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Posted: 8/19/2017 5:48:09 PM EDT
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Fair Winds and Following Seas Shipmates.
For seventy-two years you stood the watch. Shipmates, you stand relieved, we have the watch. 
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Posted: 8/19/2017 5:48:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/19/2017 5:54:45 PM EDT
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RIP.
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Posted: 8/19/2017 5:56:16 PM EDT
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it's a good lookin ship. Man, Paul Allen has the best job... that guy spends his time doing the coolest shit... especially if you're into history.. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 5:59:31 PM EDT
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No matter how secret the mission, there was some number of people ashore who KNEW she was overdue. The questions that should be asked is who, and what actions did they take, or why didn't they? When she was sunk, the TS part of the mission was complete, and her movement should have been no more classified than any other Cruiser. It clearly describes how the Navy knew of her departure time/date from Guam, and thus had a reasonable estimate of her intended arrival time in Leyte in the Philippines. Nobody even took notice of her lack of arrival until almost THREE DAYS after she was supposed to arrive. Then some PBY's on patrol spotted many sailors and life rafts strung out for several miles in the Philippine Sea, and landed to assist. At that point, the pieces came together. About 800 men of the Indy survived the sinking, only to have exposure and sharks take about 300 of them before their discovery and rescue. Captain Mcvay of the Indy was made the scapegoat for "allowing the sinking" of his vessel. In his court martial, they even brought in the captain of the Japanese sub that torpedoed the Indy. That sub captain said the the lack of zig-zag manuvers by the Indy played no part in the ease of torpedoing the ship. It was a full moon night, with no clouds, and a calm sea. The Indianapolis stood out on the horizon plain as day, and was an easy target, since she was alone. None the less, Mcvay was blamed. He committed suicide in 1963, with the burden of the deaths of his crew around his neck. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:00:33 PM EDT
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When there was a Nuclear submarine named USS Indianapolis, the ships logo included a Gold Star for CA-35.
 Memorial Day 2020 - U.S. Naval Academy Glee Club - U.S.S. Arizona Memorial |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:06:36 PM EDT
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Lying at a depth of 18,000 feet? I don't think they need to worry about too many casual souvenir hunters.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's good that they found it, but it shouldn't be disturbed Protected by law and is still property of United States Navy I don't think they need to worry about too many casual souvenir hunters. Also, regarding your "closure" remarks... No, it's not a retarded term. There is such a thing and the families will feel a sense of closure now that the wreckage has been located. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:08:54 PM EDT
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Herbie Robinson from Cleveland
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:10:30 PM EDT
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You Navy surface guys, how did a cruiser rank in size comparable to the other ships classes? Was it the next step down from battleship? Indianapolis was 610 feet long, and displaced 9,950 tons. It's important to remember that, since Indianapolis was designed to treaty induced limitations, these are artificial. Cruisers of a generation before might be shorter, but would displace 3,000 to 5,000 tons more. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:10:41 PM EDT
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When there was a Nuclear submarine named USS Indianapolis, the ships logo included a Gold Star for CA-35. http://www.combatindex.com/hardware/images/sea/ssn/Insignia/ssn697_patch.jpg  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQOzUqdOVDU |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:11:59 PM EDT
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Understood and agreed. I just think the word gets overplayed by the media to the extent that it implies that people can "forget and move on." No, they can't. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No offense to OP intended, but IMO this word/concept, in the sense presented, is one of the most retarded word/concepts in the English language. You know, when they find the heads of the victims in the serial killer's refrigerator, that really DOESN'T give "closure" to the victim's families. It just means "they know what happened their heads now." |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:18:14 PM EDT
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When there was a Nuclear submarine named USS Indianapolis, the ships logo included a Gold Star for CA-35. http://www.combatindex.com/hardware/images/sea/ssn/Insignia/ssn697_patch.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQOzUqdOVDU |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:20:40 PM EDT
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There is a book written about the USS Indianapolis sinking called "In Harm's Way" It clearly describes how the Navy knew of her departure time/date from Guam, and thus had a reasonable estimate of her intended arrival time in Leyte in the Philippines. Nobody even took notice of her lack of arrival until almost THREE DAYS after she was supposed to arrive. Then some PBY's on patrol spotted many sailors and life rafts strung out for several miles in the Philippine Sea, and landed to assist. At that point, the pieces came together. About 800 men of the Indy survived the sinking, only to have exposure and sharks take about 300 of them before their discovery and rescue. Captain Mcvay of the Indy was made the scapegoat for "allowing the sinking" of his vessel. In his court martial, they even brought in the captain of the Japanese sub that torpedoed the Indy. That sub captain said the the lack of zig-zag manuvers by the Indy played no part in the ease of torpedoing the ship. It was a full moon night, with no clouds, and a calm sea. The Indianapolis stood out on the horizon plain as day, and was an easy target, since she was alone. None the less, Mcvay was blamed. He committed suicide in 1963, with the burden of the deaths of his crew around his neck. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No matter how secret the mission, there was some number of people ashore who KNEW she was overdue. The questions that should be asked is who, and what actions did they take, or why didn't they? When she was sunk, the TS part of the mission was complete, and her movement should have been no more classified than any other Cruiser. It clearly describes how the Navy knew of her departure time/date from Guam, and thus had a reasonable estimate of her intended arrival time in Leyte in the Philippines. Nobody even took notice of her lack of arrival until almost THREE DAYS after she was supposed to arrive. Then some PBY's on patrol spotted many sailors and life rafts strung out for several miles in the Philippine Sea, and landed to assist. At that point, the pieces came together. About 800 men of the Indy survived the sinking, only to have exposure and sharks take about 300 of them before their discovery and rescue. Captain Mcvay of the Indy was made the scapegoat for "allowing the sinking" of his vessel. In his court martial, they even brought in the captain of the Japanese sub that torpedoed the Indy. That sub captain said the the lack of zig-zag manuvers by the Indy played no part in the ease of torpedoing the ship. It was a full moon night, with no clouds, and a calm sea. The Indianapolis stood out on the horizon plain as day, and was an easy target, since she was alone. None the less, Mcvay was blamed. He committed suicide in 1963, with the burden of the deaths of his crew around his neck. 
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:22:04 PM EDT
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I didn't realize we didn't know the location of her wreck.
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:23:45 PM EDT
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More wreckage pics here Link to pics http://interactives.indystar.com/news/standing/USSIndianapolis/images/USSIndy_overall_crop.jpg The viz at 18,000 feet of depth, is far better than I have ever seen around here at 140'  .
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:25:01 PM EDT
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What the Navy did to Captain McVay was a disgrace.
RIP Captain. 
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:34:11 PM EDT
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I think I watched about five minutes of that before I had to turn it off because it was retarded. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have the Democrats tried to destroy it yet?  Figures. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:36:22 PM EDT
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I read the book "Abandon Ship" about the Indianapolis. It was a latter version with revisions since its original publishing. Well worth your time if you are looking for a good read. I'm glad Congress got around in the late nineties and absolved Captain McVay of responsibility for the loss of his vessel.
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:39:30 PM EDT
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Some years ago, I had occasion to spend an afternoon getting crocked with a USS Indianapolis survivor. It was an experience I'll never forget.
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:41:45 PM EDT
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“Japanese submarine slammed two torpedoes into her side, Chief. We was comin’ back from the island of Tinian to Leyte. We’d just delivered the bomb. The Hiroshima bomb. Eleven hundred men went into the water. Vessel went down in 12 minutes.
Didn’t see the first shark for about a half-hour. Tiger. 13-footer. You know how you know that in the water, Chief? You can tell by lookin’ from the dorsal to the tail. What we didn’t know, was that our bomb mission was so secret, no distress signal had been sent. They didn’t even list us overdue for a week. Very first light, Chief, sharks come cruisin’ by, so we formed ourselves into tight groups. It was sorta like you see in the calendars, you know the infantry squares in the old calendars like the Battle of Waterloo and the idea was the shark come to the nearest man, that man he starts poundin’ and hollerin’ and sometimes that shark he go away… but sometimes he wouldn’t go away. Sometimes that shark looks right at ya. Right into your eyes. And the thing about a shark is he’s got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll’s eyes. When he comes at ya, he doesn’t even seem to be livin’… ’til he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then… ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin’. The ocean turns red, and despite all your poundin’ and your hollerin’ those sharks come in and… they rip you to pieces. You know by the end of that first dawn, lost a hundred men. I don’t know how many sharks there were, maybe a thousand. I do know how many men, they averaged six an hour. Thursday mornin’, Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player. Boson’s mate. I thought he was asleep. I reached over to wake him up. He bobbed up, down in the water, he was like a kinda top. Upended. Well, he’d been bitten in half below the waist. At noon on the fifth day, a Lockheed Ventura swung in low and he spotted us, a young pilot, lot younger than Mr. Hooper here, anyway he spotted us and a few hours later a big ol’ fat PBY come down and started to pick us up. You know that was the time I was most frightened. Waitin’ for my turn. I’ll never put on a lifejacket again. So, eleven hundred men went into the water. 316 men come out, the sharks took the rest, June the 29th, 1945. Anyway, we delivered the bomb.”  Jaws (1975) - The Indianapolis Speech Scene (7/10) | Movieclips |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:45:29 PM EDT
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The sinking of the USS Indianapolis was actually covered in my 11th grade American History Class (1977) when we were discussing the use of the atomic bombs on Japan.
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:46:31 PM EDT
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“Japanese submarine slammed two torpedoes into her side, Chief. We was comin’ back from the island of Tinian to Leyte. We’d just delivered the bomb. The Hiroshima bomb. Eleven hundred men went into the water. Vessel went down in 12 minutes. Didn’t see the first shark for about a half-hour. Tiger. 13-footer. You know how you know that in the water, Chief? You can tell by lookin’ from the dorsal to the tail. What we didn’t know, was that our bomb mission was so secret, no distress signal had been sent. They didn’t even list us overdue for a week. Very first light, Chief, sharks come cruisin’ by, so we formed ourselves into tight groups. It was sorta like you see in the calendars, you know the infantry squares in the old calendars like the Battle of Waterloo and the idea was the shark come to the nearest man, that man he starts poundin’ and hollerin’ and sometimes that shark he go away… but sometimes he wouldn’t go away. Sometimes that shark looks right at ya. Right into your eyes. And the thing about a shark is he’s got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll’s eyes. When he comes at ya, he doesn’t even seem to be livin’… ’til he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then… ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin’. The ocean turns red, and despite all your poundin’ and your hollerin’ those sharks come in and… they rip you to pieces. You know by the end of that first dawn, lost a hundred men. I don’t know how many sharks there were, maybe a thousand. I do know how many men, they averaged six an hour. Thursday mornin’, Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player. Boson’s mate. I thought he was asleep. I reached over to wake him up. He bobbed up, down in the water, he was like a kinda top. Upended. Well, he’d been bitten in half below the waist. At noon on the fifth day, a Lockheed Ventura swung in low and he spotted us, a young pilot, lot younger than Mr. Hooper here, anyway he spotted us and a few hours later a big ol’ fat PBY come down and started to pick us up. You know that was the time I was most frightened. Waitin’ for my turn. I’ll never put on a lifejacket again. So, eleven hundred men went into the water. 316 men come out, the sharks took the rest, June the 29th, 1945. Anyway, we delivered the bomb.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9S41Kplsbs |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:51:49 PM EDT
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No, I definitely read that with Capt. Quint speaking it in my head.
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:55:46 PM EDT
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No offense to OP intended, but IMO this word/concept, in the sense presented, is one of the most retarded word/concepts in the English language. You know, when they find the heads of the victims in the serial killer's refrigerator, that really DOESN'T give "closure" to the victim's families. It just means "they know what happened their heads now." Now they know the final resting place at least. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:56:52 PM EDT
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Damn, that's half way to the Mariana Trench ( 36,070 feet ) |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 7:02:16 PM EDT
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Was looking at the other photos... The paint has held up REALLY well.
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Posted: 8/19/2017 7:05:37 PM EDT
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Amazing how well preserved the ship is and how good the visibility is...
RIP to all aboard.
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Posted: 8/19/2017 7:11:15 PM EDT
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There is a book written about the USS Indianapolis sinking called "In Harm's Way" It clearly describes how the Navy knew of her departure time/date from Guam, and thus had a reasonable estimate of her intended arrival time in Leyte in the Philippines. Nobody even took notice of her lack of arrival until almost THREE DAYS after she was supposed to arrive. Then some PBY's on patrol spotted many sailors and life rafts strung out for several miles in the Philippine Sea, and landed to assist. At that point, the pieces came together. About 800 men of the Indy survived the sinking, only to have exposure and sharks take about 300 of them before their discovery and rescue. Captain Mcvay of the Indy was made the scapegoat for "allowing the sinking" of his vessel. In his court martial, they even brought in the captain of the Japanese sub that torpedoed the Indy. That sub captain said the the lack of zig-zag manuvers by the Indy played no part in the ease of torpedoing the ship. It was a full moon night, with no clouds, and a calm sea. The Indianapolis stood out on the horizon plain as day, and was an easy target, since she was alone. None the less, Mcvay was blamed. He committed suicide in 1963, with the burden of the deaths of his crew around his neck. Eventually, they succeeded. To me, that speaks volumes about the man, no matter what the Navy says.He had to have been a good leader, to inspire that kind of loyalty. As I recall, reports claimed there were no IJN submarines in the area. (And nowhere close, if I recall correctly). There was no reason for the captain to expect the ship would come under attack from a submarine. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 7:12:39 PM EDT
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From the pictures, it is incredibly well preserved. Some of the paint stenciling looks like it was done last week!
It is definitely a war grave, but since the ships bell is clearly visible and apparently accessible without disturbing any structure, I think the USN should recover it for a proper memorial. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 7:15:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/19/2017 7:21:25 PM EDT
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So we know Little Boy was aboard the Indy...
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Posted: 8/19/2017 7:26:58 PM EDT
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So we know Little Boy was aboard the Indy... I had a thought earlier and cant seem to find an answer. How did Fat Man get to Tinian? ETA: Actually it looks like three Fat Man type bomb assemblies were transported. Someone posted here awhile ago, that there were many practice bombing runs over Japan before the actual bomb was dropped. It would look like and have the same characteristics, just filled with conventional explosives. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 7:28:03 PM EDT
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Some years ago, I had occasion to spend an afternoon getting crocked with a USS Indianapolis survivor. It was an experience I'll never forget. He passed in his sleep after I had joined the Marines in 93. He was a great man. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 7:34:54 PM EDT
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Can't believe how well it has held up after being submerged for 72 years.
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Posted: 8/19/2017 7:35:19 PM EDT
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That gives me chills |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 7:35:21 PM EDT
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“Japanese submarine slammed two torpedoes into her side, Chief. We was comin’ back from the island of Tinian to Leyte. We’d just delivered the bomb. The Hiroshima bomb. Eleven hundred men went into the water. Vessel went down in 12 minutes. Didn’t see the first shark for about a half-hour. Tiger. 13-footer. You know how you know that in the water, Chief? You can tell by lookin’ from the dorsal to the tail. What we didn’t know, was that our bomb mission was so secret, no distress signal had been sent. They didn’t even list us overdue for a week. Very first light, Chief, sharks come cruisin’ by, so we formed ourselves into tight groups. It was sorta like you see in the calendars, you know the infantry squares in the old calendars like the Battle of Waterloo and the idea was the shark come to the nearest man, that man he starts poundin’ and hollerin’ and sometimes that shark he go away… but sometimes he wouldn’t go away. Sometimes that shark looks right at ya. Right into your eyes. And the thing about a shark is he’s got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll’s eyes. When he comes at ya, he doesn’t even seem to be livin’… ’til he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then… ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin’. The ocean turns red, and despite all your poundin’ and your hollerin’ those sharks come in and… they rip you to pieces. You know by the end of that first dawn, lost a hundred men. I don’t know how many sharks there were, maybe a thousand. I do know how many men, they averaged six an hour. Thursday mornin’, Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player. Boson’s mate. I thought he was asleep. I reached over to wake him up. He bobbed up, down in the water, he was like a kinda top. Upended. Well, he’d been bitten in half below the waist. At noon on the fifth day, a Lockheed Ventura swung in low and he spotted us, a young pilot, lot younger than Mr. Hooper here, anyway he spotted us and a few hours later a big ol’ fat PBY come down and started to pick us up. You know that was the time I was most frightened. Waitin’ for my turn. I’ll never put on a lifejacket again. So, eleven hundred men went into the water. 316 men come out, the sharks took the rest, June the 29th, 1945. Anyway, we delivered the bomb.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9S41Kplsbs |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 7:36:56 PM EDT
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Amazing how well preserved the ship is and how good the visibility is... RIP to all aboard. Here's her bridge, as imaged almost 20 years-ago, during Robert Ballard's expedition to find the ship and other Battle of Midway wrecks. 
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Posted: 8/19/2017 7:40:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/19/2017 7:44:35 PM EDT
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The sub that sank her was armed with Kaiten, manned suicide torpedos, but the captain elected to use conventional ones.
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Posted: 8/19/2017 7:48:08 PM EDT
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Lying at a depth of 18,000 feet? I don't think they need to worry about too many casual souvenir hunters. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 8:16:31 PM EDT
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No matter how secret the mission, there was some number of people ashore who KNEW she was overdue. The questions that should be asked is who, and what actions did they take, or why didn't they? When she was sunk, the TS part of the mission was complete, and her movement should have been no more classified than any other Cruiser. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 9:06:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/19/2017 9:06:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/19/2017 9:07:31 PM EDT
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My Great Uncle Paul Uffleman was a Marine on board the Indy, he survived thatvand went on to Chosin Reservoir with Chesty, did two tours in Viet Nam, then off to Beruit. He passed in his sleep after I had joined the Marines in 93. He was a great man.  Semper Fidelis - USMC West Coast Composite Band - 2010 Bandfest Pass in Review |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 9:18:32 PM EDT
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I thought that the Hiroshima bomb was"Fat Man" and "Little Boy" was the Nagasaki bomb.
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Posted: 8/19/2017 9:18:37 PM EDT
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Fair Winds and Following Seas Shipmates. For seventy-two years you stood the watch. Shipmates, you stand relieved, we have the watch.
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Posted: 8/19/2017 9:20:13 PM EDT
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Am I the only one that read that in "the voice"? |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 9:27:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/19/2017 9:28:22 PM EDT
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Shaw did that scene drunk on whiskey. He died 3 years later of a heart attack. 5. The movie’s best scene required a do-over.OK, so we all agree that the USS Indianapolis speech is the best part of the movie, right? Even if it’s not your personal top scene, most Jaws fans agree that it’s captivating, clearly in the running for the movie’s best monologue. Well, Shaw had an idea for how to make it come out just right. The characters are drinking during the scene leading up to the monologue, he reasoned, so in the spirit of dramatic accuracy, he should drink a bit, too. Just a little. A wee tipple … or, as it turned out, so much that he blacked out and had to be carried back to the set. Late that night, Shaw called Spielberg, panicked, unable to remember if he had done anything embarrassing. He asked that they try the scene again the next day.6. The reshot Indianapolis scene was perfected thanks to Shaw’s skill as a writer.Two reasons why the Indianapolis scene turned out so remarkably well: 1. A contrite Shaw played it sober, nailing it in just a few takes. 2. Shaw rewrote the scene. In addition to being an Oscar-nominated actor, Shaw was an award-winning writer of novels, plays and screenplays, and when he took a crack at polishing up the monologue, he made it into something unforgettable. Spielberg asserts that the monologue was a joint effort between two screenwriters and Shaw, while others say that Shaw did the heavy lifting to make the monologue so perfect (though one or more of the writers didn’t quite do their research: Quint says the ship sank “June the 29th, 1945,” but it was actually July 30 when the Indianapolis went down). Dreyfuss, whose Hooper listens with horrified fascination as Quint’s tale unfolds, said that he wasn’t just acting: He really couldn’t tear his eyes away from Shaw, and the monologue was “one of the most riveting things” he’d “ever seen or heard.” more here |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 9:29:27 PM EDT
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