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Well, OK, but then what did you come on here and fucking whine about it for? To raise your post count? |
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The best line of all time:
Wally World illegal mexican employee: Sir, may I see your eceipt? ARFCOMer: Yo no hablo English Wally World illegal mexican employee: Asked the question in Spanish Arfcomer: I don't speak that fucking language either. & walks out. |
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This is a favorite topic around here. |
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Yes....the lack of a drawn down is disturbing. |
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I'm not dense, I just think that "unreasonable searches and detentions" is a bit of a tinfoil stretch to apply to a Wal-Mart bag checker, as is "to unreasonably detain and search you without probable cause." I mean, c'mon! You're acting like this is the police demanding they search the contents of your safe because you reloaded 3 rounds of ammo for a .25. It's frigging Wal-Mart, people: a private business entity that does have the legal right to demand you show proof of purchase. I suggest YOU read the laws and re-take Business Law 1.01 <<<< period intentionally included. Doing business with a private entity requires you agree to a contract to abide by their stipulations for purchase. Under your fallacy, they would have no right to require ID for a credit card transaction, refuse service after hours, or prevent returns without a receipt. And I am the dense one? Please! You obviously have no business experience or your opinions on the matter outweigh your common sense. Think about it for a minute. I don't want to argue, just to interject some common sense. If their policies are so "illegal" why are they allowed to proceed? |
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I believe the whole "bag checking" thing began when stores started selling merchandise at registers throughout the store. I can go to WalMart, Sears, J.C.Pennies, whatever, and buy things at a checkout, and then walk through the store for some additional shopping. Now , I imagine, that some not-so-honest folks took this as an invitation to put more items in their bags, with the thought that people will not think they stole it, because they have a "store bag". When the stores' Loss Prevention Dep't started to see something was amiss, they started watching the surveillance tapes and soon caught on, HENCE, the need to "check bags"
Now what gets me is when you have MANY bags of stuff, and they want to see the receipt....I have NEVER had any "door Nazi" actually go through my bags, and compare EVERY item to what I actually paid for, it would take entirely too long. Besides, could you imagine this scene around Christmas or Easter, or any other heavily shopped day/holiday of the year?.....We sometimes go to the store and spend $300 on many, many items.......They could never tell if I had something stolen in the bag anyways........... |
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They are only legal with voluntary compliance. You have to agree to the search. If you tell them to piss off, they can't search you. |
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Now that I'd pay to see! The look on the checker's face would be priceless! I actually did that once with a guy who wanted a job. He comes up to the job site and asks for a job. I ask him can he speak spanish. "Si, senior, habla en espanol." I said, "Thanks" and went back to work ignoring him. The look on his face was like, "Um, WTF?" I don't hire walk-on's. |
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I am adding a phrase to my wall mart exit lingo.....
"Fuck You I am leaving." |
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I've had the same stance on this issue since they started doing it in my area. Fuck them!!! Once money exchanges hands the merchandise in my bags is just that MINE.... They cant search MY wallet! They cant search MY GIRLFRIENDS purse ! They cant search MY pockets in my jacket ! Why do so many of you think its ok to search MY bags!!! the items are paid for, im sure they watched every move on camera of the cashier scanning the product. i do not stop and will not stop for them ever. Every time one of them askes to see my bag I feel like ripping my scrotum outa me jeans and telling them to inspect it.
why do I shop there, because their cheap, BUT that doesnt give them the right to search my belongings without PC. |
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Ah, the love hate relationship between ARF and WM.
You guys crack me up. |
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I had $14 worth of faucet repair stems set off the door alarm at the BORG the other day.
I was more shocked that anyone would bother to put a magnetic strip on these things than I was about the door guard stopping me to check my receipt. |
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I did not know that. Citation? I know with the police they can ask and by saying no, they have to have PC. But Wal-Mart? Learn something new every day! So the idea, then, is that once the items are PAID for, they have no right to view the items and compare them to the receipt, right? I guess that makes sense, as the possession has to occur somewhere - and when the money changes hands is usually it. Just didn't think about it that way. |
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+1 |
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Holy shit some of you guys need a little excitement. If you feel tough going toe to toe with some old grandma or grandpa trying to earn a living, more power to ya.
Look, if the person is an asshole, you have the right to turn and burn. If your trying to show how tough you are to some polite, old grandma who's just doing her job, your a clown Keep on fighting the good fight against those evil, rights infringing senior citizens! |
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I think the Nazi NAZIs are getting out of hand here......... |
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You rock, dude. But what if they speak in ebonics? |
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No need for that. Just say no or ignore them and keep on walking. If SHTF, it's because THEY pressed the issue. |
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door nazis are just people on a major power trip. THEY control whether you can leave the store or not
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I'm gonna third that, not as harshly though. You should have stuck to your guns! I had a pretty bad situation at Sam's once. Some guy about 50 was working as the "door nazi" that day. It was pretty busy and after paying for our items, we were headed toward the door and I commented to my wife about how all the shmucks were lining up to let the idiot search their stuff. I swear they had to be 15 people deep. What a fucking insult!!! She mumbles something under her breath like "uh oh, here we go" and started giggleing. I approach the exit and "door nazi" puts on his "daddy voice" and tells me I have to let him search my bags/see my reciept...something like that. (You all know the drill) I said no I don't, and continued on my way. He persisted: "Sir, I have to blah blah blah. I ignored him this time and kept going. Then...he about lost his F^&$ing mind and grabbed my cart. I stopped and stared at him like"I hope you've thought this through, beyond grabbing my cart". He repeats his job duty in a very stern and irritated voice. At this point I'm getting pissed. I take one last shot at diplomacy and calmly put my hand on his shoulder. I looked him straight in the eyes and said, "I understand it's your job, but I don't have to stop, and you can't detain me". I then continued for the door. To this day that man has no idea how fortunate he is that he let go of my cart and continued frisking the other sheeple waiting in line for it. I don't give a shit about who would have been in the wrong or the right. I would have been moraly right at that point in my mind, and that's all that mattered to me. I only stop when my bag triggers the alarm. In the future, don't even talk to them. Don't say one word, because you don't have to! (unless they grab your cart ) |
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Exactly. These guys don't realize that there really isn't all that much drama in telling them to pound sand, not to mention that they really have no recourse. |
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Look, whether or not you routinely stop and let them check your bag is beside the point I'm making.
I'm upset that the shiteating manager made the snide remarks about purchasing so much ammunition. It is, at least, a personal insult and at worst an accusation of criminal behavior. You cannot, and should not, ignore such things. I let them scan my receipt regardless of whether the alarm goes off or not. The day that an employee there even subtlely attacks me for being a shooter/soon-to-be armed robber is the day I stop and make a scene. You should, too. |
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Nope. Has happened maybe 2 times with me. It only goes off when their half-ass "loss prevention" techniques fail. A judge in CO ruled that it does not constitute PC, because the error rate is so high.
No, they don't. They have no legal right to detain me, nor to force me to show my receipt. A private place like a home is a lot different than a privately-owned place open to the public. And I still couldn't legally do it to people leaving my home.
Dramatics? Or is this a new expression I've not yet heard? |
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YOU are the one that included the word "SHOWDOWN" in your thread title, and implied hardassery in asking why. |
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That was the best post made in this thread yet. Good catch. |
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www.crimedoctor.com/loss_prevention_3.htm
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Excuse me but we are a communist utopia. |
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Oh FFS, we all know you would have held the guy down and put your erection on his cheek. |
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something is not quite right here |
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interesting word |
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well, thanks. good to have the approval of an official curmudgeon! |
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No one even comes to check your bags here when the alarm goes off. I have set it off a few times and i always keep walking.
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Would I be ridiculed less for that comment if I had not mentioned "erection", but rather implied a limp dick? Some days I think so. |
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Was this the Wal-mart at University and Lockwood ridge? Thats the only one I have ever been "detained" at, they are the worst, not like other Wal-marts, there is something up with that store and ammo sales.
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Absolutely god-damned right. Some of you pussy fucknuts need to find some other way to get your jollies than hassling some retiree making 6 bucks an hour so he can ends meet. Do you guys really get off on fucking with the damn door man? What's next? Gleefully posting how you gave the retarded kid who straightens the carts some soap flavored joke candy? Let me guess...your thread title would be "WALMART AMMO BUY/CART RETARD OWNED!!" As if things in this world weren't bad enough. Next time you're in Wal Mart buying your 100 round ammo packs, pick up some douche to get the sand out of your pussy, and some tampons to keep any more from getting in. And find another hobby besides giving someone making minimum wage a hard time, asshole. |
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Just move and keep on moving. If they want to unlawfully detain you they may but it's going to cost them a butt-ton of money unless Flordia law gives shopkeepers the powers of arrest and detainment.
Can't buy ammo after 9:00 PM? Some kind of blue law? |
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I was thinking the same thing. |
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Sorry, but it is not a stretch at all..
Dude, what law school did you go to? What bar did you pass? I can assure you that plaintiff's attorneys have made Lots-O-Money off Wally World and other "Private busineesses" taking the same advice that you are giving.
Refer to my question about where you studied law and passed the bar before commenting on legal matters.
Like I said, refer to my above comments about you being dense and also look at my comment regarding shopkeeper's privlege". I find it funny, that someone who is as well versed in this area of the law as you seem to think you are didn't mention that almost universal legal concept.
I have, while in Criminal law, busuiness law and torts & while studying for the bar exam and while defending shoplifters in the criminal courts of Harris County. two of the classes were during my first year of law school. How much time have you put into "THINKING" about the issue? How much time have you spent RESEARCHING THE LAW and CASE LAW?
The aren't. Most people simply consent b/c they are ignorant like you are about the law (or just plain lazy, or just don't really care). Wally World has been sued for wrongful detainment and false arrest and they have lost big They have also won. People generally don't want to fuck with it unless thay are tackled and manhandled in the parking lot. Its the path of least resistance. stop, let them search you and hope they don't detain you for more than a few minutes. |
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Bravo, +1, and good show. |
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"Why do you need so much ammo?"
Correct answer: "Why do you need to ask me a stupid quesion that is going to force me to call corporate and file a complaint on you ass for needless harassment? Do you STILL want me to answer your question now?" |
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Since I posted about one of my incidents, I'll assume you're talking to me. I'm not looking to give anyone a hard time regardless of what they make. I also don't think it's appropriate for someone to give ME a hard time....regardless of what they make, and lets face it, that's what is happening in everyone of these situations. THEY are giving US the hard time! Is it the end of the world? FUCK NO! Is it a big deal? FUCK NO! So take your whiny little pussy party somewhere else. Talk about a keyboard Commando I could care less what you or anyone else hassleing me makes doing their job. There's a lot of shit a lot of people have to take and put up with on a daily basis. Some of us are all out of shittaking. Any and all surplus shit will be promptly returned! ...kinda like your post |
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Correct answer: So much ammo and so little time. Start laughing like your favorite villian. (Arfcom thinking=Underwater bumpfiring) |
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I was actually having this conversation with a deptuy a few weeks ago. Turns out, Florida DOES have a law about it. The little door thingie went *ding*. Walmart now has probably cause to search, according to state statute. NOT allowing them to search is called "Resisting a retail merchant" and can get you a night in jail and a personal meeting with a judge. I have seen it in many persons sriminal histories here in Florida, and wondered what exactly it meant, but it seems that there are a lot of people in Florida who don't like to stop for the door checker, and many of them wind up in the grey bars hotel. |
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