok and key mod thing is just a marketing gimmick to sell proprietary parts to their system. I think it's a step back from Picatinny rails. They are a cool option just a step back in my op. So you wouldn't have an issue with bolting on a rail section to an MLOK or Keymod handguard and going from there? ETA: Also Keymod and MLOK are not really proprietary (quite the opposite actually) they're more like a standard, no different than Picatinny. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 12:22:20 AM EDT
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Another vote for MI MLOK rails...
I have the Gen 3 AR rails, the .308 MLOK rail, and just recently got a Suppressor Compatible MLOK rail for my 9mm AR. I appreciate that they are less expensive than many, still look good, are easy to install, and are lightweight. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 12:32:06 AM EDT
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Favorite or best value?
Best value for me are the MI rails. I have three or four MLOKs and they're fantastic 
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Posted: 12/17/2016 12:32:28 AM EDT
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So you wouldn't have an issue with bolting on a rail section to an MLOK or Keymod handguard and going from there? ETA: Also Keymod and MLOK are not really proprietary (quite the opposite actually) they're more like a standard, no different than Picatinny. They are both weak anchor points to mount a rail section or an accessory. A bolt on rail is solid. With a bolt on rail section all that would be needed to make a standard is the thread count and distance between bolt holes. Better yet is the old picatinny rail. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 12:34:08 AM EDT
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ALG EMR V2 M-LOK
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Posted: 12/17/2016 2:28:11 AM EDT
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Alg
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Posted: 12/17/2016 2:34:06 AM EDT
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I really want to like the Geisseles but the ALG EMR just feels better in my hand. The Geisseles feel a hair more robust though.
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Posted: 12/17/2016 3:00:54 AM EDT
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They are both[size=4]<font color="#ff0000"> weak anchor points</font></font> to mount a rail section or an accessory. A bolt on rail is solid. With a bolt on rail section all that would be needed to make a standard is the thread count and distance between bolt holes. Better yet is the old picatinny rail. Do you have actual data to back that up or is this just a hunch on your part? |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 3:04:21 AM EDT
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Geissele
I also like my ALG and SLR 
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Posted: 12/17/2016 3:06:17 AM EDT
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Geissele
ALG |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 5:33:02 AM EDT
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I like my NSR, but it is skinny and nothing is able to be mounted over the gas block or the pig.
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Posted: 12/17/2016 7:10:15 AM EDT
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Geiselle. Yep. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 8:53:00 AM EDT
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I really need to get a ALG to try out.
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Posted: 12/17/2016 11:50:14 AM EDT
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Want to go budget? Look at Aero @ Schyulers. So bored I even looked it up for you. Dealer is on ARF and GTG. rail damn thats a good looking rail for the price. I own a couple and I have been very happy. Caveat: Made for their enhanced upper (which is awesome) or buy a $22 BAR barrel nut . Mounts to a Aero Precision M4E1 upper or purchase a BAR Aero Precision barrel nut to use on a standard upper |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 12:29:57 PM EDT
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Yep. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 12:48:08 PM EDT
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I own a couple and I have been very happy. Caveat: Made for their enhanced upper (which is awesome) or buy a $22 BAR barrel nut . Mounts to a Aero Precision M4E1 upper or purchase a BAR Aero Precision barrel nut to use on a standard upper Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Want to go budget? Look at Aero @ Schyulers. So bored I even looked it up for you. Dealer is on ARF and GTG. rail damn thats a good looking rail for the price. I own a couple and I have been very happy. Caveat: Made for their enhanced upper (which is awesome) or buy a $22 BAR barrel nut . Mounts to a Aero Precision M4E1 upper or purchase a BAR Aero Precision barrel nut to use on a standard upper I own two of the Enahnced M LOK rails and use the BAR. Super light, well first finished , secures well and has anti rotation tabs but it doesn't have a built in QD. My only complaint. Definitely like them over the Seekins I grabbed but never used. I was pretty certain I wanted G product on the last build but gave up the weight on the HG for a heavier barrel. Happy with the decision and to be honest I don't use 85% of any rail for anything more than a HG. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 1:37:09 PM EDT
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That exactly what I said. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 1:41:16 PM EDT
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Geiselle. Yep. This |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 1:48:41 PM EDT
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KAC URX4
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Posted: 12/17/2016 2:00:44 PM EDT
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I own two of the Enahnced M LOK rails and use the BAR. Super light, well first finished , secures well and has anti rotation tabs but it doesn't have a built in QD. My only complaint. Definitely like them over the Seekins I grabbed but never used. I was pretty certain I wanted G product on the last build but gave up the weight on the HG for a heavier barrel. Happy with the decision and to be honest I don't use 85% of any rail for anything more than a HG. I purchased the M4E1 enhanced receiver as well as the enhanced handguards. Great combo for the price. I like that it's essentially a monolithic rail. That being said, Aero released a new Gen 2 version of their handguards that feature a built in QD socket a few days ago, so get ready to spend more money. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 2:29:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/17/2016 2:38:30 PM EDT
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I like my Geissele MK8, but I also like the simpler and cheaper ALG I threw on my pistol AR. Either pretty much appears ready for action.
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Posted: 12/17/2016 2:39:39 PM EDT
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UTG
Honestly not bad though but I still have a a Gieselle and MI allegedly coming from Santa |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 2:46:42 PM EDT
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Geissele all the things. Love their rails.
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Posted: 12/17/2016 2:54:30 PM EDT
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Out of all the manufactures who do you all think has the most secure "Best" method of attaching the rail to the upper
That is the main selling point for me. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 3:09:42 PM EDT
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SLR makes the nicest rails with alot of options.
At this point BCM is just stupid at this point, cutting off their nose to spite their face. I can't imagine the tens of thousands of dollars they have lost by not making an MLR. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 3:23:09 PM EDT
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SLR makes the nicest rails with alot of options. At this point BCM is just stupid at this point, cutting off their nose to spite their face. I can't imagine the tens of thousands of dollars they have lost by not making an MLR. I would have bought an MLR yesterday. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 3:54:31 PM EDT
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KAC URX4 This one for me, but it is the only MLOK rail that I've used. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 3:59:24 PM EDT
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I would like a V Seven Lithium Aluminum on a TI KMR barrel nut MLOK if they could get together on it...
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Posted: 12/17/2016 4:00:53 PM EDT
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Midwest ind sp rail.
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Posted: 12/17/2016 4:05:34 PM EDT
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Out of all the manufactures who do you all think has the most secure "Best" method of attaching the rail to the upper<img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle> That is the main selling point for me. Hard to beat the system Geissele has come up with, IMO. I looked at the MI rails a good but before choosing Geissele, and just couldn't get past having to use Loctite to basically glue the rail into place (at least that's how it looked like it worked to me). |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 4:22:33 PM EDT
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Geissele MK8 or go home
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Posted: 12/17/2016 6:02:59 PM EDT
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Favorite or best value? Best value for me are the MI rails. I have three or four MLOKs and they're fantastic I'm with you. They make a great product, it works good. and here is the best part... I don't have to shell out a ton of cash for a rail. Big MI fan, and their local boys in my state... Win. I see no reason to spend over $200 on a MLOK rail system. |
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