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Link Posted: 7/25/2017 11:42:51 AM EST
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Just what I needed to hear...

30 years too late...  
Link Posted: 7/25/2017 12:39:55 PM EST
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Yeah, that was dumb as shit.

They did the same thing on the maintenance side, as well. They ramped up the recruiting of the 15J MOS to facilitate the transfer of 15J to 15E (UAV Maintainer). Unfortunately, when they started offering 15E at MEPS, they were still heavily recruiting 15Js. For the last few years, promotions were essentially frozen for 15Js trying to make SGT and SSG. They offered a transfer to 15Y (Apache Armament) and 15R (Apache Maintenance), but for some reason they were REALLY picky. Out of 40 15Js in my section, I think one or two of them were selected. All of the rest either got orders to Ft. Bragg (last of the OH58s were there) and/or got a consolation prize and "thanks for playing Army". Now TRADOC is trying to push through an additional 1800 AIT students across all three airframes (on top of the normal student load) next fiscal year.
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I'm going to jump in and echo CFII's post.  If you, or someone you know, wants to be an Army Aviation Warrant Officer, now is the time to start applying!

Aviation Branch is short something like 400-500 pilots.  Fort Rucker is planning on increasing the training load for the next three years to play catch-up.

Part of the problem is more commissioned and warrant officers are leaving the Army than they planned on, but also has to do with the fact that they gave a bunch of OH-58D drivers pink slips and said thank you for your service instead of giving them all AH-64E transitions and moving them to the new ARS formations.

That being said, Uncle Sam wants YOU to come fly his helicopters!
Yeah, that was dumb as shit.

They did the same thing on the maintenance side, as well. They ramped up the recruiting of the 15J MOS to facilitate the transfer of 15J to 15E (UAV Maintainer). Unfortunately, when they started offering 15E at MEPS, they were still heavily recruiting 15Js. For the last few years, promotions were essentially frozen for 15Js trying to make SGT and SSG. They offered a transfer to 15Y (Apache Armament) and 15R (Apache Maintenance), but for some reason they were REALLY picky. Out of 40 15Js in my section, I think one or two of them were selected. All of the rest either got orders to Ft. Bragg (last of the OH58s were there) and/or got a consolation prize and "thanks for playing Army". Now TRADOC is trying to push through an additional 1800 AIT students across all three airframes (on top of the normal student load) next fiscal year.
Personnel decisions are mind numbing...

Fuck
Link Posted: 7/25/2017 1:38:37 PM EST
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Its always been similar. When I was selected in 2010, it was 10/12 for the month.

The problem with the army is that no one knows we have a few thousand aircraft that need to be flown.

But sure, the job has shit parts, just like flying for every single branch (except the coast guard)
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We've got shit parts too. Have you ever been stuck in GTMO with no wifi......the horror is almost incomparable to anything in the human mind.

But in all seriousness, apart from a few random shitty commands, CG Aviation has it pretty good.
Link Posted: 7/25/2017 4:07:24 PM EST
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I'm going to jump in and echo CFII's post.  If you, or someone you know, wants to be an Army Aviation Warrant Officer, now is the time to start applying!

Aviation Branch is short something like 400-500 pilots.  Fort Rucker is planning on increasing the training load for the next three years to play catch-up.

Part of the problem is more commissioned and warrant officers are leaving the Army than they planned on, but also has to do with the fact that they gave a bunch of OH-58D drivers pink slips and said thank you for your service instead of giving them all AH-64E transitions and moving them to the new ARS formations.

That being said, Uncle Sam wants YOU to come fly his helicopters!
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It's true that the white book new class size is increasing to 48 per class in the near term.  That's about average over the 10 years I've taught here.  It's fluctuated from lows of about 36 to highs of 60 since I've been here.

We are still in transition from the legacy TH67 POI to the UH-72 POI.  The facts are that we just don't have enough aircraft or instructors to support what we're currently doing long term so take those increased white book numbers with a grain of salt.  

We're trying but *we* can't fix the problems.
Link Posted: 7/26/2017 9:26:07 AM EST
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It's true that the white book new class size is increasing to 48 per class in the near term.  That's about average over the 10 years I've taught here.  It's fluctuated from lows of about 36 to highs of 60 since I've been here.

We are still in transition from the legacy TH67 POI to the UH-72 POI.  The facts are that we just don't have enough aircraft or instructors to support what we're currently doing long term so take those increased white book numbers with a grain of salt.  

We're trying but *we* can't fix the problems.
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I'm going to jump in and echo CFII's post.  If you, or someone you know, wants to be an Army Aviation Warrant Officer, now is the time to start applying!

Aviation Branch is short something like 400-500 pilots.  Fort Rucker is planning on increasing the training load for the next three years to play catch-up.

Part of the problem is more commissioned and warrant officers are leaving the Army than they planned on, but also has to do with the fact that they gave a bunch of OH-58D drivers pink slips and said thank you for your service instead of giving them all AH-64E transitions and moving them to the new ARS formations.

That being said, Uncle Sam wants YOU to come fly his helicopters!
It's true that the white book new class size is increasing to 48 per class in the near term.  That's about average over the 10 years I've taught here.  It's fluctuated from lows of about 36 to highs of 60 since I've been here.

We are still in transition from the legacy TH67 POI to the UH-72 POI.  The facts are that we just don't have enough aircraft or instructors to support what we're currently doing long term so take those increased white book numbers with a grain of salt.  

We're trying but *we* can't fix the problems.
I'm aware, we've been screaming at HRC and TRADOC in our (USAACE's) USR comments about our shortage of personnel across the board.  With the HQDA EXORD published directing the increase, I suspect we'll get the additional people needed through TRAP actions until the SMDR process catches up. 
Link Posted: 7/26/2017 10:58:15 AM EST
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I'm aware, we've been screaming at HRC and TRADOC in our (USAACE's) USR comments about our shortage of personnel across the board.  With the HQDA EXORD published directing the increase, I suspect we'll get the additional people needed through TRAP actions until the SMDR process catches up. 
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That's good for the .mil side but it still take 3-6 months to mint a new URS IP while it only takes anywhere from zero days to two weeks to lose one.

When the sequester hit we we're forced to lay a bunch of junior folks off that then had to relocate to find other jobs.  Even if we could convince them to come back they still need to transition to the 72.  The response from many of them has been a very understandable "fuck you".  Senior guys retire, get grounded (or literally die) all the time.

We're sucking hind tit and there is no resolution in sight.  The fact is that bad decisions one year usually take 3-5 years to resolve.
Link Posted: 7/26/2017 2:50:48 PM EST
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I'm aware, we've been screaming at HRC and TRADOC in our (USAACE's) USR comments about our shortage of personnel across the board.  With the HQDA EXORD published directing the increase, I suspect we'll get the additional people needed through TRAP actions until the SMDR process catches up. 
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I'm going to jump in and echo CFII's post.  If you, or someone you know, wants to be an Army Aviation Warrant Officer, now is the time to start applying!

Aviation Branch is short something like 400-500 pilots.  Fort Rucker is planning on increasing the training load for the next three years to play catch-up.

Part of the problem is more commissioned and warrant officers are leaving the Army than they planned on, but also has to do with the fact that they gave a bunch of OH-58D drivers pink slips and said thank you for your service instead of giving them all AH-64E transitions and moving them to the new ARS formations.

That being said, Uncle Sam wants YOU to come fly his helicopters!
It's true that the white book new class size is increasing to 48 per class in the near term.  That's about average over the 10 years I've taught here.  It's fluctuated from lows of about 36 to highs of 60 since I've been here.

We are still in transition from the legacy TH67 POI to the UH-72 POI.  The facts are that we just don't have enough aircraft or instructors to support what we're currently doing long term so take those increased white book numbers with a grain of salt.  

We're trying but *we* can't fix the problems.
I'm aware, we've been screaming at HRC and TRADOC in our (USAACE's) USR comments about our shortage of personnel across the board.  With the HQDA EXORD published directing the increase, I suspect we'll get the additional people needed through TRAP actions until the SMDR process catches up. 
It is the same for the AIT courses at Ft. Eustis. All of our TRAP instructors were extended from two to three years, and we are STILL short of personnel. What did not help was that all of the NCOs assigned to CMO, or another non-instructor position, were slotted as instructors. So, on paper we might show as having 40 instructors, but only have maybe 20 actually on the podium. They recently fixed that by slotting them as "writers", which should open up some instructor slots. (Formerly, we all were instructor/writers) To add to that, if you are flagged for any reason, you are yanked off the podium. You cannot even act as an assistant instructor until whatever adverse action that caused you to be flagged is cleared up. We usually have about 2 to 4 instructors that cannot teach for that reason, per year.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 9:55:48 PM EST
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This thread is interesting to me... Commercial pilot with no military experience but helo's sound fun. I have flown an enstrom a couple of times that counts for something right?!
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 11:46:37 PM EST
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Honestly?

Go to the nearest recruiter and say you are interested in the WOFT program. There will be a LOT of pushback. Dont fall for the "its better to enlist" thing. The link I posted above lists the requirements.

You will need a good ASVAB score. A good SIFT score. Pass the flight physical. Pass an APFT. Pass a board.

All doable.
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What is SIFT score?

Is asthma still a complete no go?
Link Posted: 8/1/2017 5:29:37 AM EST
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SIFT is the scientific instrument flight test or some such. Aptitude test for Army aviation, formly known as the AFAST. There's a free study test via the google machine. 
Link Posted: 8/1/2017 10:52:28 AM EST
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As far as I know, yes.  Most medical issues tie into your ability to work in austere conditions with limited medical support.
Link Posted: 8/1/2017 11:52:52 AM EST
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If I was graduating high school right about now, I know what I'd be doing.

As-is, I'm too far down the college path for it to make sense.
Link Posted: 8/1/2017 1:41:43 PM EST
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If I was graduating high school right about now, I know what I'd be doing.

As-is, I'm too far down the college path for it to make sense.
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You're rationalizing.
Link Posted: 8/1/2017 1:54:44 PM EST
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You're rationalizing.  
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If I was graduating high school right about now, I know what I'd be doing.

As-is, I'm too far down the college path for it to make sense.
You're rationalizing.  
Yep.    You either want it, or you don't, SP.
Link Posted: 8/1/2017 7:04:43 PM EST
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If I was graduating high school right about now, I know what I'd be doing.

As-is, I'm too far down the college path for it to make sense.
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Unless you're getting a STEM degree or going into Law, you'll be hard pressed to find a better opportunity.  Finish out your degree and apply. Not joking.

edit because I'm a retard Army Aviator and can't proof-read my own posts.
Link Posted: 8/2/2017 7:56:57 AM EST
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Unless you're getting a STEM degree or going into Law, you'll be hard pressed to find a better opportunity.  Finish out your career and apply. Not joking.
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If I was graduating high school right about now, I know what I'd be doing.

As-is, I'm too far down the college path for it to make sense.
Unless you're getting a STEM degree or going into Law, you'll be hard pressed to find a better opportunity.  Finish out your career and apply. Not joking.
I got out and got my BA and am headed back to take advantage of this opportunity. Fuck doing some white collar bullshit when I can fly helicopters. 
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 9:39:51 AM EST
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TF is always short pilots. Always.
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That's a clue if the 160th is having trouble finding people who even want to fly.

The same kind of clue that the Air Force is getting from running out of fighter pilots.
TF is always short pilots. Always.
FIFY. Sounds like a culture problem.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 12:38:12 PM EST
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The best part is no one can really say what you'll end up doing.

You may find yourself flying serpentine through Eastern Europe as cheap lift assets for EUCOMs various spring / summer exercises.

My collection of sweet "Operation Something or Other 2017" T-shirts has grown immensely.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 2:16:51 PM EST
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The best part is no one can really say what you'll end up doing.

You may find yourself flying serpentine through Eastern Europe as cheap lift assets for EUCOMs various spring / summer exercises.

My collection of sweet "Operation Something or Other 2017" T-shirts has grown immensely.
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I'd love to hang out in Eastern Europe again. Those dudes are crazy and know how to have a good time.
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 8:45:13 PM EST
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Honestly?

Go to the nearest recruiter and say you are interested in the WOFT program. There will be a LOT of pushback. Dont fall for the "its better to enlist" thing. The link I posted above lists the requirements.

You will need a good ASVAB score. A good SIFT score. Pass the flight physical. Pass an APFT. Pass a board.

All doable.
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Think they would take a guy who's about to turn 45 and has to wear glasses?
Link Posted: 8/19/2017 2:55:11 PM EST
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34 year old local tractor trailer driver here with a wife and three small kids.

Happy with my life, and scared of rocking the boat, honestly. Wife is supportive either way. Just trying to think long term, since there's not much upward mobility in my work, outside of owning my own rig.

I'd love to fly helicopters for the Army. Always been fascinated by aviation of all sorts.

Wife was an army brat and knows what the life entails. Her line of work always has openings (high paying openings, at that) on military bases.

Any chance the Army would be interested in taking in me and all those dependents?

Seriously interested.

Thanks!
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 4:20:34 PM EST
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34 year old local tractor trailer driver here with a wife and three small kids.

Happy with my life, and scared of rocking the boat, honestly. Wife is supportive either way. Just trying to think long term, since there's not much upward mobility in my work, outside of owning my own rig.

I'd love to fly helicopters for the Army. Always been fascinated by aviation of all sorts.

Wife was an army brat and knows what the life entails. Her line of work always has openings (high paying openings, at that) on military bases.

Any chance the Army would be interested in taking in me and all those dependents?

Seriously interested.

Thanks!
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You'll need an age waiver at bare minimum.  Start by checking out the following page for the minimum requirements, and if you want to give it a go, visit your local recruiter to start the paperwork.

http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/warrant/prerequ/woft.shtml
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