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Posted: 9/7/2023 2:55:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The US should weaponize the Falcon Heavy. Just fill that thing with as many W87/88 as possible. It could be named Nuke Bukkake. Starship. 200 tons to LEO. Just fill it full and park it in orbit. 90 minutes to damnation. |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 3:03:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The US should weaponize the Falcon Heavy. Just fill that thing with as many W87/88 as possible. It could be named Nuke Bukkake. As cool as it would be, we grew out of liquid fueled missiles in the 60s for a reason. |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 3:26:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What makes you think we're only testing an ICBM?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: At this point what does it prove to show we're capable of launching a missile? Spacex launches them about once a week. That’s my point with all of Space X’s tests, are they really commercial? |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 3:28:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are putting up a ton of satellites for SPACECOM. It's not even remotely secret. They put a bunch up just a few days ago. https://www.space.com/spacex-launch-space-force-second-tranche-0-mission Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: At this point what does it prove to show we’re capable of launching a missile? Spacex launches them about once a week. Well it also makes one wonder if Space X is testing more then commercial rockets? They are putting up a ton of satellites for SPACECOM. It's not even remotely secret. They put a bunch up just a few days ago. https://www.space.com/spacex-launch-space-force-second-tranche-0-mission I’m aware of that, but allot of their testing could be (air fingers) commercial but really next generation ICBM’s? How better to hide something then the private sector in plain sight? |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 3:28:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s my point with all of Space X’s tests, are they really commercial? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: At this point what does it prove to show we're capable of launching a missile? Spacex launches them about once a week. That’s my point with all of Space X’s tests, are they really commercial? No. Quite a bit are for government customers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Falcon_9_and_Falcon_Heavy_launches |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 3:33:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m aware of that, but allot of their testing could be (air fingers) commercial but really next generation ICBM’s? How better to hide something then the private sector in plain sight? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: At this point what does it prove to show we’re capable of launching a missile? Spacex launches them about once a week. Well it also makes one wonder if Space X is testing more then commercial rockets? They are putting up a ton of satellites for SPACECOM. It's not even remotely secret. They put a bunch up just a few days ago. https://www.space.com/spacex-launch-space-force-second-tranche-0-mission I’m aware of that, but allot of their testing could be (air fingers) commercial but really next generation ICBM’s? How better to hide something then the private sector in plain sight? When was the last liquid fueled ICBM we fielded? On top of that, how useful is a a system that uses supercooled LOX that has a usable time measured in minutes as an ICBM? |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 3:38:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When was the last liquid fueled ICBM we fielded? On top of that, how useful is a a system that uses supercooled LOX that has a usable time measured in minutes as an ICBM? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: At this point what does it prove to show we’re capable of launching a missile? Spacex launches them about once a week. Well it also makes one wonder if Space X is testing more then commercial rockets? They are putting up a ton of satellites for SPACECOM. It's not even remotely secret. They put a bunch up just a few days ago. https://www.space.com/spacex-launch-space-force-second-tranche-0-mission I’m aware of that, but allot of their testing could be (air fingers) commercial but really next generation ICBM’s? How better to hide something then the private sector in plain sight? When was the last liquid fueled ICBM we fielded? On top of that, how useful is a a system that uses supercooled LOX that has a usable time measured in minutes as an ICBM? Titan ll |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 3:46:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/7/2023 3:54:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m aware of that, but allot of their testing could be (air fingers) commercial but really next generation ICBM’s? How better to hide something then the private sector in plain sight? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: At this point what does it prove to show we’re capable of launching a missile? Spacex launches them about once a week. Well it also makes one wonder if Space X is testing more then commercial rockets? They are putting up a ton of satellites for SPACECOM. It's not even remotely secret. They put a bunch up just a few days ago. https://www.space.com/spacex-launch-space-force-second-tranche-0-mission I’m aware of that, but allot of their testing could be (air fingers) commercial but really next generation ICBM’s? How better to hide something then the private sector in plain sight? I love, and have zero clue as to whether it's true or not, the idea that Starlink launches are also carrying a few Brilliant Pebbles with them. Even better if a bit of the Starlink bandwidth is dedicated to linking the interceptors. |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 3:59:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Titan ll Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: At this point what does it prove to show we’re capable of launching a missile? Spacex launches them about once a week. Well it also makes one wonder if Space X is testing more then commercial rockets? They are putting up a ton of satellites for SPACECOM. It's not even remotely secret. They put a bunch up just a few days ago. https://www.space.com/spacex-launch-space-force-second-tranche-0-mission I’m aware of that, but allot of their testing could be (air fingers) commercial but really next generation ICBM’s? How better to hide something then the private sector in plain sight? When was the last liquid fueled ICBM we fielded? On top of that, how useful is a a system that uses supercooled LOX that has a usable time measured in minutes as an ICBM? Titan ll True, and storable liquid propellants like N2O4 and UDMH are nasty enough to handle that they could do double duty as chemical weapons. LOX/LH2 are too much of a PITA that deal with in a silo or mobile military rocket use. Still, once it's up in orbit, who cares? And you could do that ahead of time, were it not for treaties against things like FOBS. |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 4:02:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When was the last liquid fueled ICBM we fielded? On top of that, how useful is a a system that uses supercooled LOX that has a usable time measured in minutes as an ICBM? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: At this point what does it prove to show we’re capable of launching a missile? Spacex launches them about once a week. Well it also makes one wonder if Space X is testing more then commercial rockets? They are putting up a ton of satellites for SPACECOM. It's not even remotely secret. They put a bunch up just a few days ago. https://www.space.com/spacex-launch-space-force-second-tranche-0-mission I’m aware of that, but allot of their testing could be (air fingers) commercial but really next generation ICBM’s? How better to hide something then the private sector in plain sight? When was the last liquid fueled ICBM we fielded? On top of that, how useful is a a system that uses supercooled LOX that has a usable time measured in minutes as an ICBM? I’m not trying to be an ass here but are they all liquid? I honestly don’t know? Could Elon be doing some solid fuel and were just not privy to it? Slap a paint job like all the rest, and to anyone it would be just “another” test. |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 4:08:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not trying to be an ass here but are they all liquid? I honestly don’t know? Could Elon be doing some solid fuel and were just not privy to it? Slap a paint job like all the rest, and to anyone it would be just “another” test. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: At this point what does it prove to show we’re capable of launching a missile? Spacex launches them about once a week. Well it also makes one wonder if Space X is testing more then commercial rockets? They are putting up a ton of satellites for SPACECOM. It's not even remotely secret. They put a bunch up just a few days ago. https://www.space.com/spacex-launch-space-force-second-tranche-0-mission I’m aware of that, but allot of their testing could be (air fingers) commercial but really next generation ICBM’s? How better to hide something then the private sector in plain sight? When was the last liquid fueled ICBM we fielded? On top of that, how useful is a a system that uses supercooled LOX that has a usable time measured in minutes as an ICBM? I’m not trying to be an ass here but are they all liquid? I honestly don’t know? Could Elon be doing some solid fuel and were just not privy to it? Slap a paint job like all the rest, and to anyone it would be just “another” test. You can't really throttle a solid rocket motor, though people certainly have tried, (turning it off, then back on, is a major accomplishment) and much finer propulsion control is essential to having the stage be recoverable. Plus the exhaust would look different. |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 4:18:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's my point with all of Space X's tests, are they really commercial? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: At this point what does it prove to show we're capable of launching a missile? Spacex launches them about once a week. That's my point with all of Space X's tests, are they really commercial? |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 5:16:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, you missed the point. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: At this point what does it prove to show we're capable of launching a missile? Spacex launches them about once a week. That's my point with all of Space X's tests, are they really commercial? No, I got the point, I was asking more so about my point in order to learn more on what I don’t know. |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 5:29:39 PM EDT
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I'd rather see one pop out of a Kansas cornfield and evaporate an island in SE Asia. That's a real test, not some gamed rig that's been gone over hundreds of times to ensure success.
Lil Kim (and a few others) might get the fucking message. I know it'll never happen as no one in power has the testicular fortitude to upset the status quo. |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 5:50:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m aware of that, but allot of their testing could be (air fingers) commercial but really next generation ICBM’s? How better to hide something then the private sector in plain sight? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: At this point what does it prove to show we’re capable of launching a missile? Spacex launches them about once a week. Well it also makes one wonder if Space X is testing more then commercial rockets? They are putting up a ton of satellites for SPACECOM. It's not even remotely secret. They put a bunch up just a few days ago. https://www.space.com/spacex-launch-space-force-second-tranche-0-mission I’m aware of that, but allot of their testing could be (air fingers) commercial but really next generation ICBM’s? How better to hide something then the private sector in plain sight? We signed the space treaty, so no nuke stationing in orbit. |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 5:53:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd rather see one pop out of a Kansas cornfield and evaporate an island in SE Asia. That's a real test, not some gamed rig that's been gone over hundreds of times to ensure success. Lil Kim (and a few others) might get the fucking message. I know it'll never happen as no one in power has the testicular fortitude to upset the status quo. And if it fails during launch? |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 5:54:11 PM EDT
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FCET’s happen all the time.
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Posted: 9/7/2023 6:06:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd rather see one pop out of a Kansas cornfield and evaporate an island in SE Asia. That's a real test, not some gamed rig that's been gone over hundreds of times to ensure success. Lil Kim (and a few others) might get the fucking message. I know it'll never happen as no one in power has the testicular fortitude to upset the status quo. It would violate the CTBT. In my opinion, the best thing we can do to undermine the reliability of the warheads of our enemies is to deny them the opportunity to test them. I have confidence that our warheads will work when called upon due to the insane amounts of testing and modeling we do with the best supercomputers in the world. Other countries don't have that luxury. Lil Kim knows ours will work. |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 6:23:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I got the point, I was asking more so about my point in order to learn more on what I don't know. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: At this point what does it prove to show we're capable of launching a missile? Spacex launches them about once a week. That's my point with all of Space X's tests, are they really commercial? No, I got the point, I was asking more so about my point in order to learn more on what I don't know. No you didn't. You're still focused on launches and rockets. You still don't get it. |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 7:06:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Starship. 200 tons to LEO. Just fill it full and park it in orbit. 90 minutes to damnation. plausible deniability that isn't my starship the insurance claims for that non act of war will be a second apocalyptic event |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 7:44:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No you didn't. You're still focused on launches and rockets. You still don't get it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: At this point what does it prove to show we're capable of launching a missile? Spacex launches them about once a week. That's my point with all of Space X's tests, are they really commercial? No, I got the point, I was asking more so about my point in order to learn more on what I don't know. No you didn't. You're still focused on launches and rockets. You still don't get it. I’m not sure what your point is, but I’m referring to some questions I had and since there seems to be some knowledgeable people I simply made some statements that I wondered myself about. I’m not sure where it’s written you can’t ask other questions in the same thread that is basically to learn. I will admit that I don’t know allot of the technical but I’d like to learn more. I’m not focused on launch or rockets but I very interested in all of this. For me, not knowing why, it would seem like a good cover using a civilian corporation to hide shit, the CIA did it all the time and probably still do. How does one learn without being wrong and have the willingness to learn? |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 9:19:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We signed the space treaty, so no nuke stationing in orbit. Are they going to send their space shuttle up there to capture one and bring it back as evidence? |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 9:58:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And if it fails during launch? The same results will occur either way (test or war response) so you make the same assurances that it won't. |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 10:40:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are they going to send their space shuttle up there to capture one and bring it back as evidence? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We signed the space treaty, so no nuke stationing in orbit. Are they going to send their space shuttle up there to capture one and bring it back as evidence? No, we would just have a lot of egg on our face when the USSF Guardian of the month, Laquesha Jackson, crashes one into Kamcheka. |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 11:14:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As cool as it would be, we grew out of liquid fueled missiles in the 60s for a reason. Reasons (plural), and we didn’t finish retiring the Titan IIs until the mid 80’s. Nitpicks aside, your point stands. |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 11:40:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reasons (plural), and we didn't finish retiring the Titan IIs until the mid 80's. Nitpicks aside, your point stands. Or something lol |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 11:51:08 PM EDT
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The launch of a test ICBM missile from the Pacific Ocean is successfully countered by the launch of a interceptor missile from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California.
 Raw: Pentagon Releases Video of ICBM Test  EKV/KV/KW/KKV/LEAP (Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicles) Hover Test - Compilation Video (SM-3, GBI, etc.) |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 1:30:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The launch of a test ICBM missile from the Pacific Ocean is successfully countered by the launch of a interceptor missile from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5JtVp-YCAo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnofCyaWhI0Naw that's fake news. As is this, from Japan, from 16 years ago  Japanese Missile Defense |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 1:45:32 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Reasons (plural), and we didn’t finish retiring the Titan IIs until the mid 80’s. Nitpicks aside, your point stands. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: As cool as it would be, we grew out of liquid fueled missiles in the 60s for a reason. Reasons (plural), and we didn’t finish retiring the Titan IIs until the mid 80’s. Nitpicks aside, your point stands. We deployed 54 of them vs. 1000 Minutemen. As I understand it, the only reason the Titan II remained in service as long as it did was because the 9MT warheads made up a disproportionate amount of our total ICBM “throw weight “ and withdrawing them would look bad on paper. Somewhat similar to the way we re-designated a bunch of ships in 1975 to “solve” the cruiser gap. |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 9:31:49 AM EDT
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I think we'll see ABMs being capable enough to upset the MAD apple cart in our lifetimes. The advancement in missile defense technology has been incredible.
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Posted: 9/8/2023 10:12:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I had it in my head they lived on under other monikers as non-defense lift platforms. Or something lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Reasons (plural), and we didn't finish retiring the Titan IIs until the mid 80's. Nitpicks aside, your point stands. Or something lol True for the decommissioned MX motors, which were turned into Minotaur launch rockets. |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 10:14:34 AM EDT
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This is now an Ice Cold Beer Machine thread. Beer vending machines in Japan check ID now. Last time I was there, 1990 IIRC, you just had to drop enough coins in and they would cheerfully drop a cold one for you.
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Posted: 9/8/2023 10:15:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The launch of a test ICBM missile from the Pacific Ocean is successfully countered by the launch of a interceptor missile from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5JtVp-YCAo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnofCyaWhI0Shouldn't that be the other way around? MMIII launches from Vandenburg, interceptor launches from the Pacific? Barking Sands comes to mind, though maybe they just track them? |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 10:15:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think we'll see ABMs being capable enough to upset the MAD apple cart in our lifetimes. The advancement in missile defense technology has been incredible. Which as, the argument goes, makes them more likely to be used. But yes I wouldn’t be surprised if ICBMs became obsolete at some point |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 10:16:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which as, the argument goes, makes them more likely to be used. But yes I wouldn’t be surprised if ICBMs became obsolete at some point Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think we'll see ABMs being capable enough to upset the MAD apple cart in our lifetimes. The advancement in missile defense technology has been incredible. Which as, the argument goes, makes them more likely to be used. But yes I wouldn’t be surprised if ICBMs became obsolete at some point Putin argued they were 5 years ago at their version of the state of the Union address. |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 10:17:10 AM EDT
[#37]
What could he know but not be willing to reveal?
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Posted: 9/8/2023 12:14:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think we'll see ABMs being capable enough to upset the MAD apple cart in our lifetimes. The advancement in missile defense technology has been incredible. Mammoth cost delta. Especially since warhead costs are essentially sunk cost. ABM tech ALWAYS created MAD issues, and the answers to ABM were more destabilizing than MAD itself. |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 12:15:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which as, the argument goes, makes them more likely to be used. But yes I wouldn’t be surprised if ICBMs became obsolete at some point A road or even rail mobile ICBM system could, under lots of circumstances, achieve the ends of a SSBN at a fraction of the cost. |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 1:10:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shouldn't that be the other way around? MMIII launches from Vandenburg, interceptor launches from the Pacific? Barking Sands comes to mind, though maybe they just track them? CA only launches interceptors in wartime. So for a real test you need to launch an ICMB from downrange to simulate an incoming missile attack. 
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Posted: 9/8/2023 1:58:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: True for the decommissioned MX motors, which were turned into Minotaur launch rockets. Quote HistoryQuoted: True for the decommissioned MX motors, which were turned into Minotaur launch rockets. Titan 23G Main article: Titan 23G Starting in the late 1980s, some of the deactivated Titan IIs were converted into space launch vehicles to be used for launching U.S. Government payloads. Titan 23G rockets consisted of two stages burning liquid propellant. The first stage was powered by one Aerojet LR87 engine with two combustion chambers and nozzles, and the second stage was propelled by an LR91. On some flights, the spacecraft included a kick motor, usually the Star-37XFP-ISS; however, the Star-37S was also used.[23] Thirteen were launched from Space Launch Complex 4W (SLC-4W) at Vandenberg Air Force Base starting in 1988.[23] The final such vehicle launched a Defense Meteorological Satellite Program (DMSP) weather satellite on 18 October 2003.[24] |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 2:07:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A road or even rail mobile ICBM system could, under lots of circumstances, achieve the ends of a SSBN at a fraction of the cost. ignorant counterpoint: idiot misguided protestors did a bangup job of interfering with rail-based nuc shipments in the 80s. Imagine what they could do with a shower of apple tags from the first overpass nearest the mobile pen? ...Unless you are suggesting that tech exists to box in subs now; which I have suspected for a long time. No one is spending that kind of coin investing in overhead sensory just to figure out how well grass is growing in the fucking sahara; I think they have been trying to figure out where they ain't to figure out where they are, and I bet it will be as simple as gases that can't be contained showing as plumes of... something in the middle of water where it normally wouldn't be. ... or fish. Birds may be liars, but fish are known blabbermouths. wait. am i posting in the sub or the missile or nuc threads? |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 2:14:05 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: way out of my lane, but do you honestly think so? Depends on circumstances. For a European country? Probably not. They mostly will continue to choose the SSBN basket to put the majority of eggs. For nations with large empty stretches of terrain? Yeah, we're getting warming. |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 3:04:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is now an Ice Cold Beer Machine thread. Beer vending machines in Japan check ID now. Last time I was there, 1990 IIRC, you just had to drop enough coins in and they would cheerfully drop a cold one for you. https://d1nwfvw9iqnfnz.cloudfront.net/gowithguide/posts/330/4466.jpg I'll have to see if I can find my picture of the one on Wake Island at lodging. |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 6:10:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think we'll see ABMs being capable enough to upset the MAD apple cart in our lifetimes. The advancement in missile defense technology has been incredible. Not at all. Not even close. Not even a little bit. Most of the reasons we ended Nike and Safegaurd, still exist. Add to those newer problems like precision guidance, stealth, cyber, EW, HGV and HCM. If anything, the offense is further ahead than ever. |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 6:15:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mammoth cost delta. Especially since warhead costs are essentially sunk cost. ABM tech ALWAYS created MAD issues, and the answers to ABM were more destabilizing than MAD itself. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think we'll see ABMs being capable enough to upset the MAD apple cart in our lifetimes. The advancement in missile defense technology has been incredible. Mammoth cost delta. Especially since warhead costs are essentially sunk cost. ABM tech ALWAYS created MAD issues, and the answers to ABM were more destabilizing than MAD itself. Correct. These were the main reasons for ending Nike Zeus and Safeguard ABM. That plus the fact that even if costs were similar, the offense would always smoke the defense 15 different ways. |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 6:51:08 PM EDT
[#47]
Pretty regular occurrence
 Missile Launch: California's Vandenberg Air Force Base fires off a Minuteman III |
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Posted: 9/9/2023 10:15:10 AM EDT
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See if you can catch the REALLY interesting comment in this video:
 ICBM | Unarmed Minuteman III GT-247 Launches from Vandenberg |
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Posted: 9/9/2023 11:28:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/9/2023 3:39:55 PM EDT
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