What evidence do birthers have? - Page 2

Site Notices

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - What evidence do birthers have? (Page 2 of 4)

Posted: 1/30/2011 1:46:32 PM EDT

[#1]

The fact that Congress didn't fully vet him should be considered treason in my opinion. They better fix this or I will be really pissed. There should be no question in the minds of reasonable Americans.

Posted: 1/30/2011 1:48:10 PM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:

Its pretty simple. Most anyone here can produce a birth certificate that can be validated. We do it all the time for employment, passports, licenses, etc. The POTUS has yet to produce any document of US birth that can validated by any authority. US birth is mandated by US Constitution to qualify as POTUS. If he were working at the department of motor vehicles in almost any state, he would have been terminated for failure to comply within 90 days of hire..

Wrong:

Posted: 1/30/2011 1:48:52 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:

The fact that Congress didn't fully vet him should be considered treason in my opinion. They better fix this or I will be really pissed. There should be no question in the minds of reasonable Americans.

Congress has no responsibility to 'vet' Presidential candidates.

Posted: 1/30/2011 1:50:30 PM EDT

[#4]

He provided a "Certificate of Live Birth" rather than a "Birth Certificate" like i have. Says it right at the top. Some of them(like my dad) don't consider Hawaii a state, but American territory

. That's good enough for some who have entirely too much time on their hands. Someone post a list of all the former presidents who refused to provide ANY documentation..........it's a lot. Not to mention Fox News' contributions to spreading historical inaccuracies!

Posted: 1/30/2011 1:50:30 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I don't think its a question so much of evidence that birthers have...

As much as it is a question of evidence that BHO refuses to provide.

Congress compelled McCain to produce one but refused to require the same of Obuma. That ought to be enough to make anyone with a brain ask, Where is Obuma's Birth Certificate? A Certificate of Live Birth is not the same as a Birth Certificate. Two completely different documents.

They gave McCain a load of shit because he was born on a Naval base in Panama. Foreign born they said.
The foreigner in chief doesn't doesn't have to show anything more than a clb an everything is just ducky.

Posted: 1/30/2011 1:51:55 PM EDT

[#6]

I want to see a doctors signature. Hospital address.

I am near enough to BHOs age, and I have a certificate with signatures. Where is his.

I have mine in an envelope postmarked before zip codes. Where is the one he has used all his life.

The COLB they have shown is just the Hawaii printout of the summary infomation. No signatures.

Posted: 1/30/2011 1:52:34 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The lack of evidence IS the evidence.

word

Just bring out the birth certificate.

All the questions go away.

He did, and they didn't.

Suddenly, a new standard was proposed.

Now you have delusional people who claim the document he presented would not be accepted even at a DMV, based on who knows what evidence, made up by the same people who have clearly lied about the grandmother story.

Posted: 1/30/2011 1:55:22 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Grandmother talking about his birth in Kenya and no doctor or nurse talking about his birth in Hawaii.

Plus it quite strange gramma dies right before the election.

Poor gramma.

It wasn't his grandmother (the white bank exec, who raised him in his teens).

It was a Great Aunt, speaking through a translator, and the FULL quote includes a statement that he was born in HI.

Posted: 1/30/2011 1:55:52 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Because birthers Osama cocksuckers are straight up retards who share the bed with truthers and no moon landers.

Posted: 1/30/2011 1:55:57 PM EDT

[#10]

Timothy Adams was a Senior Elections Clerk, City and County of Honolulu during the 2008 election, and he has signed an affidavit stating that no Obama birth records exist at Queens Medical Center, Kapi'olani Medical Center, or the military base hospital.

Posted: 1/30/2011 1:57:03 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Its pretty simple. Most anyone here can produce a birth certificate that can be validated. We do it all the time for employment, passports, licenses, etc. The POTUS has yet to produce any document of US birth that can validated by any authority. US birth is mandated by US Constitution to qualify as POTUS. If he were working at the department of motor vehicles in almost any state, he would have been terminated for failure to comply within 90 days of hire..

Wrong:

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg

BOOM! There it is, 'nuff said..........someone post Teddy Roosevelt's birth certificate.

Posted: 1/30/2011 1:57:31 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
I want to see a doctors signature. Hospital address.

I am near enough to BHOs age, and I have a certificate with signatures. Where is his.

I have mine in an envelope postmarked before zip codes. Where is the one he has used all his life.

The COLB they have shown is just the Hawaii printout of the summary infomation. No signatures.

Moving with a hippie loser mother all over the 3rd world is not a lifestyle conducive to keeping track of certain documents (Obama's case, not mine).

I, for one, also do not have a certificate with signatures. Never in the history of proof of birth in the United States has such a claim been made as to the standard of proof of birth. The document I have, entitled "Certificate of Live Birth," from the State of Illinois, has been enough for me to obtain and hold a TS SCI clearance and three passports. Those of you making these assertions are not making them rationally.

Posted: 1/30/2011 1:58:35 PM EDT

[#13]

Why would Obama want to stop his enemies from making fools of themselves?

Posted: 1/30/2011 1:58:37 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Grandmother talking about his birth in Kenya and no doctor or nurse talking about his birth in Hawaii.

Plus it quite strange gramma dies right before the election.

Poor gramma.

It wasn't his grandmother (the white bank exec, who raised him in his teens).

It was a Great Aunt, speaking through a translator, and the FULL quote includes a statement that he was born in HI.

She called herself his grandmother, as she married his grandfather.

Posted: 1/30/2011 1:59:49 PM EDT

[#15]

The parents of the Manchurian weren't married at the time of his birth. They even lived at separate addresses.

Posted: 1/30/2011 2:01:43 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
he was born in HI and most likely is qualified as a NBC, his BC was ammended when he was adopted by lolo soetero, his legal name was changed to barry soetero. He never bothered changing it back legally, this is what he's hiding and is why everything pertaining to him has been sealed. he may have been switching between the two names when circumstances dictated, and may have enrolled at occidental college as a foreign student.

That's interesting. I don't recall hearing that take before. Natural born citizen with papers to prove it but maybe he claimed otherwise in certain situations out of convenience or to get certain advantages such as college benefits-this, passport-that, etc. To prove one is to get busted on the rest.

You were kind of a double kid, I bet, right? One kid with your old man. One kid with your mother. Upper middle class in the week, and then dropping your ‘r’s and hanging in the Southie projects with daddy the donkey on the weekends.

Posted: 1/30/2011 2:04:58 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:
he was born in HI and most likely is qualified as a NBC, his BC was ammended when he was adopted by lolo soetero, his legal name was changed to barry soetero. He never bothered changing it back legally, this is what he's hiding and is why everything pertaining to him has been sealed. he may have been switching between the two names when circumstances dictated, and may have enrolled at occidental college as a foreign student.

That's interesting. I don't recall hearing that take before. Natural born citizen with papers to prove it but maybe he claimed otherwise in certain situations out of convenience or to get certain advantages such as college benefits-this, passport-that, etc. To prove one is to get busted on the rest.

You were kind of a double kid, I bet, right? One kid with your old man. One kid with your mother. Upper middle class in the week, and then dropping your ‘r’s and hanging in the Southie projects with daddy the donkey on the weekends.

You guys are very likely on to something.

This has nothing to do with the standards for presidential candidacy, though.

Everybody has a past, and Obama's looks more crooked and more squirrely than most. All this birther nonsense does is distract from the real questions of what he is trying to hide.

Posted: 1/30/2011 2:07:39 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:

He provided a "Certificate of Live Birth" rather than a "Birth Certificate" like i have. Says it right at the top. Some of them(like my dad) don't consider Hawaii a state, but American territory

. That's good enough for some who have entirely too much time on their hands. Someone post a list of all the former presidents who refused to provide ANY documentation..........it's a lot. Not to mention Fox News' contributions to spreading historical inaccuracies!

No. Certification of Live Birth.

Posted: 1/30/2011 2:08:37 PM EDT

[#19]

Big imaginations, and very little regard for the truth.

Posted: 1/30/2011 2:12:45 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:

I don't think its a question so much of evidence that birthers have...

As much as it is a question of evidence that BHO refuses to provide.

but YOU can have a certified copy from the Hosital for only $100. the hospital gets about 5 requests a week.

You have a reference or source for this little tidbit. Especially since Hospitals are regulated under the HIPAA act.

I had to get two notarized statements just to get my medical records sent from my old health provider to the new one. My old provider wouldn't even hand them to me to hand carry to the new provider.

Posted: 1/30/2011 2:14:09 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:

I don't think its a question so much of evidence that birthers have...

As much as it is a question of evidence that BHO refuses to provide.

Congress compelled McCain to produce one but refused to require the same of Obuma. That ought to be enough to make anyone with a brain ask, Where is Obuma's Birth Certificate? A Certificate of Live Birth is not the same as a Birth Certificate. Two completely different documents.

Source?

mccain was born in the panama canal region. at the time it was a us territory. there was a whole issue on this in the congressional record.

Yet he refers to Arizona as his "home state." In fact, the idea that "home ANYTHING" means "place of birth" is another thing made up by birthers, along with the "Certificate of Live Birth is not a Birth Certificate" thing.

Certification of Live Birth.

Posted: 1/30/2011 2:16:00 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I don't think its a question so much of evidence that birthers have...

As much as it is a question of evidence that BHO refuses to provide.

Congress compelled McCain to produce one but refused to require the same of Obuma. That ought to be enough to make anyone with a brain ask, Where is Obuma's Birth Certificate? A Certificate of Live Birth is not the same as a Birth Certificate. Two completely different documents.

Source?

mccain was born in the panama canal region. at the time it was a us territory. there was a whole issue on this in the congressional record.

Yet he refers to Arizona as his "home state." In fact, the idea that "home ANYTHING" means "place of birth" is another thing made up by birthers, along with the "Certificate of Live Birth is not a Birth Certificate" thing.

Certification of Live Birth.

Well, there you have it, that makes all the difference.

Posted: 1/30/2011 2:16:14 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Grandmother talking about his birth in Kenya and no doctor or nurse talking about his birth in Hawaii.

Plus it quite strange gramma dies right before the election.

Poor gramma.

Strange in what way?

Posted: 1/30/2011 2:18:27 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:

He provided a "Certificate of Live Birth" rather than a "Birth Certificate" like i have. Says it right at the top. Some of them(like my dad) don't consider Hawaii a state, but American territory

. That's good enough for some who have entirely too much time on their hands. Someone post a list of all the former presidents who refused to provide ANY documentation..........it's a lot. Not to mention Fox News' contributions to spreading historical inaccuracies!

No. Certification of Live Birth.

Which statute describes the difference between a "certificate" and a "certification"

Those are synonyms in English.

A certification certifies something, in exactly the same way as a certificate does.

Posted: 1/30/2011 2:21:30 PM EDT

[#25]

The lack of documentation comes to play in a previously overlooked passage from "Dreams from My Father." As Obama tells the story, Obama Sr. had children with at least four different women, two of them American, two African. Ruth Nidesand, a white American, had two children by Obama Sr., Mark and David, the latter of whom died young in a motorcycle accident.

When Obama Sr. died in 1982, lawyers contacted anyone who might have claim to the estate. "Unlike my mum," Obama tells his half-sister Auma in "Dreams," "Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark's father was."

Ruth obviously could produce a marriage license and a birth certificate for her son Mark. Although Obama alludes to finding his own "birth certificate" in "Dreams," Ann Dunham apparently could not produce one that tied him to Obama Sr., this despite a potential payoff if she did.

Where is the record of Barack Obama Senior and Stanley Ann Dunham's marriage?

Let's take this from a different angle. Newspaper announcement? Photographs? Every one has a photo with their new bride. Where is this one?

Why was Stanley Ann Dunham enrolled in college at the University of Washington(Seattle) shortly after Barack Jr's birth?

Why did she NOT return to Hawaii until AFTER Obama Senior had left for Harvard?

Why did she leave her bastard child in Hawaii with her parents?

Posted: 1/30/2011 2:22:21 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I want to see a doctors signature. Hospital address.

I am near enough to BHOs age, and I have a certificate with signatures. Where is his.

I have mine in an envelope postmarked before zip codes. Where is the one he has used all his life.

The COLB they have shown is just the Hawaii printout of the summary infomation. No signatures.

Moving with a hippie loser mother all over the 3rd world is not a lifestyle conducive to keeping track of certain documents (Obama's case, not mine).

I, for one, also do not have a certificate with signatures. Never in the history of proof of birth in the United States has such a claim been made as to the standard of proof of birth. The document I have, entitled "Certificate of Live Birth," from the State of Illinois, has been enough for me to obtain and hold a TS SCI clearance and three passports. Those of you making these assertions are not making them rationally.

Mine is a certificate of live birth also. However, he had a copy to get his marriage licencse prior to that 2001 version. He had to be using a piece of paper before that 2001 form version. The long thread had a copy of an old style black one from HI with signatures.

I suspect that there is something about his life narrative he has been telling that is in conflict with that version. I don't know what it is, but there is something odd here. And no, i don't think it is place of birth. I don't know what it is. But that is a new printout. The form is dated 2001.

I don't know what I would get if I ordered one today.

Posted: 1/30/2011 2:22:55 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:

The fact that Congress didn't fully vet him should be considered treason in my opinion. They better fix this or I will be really pissed. There should be no question in the minds of reasonable Americans.

Its up to the party to properly vet their candidate. They have to certify the candidate's petition for candidacy in each state. There is no standard of proof at the federal election level that requires actual proof of natural born citizenship.

Posted: 1/30/2011 2:27:27 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:
he's brown, so he must be from africa

Yeah .. and everyone who doesn't like the fuck-stain is racist ... right ?

Umm...if you didn't catch the sarcasm from Bill's post you might want to go slam your head into a brick wall to re-calibrate your sarcasm meter...

Posted: 1/30/2011 2:28:00 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:
he's brown, so he must be from africa

Leave it to some to drop the race card....
Intimidate much?

In my opinion, being brown is responsible for about 90% of this birther nonsense.

I'm no birther, but I'd wager a large sum that 90% of the people that oppose obama for any reason also opposed clinton and carter - was being white responsible for that?

I oppose obama because he's fucking liberal/socialist POS and the race card being thrown out every time someone has something negative to say about him is getting fucking old. As a matter of fact I'd venture to guess most that rely on that sorry assed excuse are just compensating for their own latent racist feelings simmering just beneath the surface

Posted: 1/30/2011 2:31:30 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I think a big part of it is that the one he released was proven to be a forgery. Apparently, anyway. I don't care too much. *shrug*

When was this proven? It was my understanding that he produced a valid Certificate of Live Birth... the official document provided by is home state.

I'm looking for the other side of the coin. The evidence of a foreign birth that trumps the evidence of US birth.

No, your wrong. What they produced was the short form COLB. The long form does not exist. The short form is only supposed to verify the existence of the long form birth certificate. Hence, the state had no record of his birth when the produced the short form, thus it is a forgery.

BTW, I started adding people to the ignore list from this thread. People defending Obama by saying "no really, you are just racist". Please- that's a liberal tactic. The grown-ups want to talk. It has nothing to do with his race, at least for me (I can't speak for everyone). If you say "90%" are racist, you are clearly pulling that out of...well... anyway.

Posted: 1/30/2011 2:53:23 PM EDT

[#31]

Posted: 1/30/2011 2:57:08 PM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:

I think a big part of it is that the one he released was proven to be a forgery. Apparently, anyway. I don't care too much. *shrug*

When was this proven? It was my understanding that he produced a valid Certificate of Live Birth... the official document provided by is home state.

I'm looking for the other side of the coin. The evidence of a foreign birth that trumps the evidence of US birth.

No, your wrong. What they produced was the short form COLB. The long form does not exist. The short form is only supposed to verify the existence of the long form birth certificate. Hence, the state had no record of his birth when the produced the short form, thus it is a forgery.

BTW, I started adding people to the ignore list from this thread. People defending Obama by saying "no really, you are just racist". Please- that's a liberal tactic. The grown-ups want to talk. It has nothing to do with his race, at least for me (I can't speak for everyone). If you say "90%" are racist, you are clearly pulling that out of...well... anyway.

Posted: 1/30/2011 3:01:33 PM EDT

[#33]

Posted: 1/30/2011 3:04:03 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

Timothy Adams was a Senior Elections Clerk, City and County of Honolulu during the 2008 election, and he has signed an affidavit stating that no Obama birth records exist at Queens Medical Center, Kapi'olani Medical Center, or the military base hospital.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/06/there_are_some_people_who.html

Timothy Adams was a temporary data entry clerk.

Posted: 1/30/2011 3:08:20 PM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I think a big part of it is that the one he released was proven to be a forgery. Apparently, anyway. I don't care too much. *shrug*

When was this proven? It was my understanding that he produced a valid Certificate of Live Birth... the official document provided by is home state.

I'm looking for the other side of the coin. The evidence of a foreign birth that trumps the evidence of US birth.

No, your wrong. What they produced was the short form COLB. The long form does not exist. The short form is only supposed to verify the existence of the long form birth certificate. Hence, the state had no record of his birth when the produced the short form, thus it is a forgery.

BTW, I started adding people to the ignore list from this thread. People defending Obama by saying "no really, you are just racist". Please- that's a liberal tactic. The grown-ups want to talk. It has nothing to do with his race, at least for me (I can't speak for everyone). If you say "90%" are racist, you are clearly pulling that out of...well... anyway.

You are making way too much sense. You know you are going to piss off the Obammers here by "shifting the goal post."

Posted: 1/30/2011 3:09:34 PM EDT

[#36]

this

Quoted:
Why would Obama want to stop his enemies from making fools of themselves?

Also if Hillary Clinton was unable to disprove his citizenship I tend to think he might be a citizen.

Posted: 1/30/2011 3:09:52 PM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:
Because birthers are straight up retards who share the bed with truthers and no moon landers.

Im guessing you are just quoting some libtard that turns to the typical verbal attacks against anyone that does not support Obama unconditionally. I know what you mean. They always try to turn any discussion into their own defense, in spite of the facts. Its the same thing as saying that anyone that believes that Barry should not be questioned is the typical moron cock-smoker you see on the libtard sites.

Even though Im not a birther, I do believe the libtards are moron cock-smokers. Name calling and attacks always sorta evens the fight up for both sides.

Posted: 1/30/2011 3:12:31 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I want to see a doctors signature. Hospital address.

I am near enough to BHOs age, and I have a certificate with signatures. Where is his.

I have mine in an envelope postmarked before zip codes. Where is the one he has used all his life.

The COLB they have shown is just the Hawaii printout of the summary infomation. No signatures.

Moving with a hippie loser mother all over the 3rd world is not a lifestyle conducive to keeping track of certain documents (Obama's case, not mine).

I, for one, also do not have a certificate with signatures. Never in the history of proof of birth in the United States has such a claim been made as to the standard of proof of birth. The document I have, entitled "Certificate of Live Birth," from the State of Illinois, has been enough for me to obtain and hold a TS SCI clearance and three passports. Those of you making these assertions are not making them rationally.

Mine is a certificate of live birth also. However, he had a copy to get his marriage licencse prior to that 2001 version. He had to be using a piece of paper before that 2001 form version. The long thread had a copy of an old style black one from HI with signatures.

I suspect that there is something about his life narrative he has been telling that is in conflict with that version. I don't know what it is, but there is something odd here. And no, i don't think it is place of birth. I don't know what it is. But that is a new printout. The form is dated 2001.

I don't know what I would get if I ordered one today.

Why would he have needed a copy for the marriage license? I honestly cannot remember what I needed, but 90% of the time when I need to show citizenship, I just pull out the passport.

Posted: 1/30/2011 3:12:55 PM EDT

[#39]

didnt obama admit that he was born in Kenya?

lemme find the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se5zvGF6u9g&feature=related

he says that his approval ratings in the US suck but they are still good in the country of his birth

Posted: 1/30/2011 3:13:51 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:

This.

I'm not a 'birther' myself. My personal theory is that 0's cert exists, but in the RACE: field it says WHITE or CAUCASIAN. He'd lose his 'black man' cred if that were made public.

Posted: 1/30/2011 3:15:05 PM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:

Quoted:
he's brown, so he must be from africa

Yeah .. and everyone who doesn't like the fuck-stain is racist ... right ?

Umm...if you didn't catch the sarcasm from Bill's post you might want to go slam your head into a brick wall to re-calibrate your sarcasm meter...

Read further and you'll find he wasn't being sarcastic. He's claiming 90% of the birthers are racist.

Posted: 1/30/2011 3:19:55 PM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I think a big part of it is that the one he released was proven to be a forgery. Apparently, anyway. I don't care too much. *shrug*

When was this proven? It was my understanding that he produced a valid Certificate of Live Birth... the official document provided by is home state.

I'm looking for the other side of the coin. The evidence of a foreign birth that trumps the evidence of US birth.

No, your wrong. What they produced was the short form COLB. The long form does not exist. The short form is only supposed to verify the existence of the long form birth certificate. Hence, the state had no record of his birth when the produced the short form, thus it is a forgery.

BTW, I started adding people to the ignore list from this thread. People defending Obama by saying "no really, you are just racist". Please- that's a liberal tactic. The grown-ups want to talk. It has nothing to do with his race, at least for me (I can't speak for everyone). If you say "90%" are racist, you are clearly pulling that out of...well... anyway.

You are making way too much sense. You know you are going to piss off the Obammers here by "shifting the goal post."

You think everyone who dismisses the Birther movement are "Obammers," and yet you think you are a good judge of what makes sense? Interesting.

Posted: 1/30/2011 3:21:37 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
didnt obama admit that he was born in Kenya?

lemme find the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se5zvGF6u9g&feature=related

he says that his approval ratings in the US suck but they are still good in the country of his birth

That was a joke, intentionally referencing the Birther movement!

Posted: 1/30/2011 3:22:40 PM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:
didnt obama admit that he was born in Kenya?

lemme find the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se5zvGF6u9g&feature=related

he says that his approval ratings in the US suck but they are still good in the country of his birth

I'm pretty sure that was said at that annual comedy thing they do with the press.

Posted: 1/30/2011 3:23:02 PM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:
I want to see a doctors signature. Hospital address.

I am near enough to BHOs age, and I have a certificate with signatures. Where is his.

I have mine in an envelope postmarked before zip codes. Where is the one he has used all his life.

The COLB they have shown is just the Hawaii printout of the summary infomation. No signatures.

All I can get is the printed copy of mine, try to get a copy of yours today.

Posted: 1/30/2011 3:23:14 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:

Quoted:

It's simple, every one of us in any normal job has to provide our birth certificate to work. If he's supposed to work for the people, why can't he provide a birth certificate? Because he's so much higher and better than us?

FBHO. I'm not a birther, but damn, it pisses me off.

I never submitted my original birth certificate... the one that is black with white writing, mine was destroyed when my basement flooded. I got another copy and it looked just like the one submitted by Obama. I got a passport, jobs, CCW.. everything that I have as documentation of who I am came from that kind of document either first hand or due to something else acquired using it.

I had to produce my Birth Certificate to get a CA Driver's license. Yet this asshat can be on the CA ballot without one.

Posted: 1/30/2011 3:26:35 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I think a big part of it is that the one he released was proven to be a forgery. Apparently, anyway. I don't care too much. *shrug*

When was this proven? It was my understanding that he produced a valid Certificate of Live Birth... the official document provided by is home state.

I'm looking for the other side of the coin. The evidence of a foreign birth that trumps the evidence of US birth.

No, your wrong. What they produced was the short form COLB. The long form does not exist. The short form is only supposed to verify the existence of the long form birth certificate. Hence, the state had no record of his birth when the produced the short form, thus it is a forgery.

BTW, I started adding people to the ignore list from this thread. People defending Obama by saying "no really, you are just racist". Please- that's a liberal tactic. The grown-ups want to talk. It has nothing to do with his race, at least for me (I can't speak for everyone). If you say "90%" are racist, you are clearly pulling that out of...well... anyway.

You know the reason this is pulled. Usually it shuts up pretty quickly anyone who is being accused.

Posted: 1/30/2011 3:39:53 PM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:

You think everyone who dismisses the Birther movement are "Obammers," and yet you think you are a good judge of what makes sense? Interesting.

I never claimed to be a good judge of anything. Your side takes it on faith your man is a natural born citizen with the flimsy document you all keep flaunting on the internet. That's fine.

I am not an ardent birther, I just despise the socialist that is ruining our country. He has created more doubt about his origins than a thousand birthers ever could. Everything about his past is a mystery and he is content to keep it a mystery. Would you at least concede that he is hiding something in his past, whatever it may be?

The doubt in people's minds will always be there. All this talk about moving goal posts... for me, at least, a conventional BC with the typical information regular BCs have (such as the doctor's name) would settle the issue.

Posted: 1/30/2011 3:43:27 PM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:

Quoted:
he's brown, so he must be from africa

Leave it to some to drop the race card....
Intimidate much?

In my opinion, being brown is responsible for about 90% of this birther nonsense.

I'm no birther, but I'd wager a large sum that 90% of the people that oppose obama for any reason also opposed clinton and carter - was being white responsible for that?

I oppose obama because he's fucking liberal/socialist POS and the race card being thrown out every time someone has something negative to say about him is getting fucking old. As a matter of fact I'd venture to guess most that rely on that sorry assed excuse are just compensating for their own latent racist feelings simmering just beneath the surface

I think people hate him because of his politics. I think the birther nonsense is largely based on race. If his dad was from Canada, his birth certificate would have never been brought up.

People hated Gore and Clinton, but I've never heard anyone wanting to see their BC.