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Posted: 4/22/2016 9:14:08 AM EDT

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i thought all you fellas were obsessed with polling data, if so it's time to get behind Kasich

Posted: 4/22/2016 9:18:12 AM EDT

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OK how is this thread not considered trolling at this point? You didnt want a discussion or debate. You just posted this to insult and get negative responses. Congrats. You are making it harder and harder to possibly pull for Trump in the General.

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I guess the Cruz folks are just super vocal. It might explain why they're voting Hillary in the polls.

OK how is this thread not considered trolling at this point? You didnt want a discussion or debate. You just posted this to insult and get negative responses. Congrats. You are making it harder and harder to possibly pull for Trump in the General.

I don't remember you bitching over any of the the Hughjafj threads.

Posted: 4/22/2016 9:18:52 AM EDT

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Pole is fail. No choice for Deez Nutz.

Posted: 4/22/2016 9:35:01 AM EDT

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Trump's rhetoric sounds more like Hillary's "FREE SHIT FOR EVERYONE" than any other R.

Posted: 4/22/2016 9:37:01 AM EDT

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Never mind the MSM and its propaganda. It's the Don and the controllers of the MSM hate him.

Posted: 4/22/2016 9:40:11 AM EDT

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It's not merely a matter of winning. It's also a matter of the victory being worthwhile. A Kasich presidency would be a democrat presidency in everything but name, therefore a Kasich victory would actually be a defeat.

Posted: 4/22/2016 9:51:26 AM EDT

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It's obviously Cruz. I mean the man has skills, he managed to come in 4th in a two-man race

Posted: 4/22/2016 9:54:59 AM EDT

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As soon as the media starts releasing the dozens commercials of gaffs that Trump has made against everyone on the planet but for male whites his numbers will change.

Posted: 4/22/2016 9:57:30 AM EDT

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You didn't hear? Trump's in favor of people being able to use any bathroom they want. So now he's pissing off even his white male base.

Posted: 4/22/2016 10:06:37 AM EDT

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Posted: 4/22/2016 10:08:24 AM EDT

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Me. I stand as good a chance as anyone at beating Hillary. Maybe I 'll go to Cleveland and shake things up.

Posted: 4/22/2016 10:11:32 AM EDT

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Posted: 4/22/2016 10:17:35 AM EDT

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Trump

I'm 100% a Cruz supporter. Voted for him in the Florida primary & I agree with just about all his policies. I just don't think he can garner enough votes in the general election to beat her. I can not see him get the vote of indecisive independents &/or democrats. My opinion.

Posted: 4/22/2016 10:29:56 AM EDT

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If OP wasn't trolling he could have figured this one out himself easily. There's already head to head polling out for both potential races in 23 states. Trump outperforms Cruz against Hillary in a grand total of 5 of them (but he still easily loses all 5 of those states to the Hildabeast).

Just a few examples from recent state head to head polling:

Ohio: Cruz 47, Clinton 45. Clinton 48, Trump 42

Wisconsin: Cruz 44, Clinton 44. Clinton 47, Trump 37

Florida: Clinton 48, Cruz 43. Clinton 49, Trump 41

Michigan: Clinton 48, Cruz 41. Clinton 52, Trump 36.

Arizona: Cruz 41, Clinton 35. Clinton 38, Trump 38.

Trump has more ground to make up than Cruz over and over again in states that actually matter in the general. Even worse, some states that should be solid red start looking competitive in a Trump vs Clinton race.

Posted: 4/22/2016 10:32:54 AM EDT

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Loretta Lynch is the only person who can stop HRC.

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Posted: 4/22/2016 10:37:54 AM EDT

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I hold the Constitution in the highest esteem. Therefore I support Ted Cruz.

I will, however, vote for whomever is nominated as the Republican party candidate - even if it's Trump the Democlown.

I still think he has the best chance of being nominated. This is bell curve stuff, people. The majority of voters are functionally retarded, and will vote on feelz, be they Demopublicans voting for Hillary Clinton, or Republicrats voting for Donald Trump.

Both Hilliar and The Donald pander very effectively to the idiot masses on either side of the middle. The question is who can get more voters on their side. Forget the relatively few true conservatives here. They don't matter.

Posted: 4/22/2016 10:39:02 AM EDT

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Trump, a nationalist populist, who is also gathering pissed off moderate Dems is the only person.

Here is for hoping a stroke gets HildaWitch, and while the angel of death is at work, asscancer for Chelsa bitch.

Posted: 4/22/2016 10:43:36 AM EDT

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Yep despite saying numerous times that i would Vote for the Orange Wonder if he was the candidate, no matter HOW Nauseous it makes me..somehow im still "Just another Booger Eater" to these Dips... On the Plus side PURELY for my own amusement, If he won, and turned around and fucked us over, the Backpedalling and snarky little bullshit from the Trumpers would be absolutely EPIC...

Posted: 4/22/2016 10:45:01 AM EDT

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I feel like none of them

Posted: 4/22/2016 11:00:03 AM EDT

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Trump, a nationalist populist, who is also gathering pissed off moderate Dems is the only person. and pissing off 70% of the total population in the meantime

Here is for hoping a stroke gets HildaWitch, and while the angel of death is at work, asscancer for Chelsa bitch.

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Posted: 4/22/2016 11:33:53 AM EDT

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Cruz of course.

The unlikeable guy that even the religious southern conservatives, who allegedly provided his base, turned their backs on and voted for Trump.

Brokered electoral college delegates FTW.

Cruz will figure out a way to win without the electorate because, afterall; it's his great forte.

Posted: 4/22/2016 3:09:51 PM EDT

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I'm 100% a Cruz supporter. Voted for him in the Florida primary & I agree with just about all his policies. I just don't think he can garner enough votes in the general election to beat her. I can not see him get the vote of indecisive independents &/or democrats. My opinion.

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Same boat and I agree 100%. I voted Cruz in our primary here (which Trump won soundly) but I just can't any other realistic path to "victory" at this point.

Posted: 4/22/2016 3:17:00 PM EDT

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I don't remember you bitching over any of the the Hughjafj threads.

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I guess the Cruz folks are just super vocal. It might explain why they're voting Hillary in the polls.

OK how is this thread not considered trolling at this point? You didnt want a discussion or debate. You just posted this to insult and get negative responses. Congrats. You are making it harder and harder to possibly pull for Trump in the General.

I don't remember you bitching over any of the the Hughjafj threads.

Probably because I skipped half of them. Preaching to the choir and all that.

Posted: 4/22/2016 3:19:59 PM EDT

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50 BMG. Wait, I'm sorry, I thought the question was "What" not "Who". Never mind.

Posted: 4/22/2016 3:25:05 PM EDT

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If OP wasn't trolling he could have figured this one out himself easily. There's already head to head polling out for both potential races in 23 states. Trump outperforms Cruz against Hillary in a grand total of 5 of them (but he still easily loses all 5 of those states to the Hildabeast).

Just a few examples from recent state head to head polling:

Ohio: Cruz 47, Clinton 45. Clinton 48, Trump 42

Wisconsin: Cruz 44, Clinton 44. Clinton 47, Trump 37

Florida: Clinton 48, Cruz 43. Clinton 49, Trump 41

Michigan: Clinton 48, Cruz 41. Clinton 52, Trump 36.

Arizona: Cruz 41, Clinton 35. Clinton 38, Trump 38.

Trump has more ground to make up than Cruz over and over again in states that actually matter in the general. Even worse, some states that should be solid red start looking competitive in a Trump vs Clinton race.

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This is what we're up against. The numbers have been pretty damn consistent.

With Cruz, we've got a chance. It won't be easy, but he's shown himself to be well prepared and good with the details. Pretty decent record to run on, no question about his conservative credentials.

With Trump, he's very polarizing. Has a very rabid support of a good 30ish% of the gop. Terrible favorables outside of that, has not really gained any ground on Hillary, will have a tremendous uphill battle considering polling puts Utah, AZ, and Mississippi in play when traditionally red. However, if he's not chosen via a contested convention, it is unknown whether he will help republicans or openly advocate burning it all down.

With Kasich, I'm pretty sure his numbers will fall off the face of the earth after the first debate against hillary. He's an old, empty suit and only appeals to a slim minority of people hwo think he is "nice".

Honestly? we're probably fucked. We had quality candidates to choose from in Walker, Paul, Cruz, and Perry and we allowed a showman/celebrity hack to come in and make a mockery of everything. I'm buying ammo before the prices triple.

Posted: 4/22/2016 3:29:06 PM EDT

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This is what we're up against. The numbers have been pretty damn consistent.

With Cruz, we've got a chance. It won't be easy, but he's shown himself to be well prepared and good with the details. Pretty decent record to run on, no question about his conservative credentials.

With Trump, he's very polarizing. Has a very rabid support of a good 30ish% of the gop. Terrible favorables outside of that, has not really gained any ground on Hillary, will have a tremendous uphill battle considering polling puts Utah, AZ, and Mississippi in play when traditionally red. However, if he's not chosen via a contested convention, it is unknown whether he will help republicans or openly advocate burning it all down.

With Kasich, I'm pretty sure his numbers will fall off the face of the earth after the first debate against hillary. He's an old, empty suit and only appeals to a slim minority of people hwo think he is "nice".

Honestly? we're probably fucked. We had quality candidates to choose from in Walker, Paul, Cruz, and Perry and we allowed a showman/celebrity hack to come in and make a mockery of everything. I'm buying ammo before the prices triple.

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If OP wasn't trolling he could have figured this one out himself easily. There's already head to head polling out for both potential races in 23 states. Trump outperforms Cruz against Hillary in a grand total of 5 of them (but he still easily loses all 5 of those states to the Hildabeast).

Just a few examples from recent state head to head polling:

Ohio: Cruz 47, Clinton 45. Clinton 48, Trump 42

Wisconsin: Cruz 44, Clinton 44. Clinton 47, Trump 37

Florida: Clinton 48, Cruz 43. Clinton 49, Trump 41

Michigan: Clinton 48, Cruz 41. Clinton 52, Trump 36.

Arizona: Cruz 41, Clinton 35. Clinton 38, Trump 38.

Trump has more ground to make up than Cruz over and over again in states that actually matter in the general. Even worse, some states that should be solid red start looking competitive in a Trump vs Clinton race.

This is what we're up against. The numbers have been pretty damn consistent.

With Cruz, we've got a chance. It won't be easy, but he's shown himself to be well prepared and good with the details. Pretty decent record to run on, no question about his conservative credentials.

With Trump, he's very polarizing. Has a very rabid support of a good 30ish% of the gop. Terrible favorables outside of that, has not really gained any ground on Hillary, will have a tremendous uphill battle considering polling puts Utah, AZ, and Mississippi in play when traditionally red. However, if he's not chosen via a contested convention, it is unknown whether he will help republicans or openly advocate burning it all down.

With Kasich, I'm pretty sure his numbers will fall off the face of the earth after the first debate against hillary. He's an old, empty suit and only appeals to a slim minority of people hwo think he is "nice".

Honestly? we're probably fucked. We had quality candidates to choose from in Walker, Paul, Cruz, and Perry and we allowed a showman/celebrity hack to come in and make a mockery of everything. I'm buying ammo before the prices triple.

I think you're underestimating Kasich. He's got one good thing going for him. Hillary isn't well-liked on the left. They'll turn out in droves to defeat Trump and Cruz scares them, but Kasich doesn't really worry them much. So instead of holding their nose when pulling the Hillary lever because "at least she's not Trump", they can stay at home.

Posted: 4/22/2016 3:35:09 PM EDT

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I think you're underestimating Kasich. He's got one good thing going for him. Hillary isn't well-liked on the left. They'll turn out in droves to defeat Trump and Cruz scares them, but Kasich doesn't really worry them much. So instead of holding their nose when pulling the Hillary lever because "at least she's not Trump", they can stay at home.

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If OP wasn't trolling he could have figured this one out himself easily. There's already head to head polling out for both potential races in 23 states. Trump outperforms Cruz against Hillary in a grand total of 5 of them (but he still easily loses all 5 of those states to the Hildabeast).

Just a few examples from recent state head to head polling:

Ohio: Cruz 47, Clinton 45. Clinton 48, Trump 42

Wisconsin: Cruz 44, Clinton 44. Clinton 47, Trump 37

Florida: Clinton 48, Cruz 43. Clinton 49, Trump 41

Michigan: Clinton 48, Cruz 41. Clinton 52, Trump 36.

Arizona: Cruz 41, Clinton 35. Clinton 38, Trump 38.

Trump has more ground to make up than Cruz over and over again in states that actually matter in the general. Even worse, some states that should be solid red start looking competitive in a Trump vs Clinton race.

This is what we're up against. The numbers have been pretty damn consistent.

With Cruz, we've got a chance. It won't be easy, but he's shown himself to be well prepared and good with the details. Pretty decent record to run on, no question about his conservative credentials.

With Trump, he's very polarizing. Has a very rabid support of a good 30ish% of the gop. Terrible favorables outside of that, has not really gained any ground on Hillary, will have a tremendous uphill battle considering polling puts Utah, AZ, and Mississippi in play when traditionally red. However, if he's not chosen via a contested convention, it is unknown whether he will help republicans or openly advocate burning it all down.

With Kasich, I'm pretty sure his numbers will fall off the face of the earth after the first debate against hillary. He's an old, empty suit and only appeals to a slim minority of people hwo think he is "nice".

Honestly? we're probably fucked. We had quality candidates to choose from in Walker, Paul, Cruz, and Perry and we allowed a showman/celebrity hack to come in and make a mockery of everything. I'm buying ammo before the prices triple.

I think you're underestimating Kasich. He's got one good thing going for him. Hillary isn't well-liked on the left. They'll turn out in droves to defeat Trump and Cruz scares them, but Kasich doesn't really worry them much. So instead of holding their nose when pulling the Hillary lever because "at least she's not Trump", they can stay at home.

I'm not comfortable hoping enough disenfranchisement occurs just because kasich isn't scary enough to get out and vote.

The democrats have traditionally been really good at coalescing around their candidate.

Posted: 4/22/2016 3:38:45 PM EDT

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If there is a brokered or contested GOP convention, the eventual nominee (whoever it may be) will have zero chance of winning.

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You are 100% correct.

Posted: 4/22/2016 3:40:46 PM EDT

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If there is a brokered or contested GOP convention, the eventual nominee (whoever it may be) will have zero chance of winning.

JMHO.

You are 100% correct.

Nope. If Cruz wins on the 2nd or 3rd ballot and Trump doesn't go all code black, burn it all down, then we'll be fine.

If the convention is actually brokered, rather then contested and they insert someone like Paul ryan, then it is absolutely game over.

Posted: 4/22/2016 3:42:36 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/22/2016 3:50:28 PM EDT

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Nope. If Cruz wins on the 2nd or 3rd ballot and Trump doesn't go all code black, burn it all down, then we'll be fine.

If the convention is actually brokered, rather then contested and they insert someone like Paul ryan, then it is absolutely game over.

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If there is a brokered or contested GOP convention, the eventual nominee (whoever it may be) will have zero chance of winning.

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You are 100% correct.

Nope. If Cruz wins on the 2nd or 3rd ballot and Trump doesn't go all code black, burn it all down, then we'll be fine.

If the convention is actually brokered, rather then contested and they insert someone like Paul ryan, then it is absolutely game over.

I don't know if fine is the right word. If we can't get 30-40% of the GOP primary electorate to not vote for a liberal in the GOP primary, I'm a little concerned about the general.

Cruz is far more competitive than Trump, but it's still going to be a fight.

Posted: 4/22/2016 3:53:55 PM EDT

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The polls say Kasich is the only candidate that can beat Hillary. I don't believe the polls. I think his relative obscurity is giving him a boost. People hear Trump trashed, people hear Cruz trashed but Kasich gets so little attention I know someone who voted for him this week who couldn't even pronounce his name after they voted.

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And yet he cannot win in his own party?

Maybe he is in the wrong party?

Posted: 4/22/2016 3:56:45 PM EDT

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I am going to save this post for posterity...

Posted: 4/22/2016 4:04:42 PM EDT

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Pie !!! because I believe she was promised the job of POTUS after she helped jug ears get elected in 08 ....

Posted: 4/22/2016 4:05:38 PM EDT

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Not true. The Congress could (and should) have pushed through an Independent Counsel/Special Prosecutor for this.

Posted: 4/22/2016 4:06:15 PM EDT

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Folks should consider a candidate who can help other conservative candidates to win.

Hillary is campaigning on behalf of other Democrats... Hillary helps the tickets of Democrats in liberal areas...

Who has Trump campaigned for?

The truth... Trump has the ability to cost conservative seats in vulnerable areas. Trump is toxic to conservatives because he 1. isn't conservative 2. runs his mouth and forces vulnerable conservatives to explain his constantly-shifting policies.

It was outright brilliant... Outright brilliant for Bill Clinton to convince Trump to run.

Whoever the Republican Party runs now, conservatives lose. Trump has shown us all to be borderline retards who simply want to *hear* conservative things, even if they come out of the mouth of a die-hard New York liberal...

Trump has shown our entire conservative movement to be absolutely nothing but hot air and sound bites. And he has forced *real* conservatives into corners in explaining Trumps constantly-shifting and constantly changing policies and platform issues.

Posted: 4/22/2016 4:16:53 PM EDT

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I don't remember you bitching over any of the the Hughjafj threads.

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I guess the Cruz folks are just super vocal. It might explain why they're voting Hillary in the polls.

OK how is this thread not considered trolling at this point? You didnt want a discussion or debate. You just posted this to insult and get negative responses. Congrats. You are making it harder and harder to possibly pull for Trump in the General.

I don't remember you bitching over any of the the Hughjafj threads.

That's not saying much. You don't remember that Trump is a New York liberal either.

Posted: 4/22/2016 4:24:00 PM EDT

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Jesus Christ could come down from Heaven, cure the blind and the sick, but if he decided to run for president as a republican, he would get bashed just as hard as everyone else.

Posted: 4/22/2016 4:37:10 PM EDT

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That's not saying much. You don't remember that Trump is a New York liberal either.

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I guess the Cruz folks are just super vocal. It might explain why they're voting Hillary in the polls.

OK how is this thread not considered trolling at this point? You didnt want a discussion or debate. You just posted this to insult and get negative responses. Congrats. You are making it harder and harder to possibly pull for Trump in the General.

I don't remember you bitching over any of the the Hughjafj threads.

That's not saying much. You don't remember that Trump is a New York liberal either.

His memory has evolved since then.

Posted: 4/22/2016 5:36:44 PM EDT

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None of them, Hillary is the next POTUS sorry to say.

Posted: 4/22/2016 6:35:43 PM EDT

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So it's Romney in a landslide?

Posted: 4/23/2016 1:08:07 AM EDT

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So it seems that we should all be adults. Recognize that Trump is the only person that can possibly defeat the Hildabeast in November.....And start uniting?

Posted: 4/23/2016 1:09:57 AM EDT

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So it seems that we should all be adults. Recognize that Trump is the only person that can possibly defeat the Hildabeast in November.....And start uniting?

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The polling data doesn't reflect your false premise.

Troll thread.

Posted: 4/23/2016 1:18:02 AM EDT

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Folks should consider a candidate who can help other conservative candidates to win.

Hillary is campaigning on behalf of other Democrats... Hillary helps the tickets of Democrats in liberal areas...

Who has Trump campaigned for?

The truth... Trump has the ability to cost conservative seats in vulnerable areas. Trump is toxic to conservatives because he 1. isn't conservative 2. runs his mouth and forces vulnerable conservatives to explain his constantly-shifting policies.

It was outright brilliant... Outright brilliant for Bill Clinton to convince Trump to run.

Whoever the Republican Party runs now, conservatives lose. Trump has shown us all to be borderline retards who simply want to *hear* conservative things, even if they come out of the mouth of a die-hard New York liberal...

Trump has shown our entire conservative movement to be absolutely nothing but hot air and sound bites. And he has forced *real* conservatives into corners in explaining Trumps constantly-shifting and constantly changing policies and platform issues.

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Spot on.

Posted: 4/23/2016 1:30:15 AM EDT

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The polling data doesn't reflect your false premise.

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So it seems that we should all be adults. Recognize that Trump is the only person that can possibly defeat the Hildabeast in November.....And start uniting?

The polling data doesn't reflect your false premise.

Troll thread.

I would bet you $1000 dollars that Cruz will not be president.

Posted: 4/23/2016 1:33:05 AM EDT

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Only Hillary can beat Hillary at his point.

Posted: 4/23/2016 1:44:14 AM EDT

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Poll is redundant: Trump = Camacho. Fail and die.

Posted: 4/23/2016 9:25:48 AM EDT

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I would bet you $1000 dollars that Cruz will not be president.

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So it seems that we should all be adults. Recognize that Trump is the only person that can possibly defeat the Hildabeast in November.....And start uniting?

The polling data doesn't reflect your false premise.

Troll thread.

I would bet you $1000 dollars that Cruz will not be president.

I don't know that Cruz will beat Clinton.

Now consider that in 80% of the states that have done head to head polling for those two races, Trump polls worse than Cruz against Clinton. Often by a large margin. If you're so confident Cruz will not win, why are you sure the guy who polls worse against Clinton than Cruz will?