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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:07:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, yeah no. Now anyone that has or wants an "assault suppressor" must turn it in for the mandatory buyback. You can't have military level weaponry. Now pick up that can! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So "in common usage" soon  LOL, yeah no. Now anyone that has or wants an "assault suppressor" must turn it in for the mandatory buyback. You can't have military level weaponry. Now pick up that can! They already established precedent for "common usage" with Tasers, 100,000 was considered "common usage". A lot more machineguns or suppressors in the registry than that... |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:24:02 AM EDT
[#2]
This is not gonna be good for the m27/38.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:30:53 AM EDT
[#3]
I thought Marines only got Army hand-me-downs
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:35:34 AM EDT
[#4]
This will end in disaster. Suppressors are not average joe safe.
Even for the gun enthusiasts on here some of us know diddly squat about gas adjustment.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:44:34 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is not gonna be good for the m27/38. Why? |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:52:22 AM EDT
[#6]
Those clone builds just got $200 more expensive
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Posted: 1/14/2021 3:08:59 AM EDT
[#7]
Seems like a terrible choice. Long, heavy, not that quiet silencer on already longish guns. Seems like a K can with a flash hider endcap would be a lot more versatile, add less kit weight, and give the same benefits...
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Posted: 1/14/2021 3:14:05 AM EDT
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Will probably have a net negative effect on hearing loss due to false sense of safety.
Fewer people will wear thier earpro because "it's not loud with the can on"... meanwhile the port noise from the M4/M16 gas bleed is still louder than the suppressed muzzle report (port noise is like 143+ dB and 8" from your ear). |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 3:16:14 AM EDT
[#9]
I swear KAC gives kickbacks to the procurement officers...I bet these can's are costing .gov twice as much as a Dead Air or Surefire...
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Posted: 1/14/2021 3:16:59 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The army's compact semi-auto sniper system selected the original OSS can that is two-part and octagonal. Yeah that was it. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 3:20:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I swear KAC gives kickbacks to the procurement officers...I bet these can's are costing .gov twice as much as a Dead Air or Surefire... KAC probably gives them a sweet deal, plus KAC has had plenty of contracts to show their worth in manufacturing and delivery. I don't think it's a great can for a designated marksman role though. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 3:22:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like a terrible choice. Long, heavy, not that quiet silencer on already longish guns. Seems like a K can with a flash hider endcap would be a lot more versatile, add less kit weight, and give the same benefits... The only thing the Surfire has over the NT4 is weight. The NT4 sounds better and is more durable. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 3:25:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The army's compact semi-auto sniper system selected the original OSS can that is two-part and octagonal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I love the way the kac looks. I thought the army was also looking at cans but they liked the oss helix or whatever. The army's compact semi-auto sniper system selected the original OSS can that is two-part and octagonal. IIRC, OSS is the only suppressor that HK gives the thumbs up to for their 416/417 rifles because the OSS design pushes more gas out of the suppressor than every other suppressor that is made. The 416/417 key feature for being gas piston is cleanliness, and a suppressor on an HK will get just as dirty as an M4/M16, unless the HK has the OSS, which is less dirty. The OSS doesn't suppressor very well. From the shooters perspective, its great. But forward of the muzzle it's quite loud compared to other suppressors due to the ejection of the gas out the front of the can. However IIRC, the OSS also has almost zero to complete zero muzzle flash. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 3:51:05 AM EDT
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Works for me. They have been thinking out of the box lately IMO. Ammo (Mk. 262 and Mk. 318), M27 (Which I was skeptical of concept initially) and now this. Not here to debate just seem like good directions to pursue.
ETA: They also embraced the M4/ ACOG concept. I know not all this happened yesterday but it is a big transition in thinking. Again IMO. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:16:56 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It isnt just military that use them. But if they are military equipment it wasn't stolen at the user level. +1 Anybody individually issued equipment, down to canteens, magazine pouches, etc., has had the experience of having to go "out in town" and buy a replacement to turn in, in place of one that was misplaced. Not to mention entire units having to spend Saturdays searching the training area looking for the spare barrel or whatever that somebody dropped in the middle of the exercise. Users are not diverting stuff to eBay. That is being done somewhere further up the supply chain, by people who have access to warehouses full of stuff. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:37:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Will probably have a net negative effect on hearing loss due to false sense of safety. Fewer people will wear thier earpro because "it's not loud with the can on"... meanwhile the port noise from the M4/M16 gas bleed is still louder than the suppressed muzzle report (port noise is like 143+ dB and 8" from your ear). The 416 doesn't have 'port noise'. It vents gas forward off the gas block. The HKs will beat the shit out of themselves though. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:42:22 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They already established precedent for "common usage" with Tasers, 100,000 was considered "common usage". A lot more machineguns or suppressors in the registry than that... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So "in common usage" soon LOL, yeah no. Now anyone that has or wants an "assault suppressor" must turn it in for the mandatory buyback. You can't have military level weaponry. Now pick up that can! They already established precedent for "common usage" with Tasers, 100,000 was considered "common usage". A lot more machineguns or suppressors in the registry than that... It will be interesting to see what SCOTUS says when/if the Bumpstock ban gets to them. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:45:03 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NT4 is old tech isn't it? ...The NT4? Are you fucking kidding me? 90’s and early 2000’s. Solidly built, durable, probably cheaper, but fucking heavy, needs its own mount, doesn’t RTZ, and isn’t exactly low back pressure. WTF... KAC has a newer version that’s lighter and overall superior. Doesn’t make sense to go for the older model here. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:45:14 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Will probably have a net negative effect on hearing loss due to false sense of safety. Fewer people will wear thier earpro because "it's not loud with the can on"... meanwhile the port noise from the M4/M16 gas bleed is still louder than the suppressed muzzle report (port noise is like 143+ dB and 8" from your ear). Wrong. Ear pro is only used on places like the rifle/KD range....or at least should be. In training, especially with live ammo, and in theatre, ear plugs for the riflemen are a no-no. And not everyone in the military has special combat communication headphones. What I'm trying to say is, is that suppressor or no suppressor, there would be no difference. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:58:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Works for me. They have been thinking out of the box lately IMO. Ammo (Mk. 262 and Mk. 318), M27 (Which I was skeptical of concept initially) and now this. Not here to debate just seem like good directions to pursue. ETA: They also embraced the M4/ ACOG concept. I know not all this happened yesterday but it is a big transition in thinking. Again IMO. Unfortunately the Commandant has his brain dead idea of getting rid of tanks and sending an infantry plt to Betio to guard some Himars so we can kill the Chinese Navy. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 11:08:10 AM EDT
[#21]
I predict a lot of marines with suppressor brands in the future.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:18:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AT4 AND the 203. They probably gave him half a dozen batteries for the radios too. I bet that as soon as they reach 100% fielding of the suppressor, they will adopt the the 6.8MM round... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I just feel bad for that poor fucker humping that AT-4. The look on his face tells me he is thoroughly satisfied with his life choices. “ join the Corps they said, it’ll be fun they said“ AT4 AND the 203. They probably gave him half a dozen batteries for the radios too. I bet that as soon as they reach 100% fielding of the suppressor, they will adopt the the 6.8MM round... When he walks by, other Marines giggle and whisper to each other, “guess which dumb bastard fucked the platoon commander’s daughter?” |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:30:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When he walks by, other Marines giggle and whisper to each other, "guess which dumb bastard fucked the platoon commander's daughter?" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I just feel bad for that poor fucker humping that AT-4. The look on his face tells me he is thoroughly satisfied with his life choices. " join the Corps they said, it'll be fun they said" AT4 AND the 203. They probably gave him half a dozen batteries for the radios too. I bet that as soon as they reach 100% fielding of the suppressor, they will adopt the the 6.8MM round... When he walks by, other Marines giggle and whisper to each other, "guess which dumb bastard fucked the platoon commander's daughter?" Considering most plt commanders are mid 20s, zero |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:33:33 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ...The NT4? Are you fucking kidding me? 90’s and early 2000’s. Solidly built, durable, probably cheaper, but fucking heavy, needs its own mount, doesn’t RTZ, and isn’t exactly low back pressure. WTF... KAC has a newer version that’s lighter and overall superior. Doesn’t make sense to go for the older model here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: NT4 is old tech isn't it? ...The NT4? Are you fucking kidding me? 90’s and early 2000’s. Solidly built, durable, probably cheaper, but fucking heavy, needs its own mount, doesn’t RTZ, and isn’t exactly low back pressure. WTF... KAC has a newer version that’s lighter and overall superior. Doesn’t make sense to go for the older model here. Don't most QA suppressors have proprietary mounts? Doesn't return to zero? So are you saying that if you remove the can and then put it back on that the POI shifts? I haven't experienced that with my NT4. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:37:35 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Now give them this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISRIB This is a weird response to this post. What, do you want them to stop drooling, eating crayons and drawing dicks everywhere? |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:51:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When he walks by, other Marines giggle and whisper to each other, “guess which dumb bastard fucked the platoon commander’s daughter?”  Platoons are generally commanded by lieutenants, who are generally in their early 20s. They don't generally have datable daughters. Maybe their Divisional commanders. |
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