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Nothing against you, I just chose to quote your thread. I was being a devils advocate [ROFL2]. I am indeed an athiest. I am here (on AR15), because it's entertaining, a supurb knowledge base, and I am indeed a firearms enthusiast.
[red]I always find it interesting how fast you guys jump on someone who's spiritual vision is different than yours. Of course, they are the ones who 'have their head in the sand', and you are the ones who have the path to heaven wired. [/red]
This, of course, applies to the argument because it shows how critical a secular government is...
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Can't speak for anyone else, but I feel justified in jumping on someone else who is claiming to take a position based on the Bible (the owner's manual for life), when that position isn't factually based on Scripture.
In other words, if you're going to quote what the Bible says as the reason why you do something, you better get it right!
Wouldn't you yell at someone who says the law allows you to carry a shotgun with less than a 16" barrel, without any special paperwork? Of course, because that position is based on a misreading of the law.
In this case, there are plenty of Scriptural references that shoot this guy's position down. (pardon the pun.)
Look at it another way. We are the most precious thing to God. Wouldn't it make sense that God would want us to protect that most precious of gifts to us, our lives, to the maximum extent possible? To back that up, there are Scriptural references saying defend yourself, your family, strangers, and your country from harm.
He's partly right--Christians should be gentle, and peaceful, and humble. None of those words imply allowing evil to visit you by your inaction, or your use as a doormat by others.
So, I'd also say give the guy a good whack with a heavy Bible and tell him to disengage his head from his fourth point of contact.
[edited for spelling and board code stuff]