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Posted: 3/29/2009 6:54:29 AM EDT
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This bailout fiasco had me wishing along similar lines.
If we could limit any bill to say ten pages or so of common english, with NO riders allowed i figure it would eliminate a lot of pork. We all know pork gets passed often because it is attached to an important piece of legislation. Its a damn suckerfish hitching a ride. Riders are parasitic in nature. they keep the common citizen fron being able to read a bill. Hell bills are so big politicians with an entire staff of flunkys don't even know the details in them. A bill about defense should be about defense not congressional office redecoration. also check out a book called the Death of Common Sense. It is pretty enlightening. eta in on the 2 |
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Posted: 3/29/2009 6:55:08 AM EDT
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There's these ten little rules that Cristians try to live by. Believe in God or not, if people would follow them we wouldn't need very many other laws. ] You DO realize that Christianity doesn't hold the copyright on those, right? And your point is what? I just said follow those 10 rules believer or not and we need few other rules. It doesn't matter one bit to me who originaly wrote them. 
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Posted: 3/29/2009 6:55:08 AM EDT
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No.
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Posted: 3/29/2009 7:00:34 AM EDT
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Every year the politicians add thousands of more laws, subsequenctly nobody knows what they law is because there is too much to comprehend, much of it contradicting itself.
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Posted: 3/29/2009 7:37:46 AM EDT
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I'm in favor of the rule that if you make one law then you need to remove another.
Also, most of what you call laws are regulation or policy. Those need to be stopped. |
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Posted: 3/29/2009 6:11:48 PM EDT
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But you do seem to think that we need to be lectured to and have a government to tell us how to behave..... You DO realize that its not some mysterious entity, right? that government you are complaining about is comprised of your countrymen. Your countrymen who want certain laws passed. if you don't want those laws passed, then gain enough support to overturn them. Its that simple. You DO realize that those same contrymen, having found the ability to use force of government to force their morals down the throats of their fellow men, be those morals Christian, or "Green", or socialist, or athiest do so in spite of a Constitution that would indicate the contrary. And I'm sure that you DO realize that our limited, representive government was founded with an idea that it would protect the rights of the minority and individual against the will of the mob. Might should not make right in a free society. I should not be able to force my will on my fellow man and violate his rights regardless how many votes I garner. The majority of people may some day soon vote to strip us of our 2nd amendment rights and you DO realize that action would be wrong and UnConstitutional regardless how many votes they have, right? The purpose of government should be to protect the rights of it's citizens to life, liberty, and property. To enforce contracts. To have a monetary supply/medium of exchange. Standard weights and measures. A civil court system. NOT to push whatever the cause of the day is upon those who get less votes. Smarmy and condescending. , |
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Posted: 3/29/2009 6:12:59 PM EDT
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I think any potential law should be limited to 50 pages of standard size and type.
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Posted: 3/29/2009 6:29:25 PM EDT
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Blogger Kim DuToit wrote an excellent article a while back offering a nice theory about the proliferation of laws intended to control conduct that should be controlled by social pressures. His analogy was that religous teachings and beliefs combined with social and familial pressures took care of many areas of conduct in the past allowing the legal system to be reserved for serious bad conduct. As society has drifted away from religious faith and most people don't even understand the concept of shame these societal restrictions no longer work and we are forced to fall back to the blind club of law and the legal system to enforce rules of conduct that should be everyday common courtesy. Exactly... Law is supposed to impose a 'morality of last resort'.... However, there are enough people these days with NO other morality... That the law must take up the slack in order to maintain civilization... The volume of law required to govern a moral & self-controlling society is MUCH smaller than the volume NEEDED to control a hedonistic mess like the modern USA... As for the tax code, that's the result of too many deductions and credits being written in to 'help' various interest groups.... Oh absolutely, the moral restrictions placed upon a society by an over-bearing and draconian religion are so much better at ensuring morality, we need only look at the paragons of morality that were the people of medieval Europe or the current shitstorm that is the Middle East. People act morally, or they don't, neither you or anyone else can exert any meaningful control over that, the best you can do is to prepare yourself to act in defense of your own life, liberty, and property and let the chips fall where they may. All attempts at legislating morality have accomplished NOTHING towards promoting truly moral behavior, they have however caused a progressive downward spiral in our freedoms and liberties. Panzer. A society where everyone has to shoot or fight it out to ensure the existence of civilization is a society that is essentially operating under anarchy, and it is NOT a free society by any means... The fact that you can leave for the day, come back, and not find your house stripped clean is NOT due to the 'generally moral nature' of your neighbors, but due to the various forces exerted upon them by others, which prevent them from stealing all your shit... Removing those forces would require you (And them) to all sit home on your porch with a rifle all day (And hope no one across the street gets tired of sitting & decides to shoot at you)... Productive society requires imposed morality - that's what (don't steal, don't kill, don't beat the crap out of someone, etc) all is... These things aren't illegal because of some bogus enlightened 'but they infringe on the rights of others' standard - they are illegal because people want them to be, and have made them such... Simple enough... That same standard applies to everything else that is illegal... And to compare Christianity as it has existed in this nation to Pre-Reformation Europe OR Radical Islam is absolute bullshit... Our dominant religion does a fine job of imposing a moral code on it's followers without causing violence or oppression of others.... And no, having someone tell you they think something you are doing is wrong, or try to convince their elected officials to make it illegal is neither 'violence' nor 'oppression'... You make a lot of bold presumptions here, and if all of your premises were demonstrably true then maybe you'd have a leg to stand on, but they're not, they're just claims you make with no real evidence to support them, they speak to the nature of man and as such can not be proven, nor can they be disproven. The true nature of man is one of those timeless questions that will never truly be answered and cannot be objectively discussed, it is and always will be colored by an individuals prejudices. IMHO however, you suffer from a very common symptom of neo-liberalism, namely you fear your fellow man more than you love your own freedom. It is manifesting itself in somewhat atypical fashion, but the roots of your world view are still embedded in the same poisonous, fear permeated soil. |
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Posted: 3/30/2009 7:16:00 AM EDT
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You make a lot of bold presumptions here, and if all of your premises were demonstrably true then maybe you'd have a leg to stand on, but they're not, they're just claims you make with no real evidence to support them, they speak to the nature of man and as such can not be proven, nor can they be disproven. The true nature of man is one of those timeless questions that will never truly be answered and cannot be objectively discussed, it is and always will be colored by an individuals prejudices. IMHO however, you suffer from a very common symptom of neo-liberalism, namely you fear your fellow man more than you love your own freedom. It is manifesting itself in somewhat atypical fashion, but the roots of your world view are still embedded in the same poisonous, fear permeated soil. The nature of man is pretty well known from history; civilization is a thin veneer that cracks easily. Also, about 1 % of the population population creates problems for the other 99 % even in the best of times, hence the needs for laws. Individual freedom edxists but must be limited at times in the interest of public order. Unfortunately there are those who think there should be no limits on their individual actions. Thats simply an unrealistic expectation in a society of hundreds of millions of people. |
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Posted: 3/30/2009 7:21:52 AM EDT
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I think laws should have expiration dates on them. Shortly before they expire, they should be reviewed to see if they were effective or not. If they were effective, renew them. If not, let them expire.
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