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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:21:17 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: [tweet]https://twitter.com/drigli_/status/1665936169547317249/mediaviewer[/tweet] Don't bother. The video was posted on the first page before he even made that post. He is not interested in facts. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:24:00 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's quite a hypothetical but I'll play. "Ukraine would not stop the flow of water to Crimeans because Ukraine are the good guys here and clearly claim the moral high ground in this war. They would never let people starve or die from lack of water. The Ukrainians would never needlessly hurt others. Right? "  Can't believe I typed that, LOL. Right? The Ukes are the good guys? Hypothetical? You don't need to speculate. Ukraine previously cut the peninsula's reservoir access off. There's every chance they would have done so again to ratchet up the pressure. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:24:26 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't bother. The video was posted on the first page before he even made that post. He is not interested in facts. That video is not from yesterday. It's from 2022. That's the video that shows proof Ukraine attacked it's own dam. https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-viral-video-of-the-kakhovka-dam-explosion-is-old/a-65839380 https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nova-kakhovka-dam-video/ https://fullfact.org/online/nova-kakhovka-dam-video-explosion/ You've been propagandized again |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:25:09 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's quite a hypothetical but I'll play. "Ukraine would not stop the flow of water to Crimeans because Ukraine are the good guys here and clearly claim the moral high ground in this war. They would never let people starve or die from lack of water. The Ukrainians would never needlessly hurt others. Right? " Can't believe I typed that, LOL. Right? The Ukes are the good guys? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How much benefit were they going to get from the reservoir if Ukraine retook the canal that feeds Crimea from the reservoir? That's quite a hypothetical but I'll play. "Ukraine would not stop the flow of water to Crimeans because Ukraine are the good guys here and clearly claim the moral high ground in this war. They would never let people starve or die from lack of water. The Ukrainians would never needlessly hurt others. Right? " Can't believe I typed that, LOL. Right? The Ukes are the good guys? They already blocked off the water supply once. It was damn near a guarantee they’d do it again. But hey, making up arguments to counter instead of the ones actually presented is an interesting strategy to make sure you never have to admit you are clueless. It’s hilarious that you lecture others on not knowing history, and then turn around and smugly claim that Ukraine cutting off water to Crimea is some absurd hypothetical.  You don’t know shit about war, you don’t know shit about history. Is it safe to assume your avatar is essentially cosplay? |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:25:12 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They had complete control of the kerch straight bridge too. Still went poof. Gotta wait for actual evidence. If the Russians did it I'd expect our side will publish some evidence. Lack of evidence will be problematic. There is an order of magnitude difference in the amount of explosives needed to breach a dam and to pop the road bed off a bridge. That’s why it’s hard to see how Ukraine did this with the resources available to them. Blowing up dams is incredibly difficult unless you attack the the back face, which would be very hard since it was at capacity or mined the interior, and which they did not have access to. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:26:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If so, I've certainly come to the right thread. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That’s some Olympic level gymnastics there. If so, I've certainly come to the right thread.  ...
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:26:52 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That video is not from yesterday. It's from 2022. That's the video that shows proof Ukraine attacked it's own dam. https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-viral-video-of-the-kakhovka-dam-explosion-is-old/a-65839380 https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nova-kakhovka-dam-video/ https://fullfact.org/online/nova-kakhovka-dam-video-explosion/ You've been propagandized again Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Don't bother. The video was posted on the first page before he even made that post. He is not interested in facts. That video is not from yesterday. It's from 2022. That's the video that shows proof Ukraine attacked it's own dam. https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-viral-video-of-the-kakhovka-dam-explosion-is-old/a-65839380 https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nova-kakhovka-dam-video/ https://fullfact.org/online/nova-kakhovka-dam-video-explosion/ You've been propagandized again
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:27:12 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's quite a hypothetical but I'll play. "Ukraine would not stop the flow of water to Crimeans because Ukraine are the good guys here and clearly claim the moral high ground in this war. They would never let people starve or die from lack of water. The Ukrainians would never needlessly hurt others. Right? " Can't believe I typed that, LOL. Right? The Ukes are the good guys? They rightly did it already. It was one of Russias pretexts for the full invasion. If given the opportunity, they would have closed the canal again. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:27:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, a 1.5 km long dam is going to laugh off even a missile with a couple hundred pounds of explosives. Yeah but not Zelensky in a Lancaster with a bouncing bomb that Ukraine has had in storage for 87 years!
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:29:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is an order of magnitude difference in the amount of explosives needed to breach a dam and to pop the road bed off a bridge. That’s why it’s hard to see how Ukraine did this with the resources available to them. Blowing up dams is incredibly difficult unless you attack the the back face, which would be very hard since it was at capacity or mined the interior, and which they did not have access to. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They had complete control of the kerch straight bridge too. Still went poof. Gotta wait for actual evidence. If the Russians did it I'd expect our side will publish some evidence. Lack of evidence will be problematic. There is an order of magnitude difference in the amount of explosives needed to breach a dam and to pop the road bed off a bridge. That’s why it’s hard to see how Ukraine did this with the resources available to them. Blowing up dams is incredibly difficult unless you attack the the back face, which would be very hard since it was at capacity or mined the interior, and which they did not have access to. It blew up at night at well. Missiles would have been highly visible. Artillery would also have been very obvious and would have hit all over the place. None of that happened. Whoever blew it up did so by planting explosives. (Edit: typos) |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:30:46 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They rightly did it already. It was one of Russias pretexts for the full invasion. If given the opportunity, they would have closed the canal again. Stop remembering past things. You're only supposed to know current thing Cucker said. Only current thing matters. Past thing is a globalist plot. Because Zelensky is gay or something. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:30:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Edit. Arf embed function DOA again Did you watch those videos? Neither confirm nor claim that Russia blew up the dam. You have been propagandized again |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:31:39 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They rightly did it already. It was one of Russias pretexts for the full invasion. If given the opportunity, they would have closed the canal again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's quite a hypothetical but I'll play. "Ukraine would not stop the flow of water to Crimeans because Ukraine are the good guys here and clearly claim the moral high ground in this war. They would never let people starve or die from lack of water. The Ukrainians would never needlessly hurt others. Right? " Can't believe I typed that, LOL. Right? The Ukes are the good guys? They rightly did it already. It was one of Russias pretexts for the full invasion. If given the opportunity, they would have closed the canal again. Once Ukraine liberates Crimea and evicts the squatters they will reopen the canal. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:31:48 PM EDT
[#14]
So… how exactly is it being alleged that Ukraine blew up a dam that was under complete Russian control?
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:33:24 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you aware of what is happening there, right now? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Blowing the dam hurts Russia far more than it helps. It makes no sense they would blow it. Same with the pipeline. Zero logic there. Russia controls the power plant. Crimea depends on the water from the reservoir. It's in their best interests to keep the dam intact. Are you aware of what is happening there, right now? Sir, thanks for the yet-another response-with-a-question. This tactic does wonders for thread discussions... |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:33:54 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no evidence of your claim. You're clueless |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:33:57 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you watch those videos? Neither confirm nor claim that Russia blew up the dam. You have been propagandized again Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
Edit. Arf embed function DOA again Did you watch those videos? Neither confirm nor claim that Russia blew up the dam. You have been propagandized again The video claims that Russia completely mined the dam, with the intention of blowing it up IF the Ukrainians begin an offensive that involves crossing the River. Guess what? |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:34:50 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you watch those videos? Neither confirm nor claim that Russia blew up the dam. You have been propagandized again I did watch them both. More than once in fact. They certainly suggest a far more plausible line of inquiry than the one you seem determined to push. They also point to means, motive, and opportunity. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:35:46 PM EDT
[#19]
I don't know who blew up what.
But I'm glad we can talk about it, and debate it. That's becoming a rare thing anymore. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:36:22 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Blowing the dam hurts Russia far more than it helps. It makes no sense they would blow it. Same with the pipeline. Saying it over and over doesn’t make it true. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:37:26 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They also point to means, motive, and opportunity…. …and stated not just intention, but even parameters and triggers for action. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:37:52 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The video claims that Russia completely mined the dam, with the intention of blowing it up IF the Ukrainians begin an offensive that involves crossing the River. Guess what? Did you watch the videos and read the subs? Neither of those videos claim what you say. Why continue to make things up? |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:38:54 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What difference does it make where they hit it? The fact is they did. The denial here is insane. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lol. It's like arguing with a liberal. Useless. Anyway the Ukrainians attacked their own damn last year and acknowledged they damaged their own dam. They hit the bridge over the lock on the side. You post a lot of clueless shit. What difference does it make where they hit it? The fact is they did. The denial here is insane. I will give you my entire years salary if you can show me proof of your bullshit statement. Hard proof, not Tovarich Carlson or RT. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:39:39 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I did watch them both. More than once in fact. They certainly suggest a far more plausible line of inquiry than the one you seem determined to push. They also point to means, motive, and opportunity. Quote HistoryQuoted: I did watch them both. More than once in fact. They certainly suggest a far more plausible line of inquiry than the one you seem determined to push. They also point to means, motive, and opportunity. That seems like a stretch. The plausible and logic line of inquiry is the party that has more to lose usually isn't the one that makes things go boom boom. Quoted: I don't know who blew up what. But I'm glad we can talk about it, and debate it. That's becoming a rare thing anymore. Amen. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:40:14 PM EDT
[#25]
If the point was to flood the area below the dam, why not just open the gates instead of destroying the dam? I guess destroying it prevents it from being captured and shut back down.
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:40:17 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does blowing up the dam make the Ukrainian Counter Offensive easier or harder? you can laugh but there's motives for both sides having done this. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:40:28 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you watch the videos and read the subs? Neither of those videos claim what you say. Why continue to make things up? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The video claims that Russia completely mined the dam, with the intention of blowing it up IF the Ukrainians begin an offensive that involves crossing the River. Guess what? Did you watch the videos and read the subs? Neither of those videos claim what you say. Why continue to make things up?  ”We mined everything on Kakhovka HPP. So, they'll f**king blow it up and will wash away Ukrainian Armed Forces on the other side" |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:40:50 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: …and stated not just intention, but even parameters and triggers for action. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They also point to means, motive, and opportunity…. …and stated not just intention, but even parameters and triggers for action. It does tend to suggest that it was russia that blew the dam... Occams razor and all that. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:42:36 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It did happen. Lol https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-prepares-fresh-russian-assault-west-braces-worsening-energy-crisis-2022-07-12/ The question you should be asking is why was Ukraine lobbing rockets at it's own dam in 2022? The dismissal of facts and history here is astounding. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yup. OPIR would see any such strike. It didn't happen. It did happen. Lol https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-prepares-fresh-russian-assault-west-braces-worsening-energy-crisis-2022-07-12/ The question you should be asking is why was Ukraine lobbing rockets at it's own dam in 2022? The dismissal of facts and history here is astounding. LOL talks about facts with zero access to OPIR. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:43:43 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. A plan they actually! acted on, shelling and damaging their own dam. Ukrainistas are not serious people. A shell is not capable of splitting the dam open. A himars could barely penetrate the Antonovsky bridge and take it out of commission much less something much much thicker. But do you know what could ? Shaped charges. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:43:44 PM EDT
[#31]
13 million views and climbing quickly. Boom! The new Shortwave to bypass the state controlled media.
Go Tucker. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:49:39 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you watch those videos? Neither confirm nor claim that Russia blew up the dam. You have been propagandized again That is the most ironic, and moronic, post of the year. LOL |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:49:40 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A shell is not capable of splitting the dam open. A himars could barely penetrate the Antonovsky bridge and take it out of commission much less something much much thicker. But do you know what could ? Shaped charges. Correct, which could mean one of two things: - Ukraine used the already placed (and reported on) Russian mines and blew up their own damn covertly or - Russia blew up the dam Considering Russia had more to lose in the dam going boom boom versus Ukraine, logically it seems #1 makes sense. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:50:48 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or, they never intended an offensive, and needed an out to save face. How long have they been talking about this magical offensive? What happened at Kherson and kharkiv? By the way the offensive has already begun. You should pay more attention. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:52:13 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Offensive that US docs said would fail before it even began? Or the Offensive the Russians claimed has already failed? Russia Claimed the Kherson offensive failed when it started and everyone died. Russia also tried to make up stuff about the Kharkiv offensive but it simply rolled too fast and they couldn’t lie fast enough. @r_s |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:56:36 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia controls the power plant. Crimea depends on the water from the reservoir. It's in their best interests to keep the dam intact. Why are people leaving Crimea if that’s the case? |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:57:34 PM EDT
[#37]
15 + million views. Snowballing.
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:58:41 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct, which could mean one of two things: - Ukraine used the already placed (and reported on) Russian mines and blew up their own damn covertly or - Russia blew up the dam Considering Russia had more to lose in the dam going boom boom versus Ukraine, logically it seems #1 makes sense. Russia has more to lose? What do they have to lose? Agriculture? Lots of that elsewhere in russia. What else do they lose from this? Not to mention preventing an entire axis of Ukrainian advance for this year seems to shift the ledger significantly towards benefiting Russia the most. Russia has said they've mined it and will blow it if Ukraine gets close, Ukraine warned the west that russia had mined it and would blow it if Ukraine got close. The dam blows when Ukraine gets close... Logic suggests that russia did exactly what they said they'd do, and then went on a poo-flinging spree trying to say they didn't. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 9:02:19 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct, which could mean one of two things: - Ukraine used the already placed (and reported on) Russian mines and blew up their own damn covertly or - Russia blew up the dam Considering Russia had more to lose in the dam going boom boom versus Ukraine, logically it seems #1 makes sense. The Ukrainians took control of the dam From the Russians and blew it up? Well, okay |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 9:05:23 PM EDT
[#40]
I thought for sure he'd blame Russia this time.
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Posted: 6/6/2023 9:08:20 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Ukrainians took control of the dam From the Russians and blew it up? Well, okay Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Correct, which could mean one of two things: - Ukraine used the already placed (and reported on) Russian mines and blew up their own damn covertly or - Russia blew up the dam Considering Russia had more to lose in the dam going boom boom versus Ukraine, logically it seems #1 makes sense. The Ukrainians took control of the dam From the Russians and blew it up? Well, okay No, no… they did it covertly. lol |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 9:09:46 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 15 + million views. Snowballing. No shortage of stupid people in the world, and someone’s gotta be there to cash in. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 9:10:20 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's quite a hypothetical but I'll play. "Ukraine would not stop the flow of water to Crimeans because Ukraine are the good guys here and clearly claim the moral high ground in this war. They would never let people starve or die from lack of water. The Ukrainians would never needlessly hurt others. Right? " Can't believe I typed that, LOL. Right? The Ukes are the good guys? Yes, they're the good guys. And it is a legitimate strategy to cut off supplies to Crimea in order to force Russian forces to abandon it. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 9:11:02 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Ukrainians took control of the dam From the Russians and blew it up? Well, okay You are making things up again. That's not what I said. If the Russians were so proud of this, why blow it at 2:30 at night when it's pitch black outside? Where is the video evidence and propaganda of the Russian regime celebrating this? Please, make it make sense. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 9:11:28 PM EDT
[#45]
Almost 17 million views. LOL!
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Posted: 6/6/2023 9:12:01 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No shortage of stupid people in the world, and someone's gotta be there to cash in. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 15 + million views. Snowballing. No shortage of stupid people in the world, and someone's gotta be there to cash in. P.T. Barnum knew of which he spoke. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 9:12:03 PM EDT
[#47]
Ignore me, just here for the Ukraine bro meltdown!
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Posted: 6/6/2023 9:13:57 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I heard some folks saying the Dam could have just failed on its own. Through lack of maintenance and getting occasionally hit by shells. But then again, Russia didn't say "crap the dam collapsed on its own". They immediately said it was blown up. So who knows. I was thinking the same thing. Shit happens. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 9:16:15 PM EDT
[#49]
I really don't care who blew it up.
And I don't wish to fix it either. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 9:20:35 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ignore me Holy shit, you actually said something that makes sense 
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