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Posted: 9/18/2021 7:27:09 PM EDT
[#1]
wait 5-10 years to buy a new car. I am so FUCKING GLAD we bought at the beginning of covid when dealers were giving cars away. got a 2020 under msrp with zero interest for 6 years.
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Posted: 9/18/2021 7:28:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ...the forces governing this are contrived...and not natural...imo Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Supply/demand is not a new norm. It runs everything. Always has, always will ...the forces governing this are contrived...and not natural...imo My tinfoil grows tighter every day brother. Your “not natural” hit home from a businesss side. It’s like we’re getting supply squeezed on purpose. |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 7:29:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/18/2021 7:35:00 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Leasing is probably the best thing you can do right now. Leasing is buying, only the buyer isn't you but a financial institution. It's cheap to lease when it's cheap to buy and it's expensive to lease when it's expensive to buy. |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 7:38:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can order a F150. I ordered a F350 in April. |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 7:40:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the car manufacturers are all doing like Ford with their trucks and are making them and parking them awaiting “chips” the market will be flooded with new cars in the not to distant future. My Ford truck was built and then delivered about 3 weeks later. |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 7:41:05 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My tinfoil grows tighter every day brother. Your “not natural” hit home from a businesss side. It’s like we’re getting supply squeezed on purpose. Hang onto that tinfoil might need it if Al prices keep going up eh? |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 7:42:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Leasing is buying, only the buyer isn't you but a financial institution. It's cheap to lease when it's cheap to buy and it's expensive to lease when it's expensive to buy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Leasing is probably the best thing you can do right now. Leasing is buying, only the buyer isn't you but a financial institution. It's cheap to lease when it's cheap to buy and it's expensive to lease when it's expensive to buy. Depends on money factor which should be low right now. The manufacturers haven’t changed residual which is based on msrp. You have your statement reversed. Right now, leasing is the best way to get a new vehicle. Cheap money, inflation going up, car will be with much more than residual. You absolutely don’t want to be financing or paying cash for a new car in this environment. That would be dumb. |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 7:44:45 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Poor people buy new cars I bought several used cars. Better than 50% of them had some kind of major problem that negated any savings you might have gotten by buying used. |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 7:55:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The truck was listed for $60k, was a 2014 Raptor SVT and had only 21,000 miles on it. The truck was someone's "look at me, I got a Ford Raptor" toy. It is in mint condition and it looks like it was never taken off road or even driven hard, so it's basically brand new. I plan on keeping this for a long time, so the price tag doesn't bother me too much all things considered. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/284782/652980413_jpg-2096052.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/284782/20210914_181300_jpg-2096053.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/284782/652980427_jpg-2096054.JPG $60,000 for a 2014 F-150 Raptor? |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 8:03:03 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, you admit you are taking advantage of your loyal customers because you can. Thank you for your confession In a Bull market, everyone is a capitalist In a Bear market, everyone is a socialist  |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 8:27:06 PM EDT
[#12]
Lawd, I have been recently thinking about a Tacoma or maybe a 4 Runner but after reading through this thread I will be putting that idea on hold for some time and keep my current car which runs just fine.
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Posted: 9/18/2021 8:29:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/18/2021 8:30:19 PM EDT
[#14]
Crazy how no consortium of American companies is building a chip fab over here.
I get it. Its not trivial, and it wouldn't be cheap, but sitting on their hands and hoping for the best by 2023 seems kinda fucktarded. |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 8:33:12 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, you admit you are taking advantage of your loyal customers because you can. Thank you for your confession Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't sell cars, but I was selling new boats. Why in the fuck would a dealership drop the price if they don't have to? Don't want to pay the price? Fine by me. I'll sell it in 20 min to the next person that walks in the door. So, you admit you are taking advantage of your loyal customers because you can. Thank you for your confession When your local gun store sells a low-supply desirable gun at sticker price, do you whine like a bitch then too? |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 8:34:18 PM EDT
[#16]
That’s cute I went and looked at 2 Ram 1/2 tons the other day, dealer markup was $60k over msrp.
Black Widow editions are $150k here and TRXs are $200k |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 8:35:11 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Poor people buy new cars Your shtick grows tiresome and boring 
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Posted: 9/18/2021 8:36:31 PM EDT
[#18]
I wasn't going to post this (since GD will pull my man card) but I went to Jiffy Lube to get an oil change the other day.
Was bullshitting with the guy there and he told me they ran out of oil  They had to head down to the local Autozone and buy them out since their delivery guy was a no/show. If they don't get a delivery this week they'll close down. Shit is crazy out there. Inflation and Supply Chain outages are very real |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 8:37:52 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I bought several used cars. Better than 50% of them had some kind of major problem that negated any savings you might have gotten by buying used. I've only bought used cars, never new. I stick to Hondas, Acuras, and Toyotas and hence I've been very lucky in terms of R&M 
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Posted: 9/18/2021 8:38:03 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: wait 5-10 years to buy a new car. I am so FUCKING GLAD we bought at the beginning of covid when dealers were giving cars away. got a 2020 under msrp with zero interest for 6 years. March- May 2020 my dealer went down to 1 salesman and they about gave cars away for those 3 months. All deals were entertained. I think we sold 25-30 cars a month then. |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 8:39:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Crazy how no consortium of American companies is building a chip fab over here. I get it. Its not trivial, and it wouldn't be cheap, but sitting on their hands and hoping for the best by 2023 seems kinda fucktarded. Right !! It boggles my mind, Fucktarded is an understatement ! |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 8:42:00 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wasn't going to post this (since GD will pull my man card) but I went to Jiffy Lube to get an oil change the other day. Was bullshitting with the guy there and he told me they ran out of oil They had to head down to the local Autozone and buy them out since their delivery guy was a no/show. If they don't get a delivery this week they'll close down. Shit is crazy out there. Inflation and Supply Chain outages are very real We have run out of brake fluid a couple times, 5w30, Type 2.0 trans fluid and a ton of other parts. We use a lot of aftermarket air filter now just to get cars out of the shop. It's thoroughly fucked. I think we have 800 some parts on back order. |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 8:44:40 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Crazy how no consortium of American companies is building a chip fab over here. I get it. Its not trivial, and it wouldn't be cheap, but sitting on their hands and hoping for the best by 2023 seems kinda fucktarded. I tend to agree. It’s not like demand will slow down. I’m not in that industry but damn it smells like opportunity. |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 8:48:03 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: New jeep wranglers are able to order for 5-8% under invoice at some dealers. See OP, just go for a vehicle no one else wants and you will get a sweet deal. |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 8:49:08 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: See OP, just go for a vehicle no one else wants and you will get a sweet deal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: New jeep wranglers are able to order for 5-8% under invoice at some dealers. See OP, just go for a vehicle no one else wants and you will get a sweet deal. Lol! Supply/demand. |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 8:56:14 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, you admit you are taking advantage of your loyal customers because you can. Thank you for your confession Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don’t sell cars, but I was selling new boats. Why in the fuck would a dealership drop the price if they don’t have to? Don’t want to pay the price? Fine by me. I’ll sell it in 20 min to the next person that walks in the door. So, you admit you are taking advantage of your loyal customers because you can. Thank you for your confession He admits to capitalism |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 8:59:19 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep orders are shut off and it’s all 2-3k over. Precisely. You see, what’s going on right now is orders aren’t being taken, and all the cars on the lot are two to three thousands dollars over factory MSRP. |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 9:01:31 PM EDT
[#28]
The “chip shortage” is just BS.
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Posted: 9/18/2021 9:01:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/18/2021 9:05:28 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: $60,000 for a 2014 F-150 Raptor? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The truck was listed for $60k, was a 2014 Raptor SVT and had only 21,000 miles on it. The truck was someone's "look at me, I got a Ford Raptor" toy. It is in mint condition and it looks like it was never taken off road or even driven hard, so it's basically brand new. I plan on keeping this for a long time, so the price tag doesn't bother me too much all things considered. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/284782/652980413_jpg-2096052.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/284782/20210914_181300_jpg-2096053.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/284782/652980427_jpg-2096054.JPG $60,000 for a 2014 F-150 Raptor? Fucking crazy huh? Even before COVID, the Raptors were a high demand low production vehicle. Considering this market, I'm glad to get it too. My 2011 Escalade was getting up in miles. I paid $20k for it three years ago with 56k miles and got $18,200 trade in value for it. If they would have asked $60k for it before COVID, I would have passed on it. It has 21,000 miles on it and is exactly as it was when it came from the dealer new. It had no after-market addons which leads me to believe that some guy having a mid-life crises decided to go out and buy this truck. It looks brand new and was most likely garaged unless it was being driven on the weekends. There is absolutely no wear or tear on the interior. This truck was extremely well cared for. I'm not super thrilled about the price, but it is what it is. As I stated in my original post, I plan on keeping this for a LONG time so the price is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 9:07:25 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. It is semis, and foam. That’s it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Honda and Acura are shut down again. It's amazing that members here just now are realizing there is a car shortage. If you just check in to GD once a day you would have known this 6 months ago. A lot of others are also shutdown or will be, citing chip shortage. People are in denial about how bad it really is, and it isn't just semiconductors. Yes. It is semis, and foam. That’s it. Nearly every component is on the edge of running out. If it wasn’t chips it would be aluminum, steel, plastic, tires, etc. The supply chain is broken. Ports are clogged up without the cradles for shipping containers via rail because they are all out on the road getting pulled by trucks because they couldn’t get it out by rail fast enough. Without the rail running they can’t get caught up, but they need the trucks running because shipping is so far behind they can’t wait for shipping by rail. So a bunch of containers are tied up on ships and at the port so they can’t ship more from Asia. So they need more cradles and more containers but only until supply gets caught back up. No one wants to build them because margins are too thin and if they get built they won’t need them all a couple years from now. Or maybe they can only build enough to replace worn out ones and no one wants to build capacity to build more or maybe they can’t get the materials to build more because supply is constrained. Wait until sticker prices shoot up from all the material cost increases suppliers are seeing... |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 9:08:08 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The “chip shortage” is just BS. I totally is! I fuck with my customers and make them walk for months because we really have SRS control units and PCMs hidden in the back of parts. We do it because Fuck em! That's why! |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 9:10:13 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The “chip shortage” is just BS. You don’t business do you? In business you sell as much as you can produce. Each unit you sell makes money. We call this profit. So we have multiple industries impact by a critical supply/product shortage and you think business doesn’t want to produce more units and make money when customers are screaming “please take my money!” Matrix - You think that’s air you’re breathing? |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 9:10:57 PM EDT
[#34]
i love how inflated the used market is, but infinitis are still priced cheap
just goes to show that trash will always be trash oh and the new ones are still discounted lol |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 9:14:22 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are either of you in the car industry or is this your opinion? Serious question. https://www.portjeffchryslerjeepdodge.com/new-inventory/index.htm 320 new vehicles on the lot. https://www.smithhavenchryslerjeepdodge.net/new-inventory/index.htm 253 new vehicles on the lot. https://www.brownsjeepchryslerdodge.com/new-vehicles/ 183 new vehicles on the lot. https://www.securitydodgechrysler.net/new-vehicles/ 427 vehicles on the lot. All listed as MSRP minus incentives. I drive past the first one several times per week, all those Challengers are sitting in front not moving thanks to the crappy incentives (0%APR is a better deal if you qualify). Plenty of other dealers around the country willing to sell at or below MSRP, you just have to look. Check https://www.youtube.com/user/ocmotivator/videos channel - he has gone to St. Louis twice for cars since all the CA dealers have the stupid markups. If you want a deal you just have to find it - there are plenty of dealers just waiting to move their inventory. https://www.stevewhitemotors.net/new-inventory/index.htm And 1 more; 142 new vehicles on the lot. He offers free shipping anywhere in the lower 48, or they will fly you in so you can drive home with a transporter tag (but you're going to pay close to MSRP so the dealer can cover their cost). |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 9:14:46 PM EDT
[#36]
The local Chevy dealer by the interstate has spaced out their entire 50 car inventory in an attempt to fill a lot that normally holds over 500. Instead of making it look full, it just drew more attention to how empty the dealership was.
If you're genuinely in need of a car right now it hurts. |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 9:16:53 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The local Chevy dealer by the interstate has spaced out their entire 50 car inventory in an attempt to fill a lot that normally holds over 500. Instead of making it look full, it just drew more attention to how empty the dealership was. If you're genuinely in need of a car right now it hurts. Some dealers are hurt worse than others. Some manufacturers are more screwed up than others. |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 9:28:35 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Poor people buy new cars Until you get a crazy market like we have now and it can make sense to buy new. |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 9:34:02 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Until some airhead hits you while you're driving along minding your own business. Fuck my life... Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You need to forget about buying a car for two years. Your current POS will last you. Until some airhead hits you while you're driving along minding your own business. Fuck my life... Kharn I wonder, are the insurance companies paying market prices for totaled vehicles these days? I know that technically they should but every company tries to watch their bottom line. |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 9:39:58 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: See OP, just go for a vehicle no one else wants and you will get a sweet deal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: New jeep wranglers are able to order for 5-8% under invoice at some dealers. See OP, just go for a vehicle no one else wants and you will get a sweet deal. 
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Posted: 9/18/2021 9:41:32 PM EDT
[#41]
Zero new vehicles on the Honda lot today. Ford dealer had about 10 new trucks.
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Posted: 9/18/2021 9:52:21 PM EDT
[#42]
I just ordered a 2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon for 6% under invoice. You need to join Tread Lightly for $100 and wait 30 days to use your discount.
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Posted: 9/18/2021 9:54:33 PM EDT
[#43]
I just put in an "order" for a 4Runner Nightshade. It is more I reserve one that was already on allotment, but they can look that up and see what's coming in. I got it under MSRP as well.
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Posted: 9/18/2021 10:07:24 PM EDT
[#44]
Here's there deal:
There are chips. Just not an endless amount. They are being rationed to fill previously promised orders, build high demand/profit vehicles, and build spare modules for those on the road. Some lower selling models have had their production completely shut down to supply higher demand models. And then those models are shut down for a few months to make another model. Good chance the one you want to order is shut down for production. I am a dealer. We can not get cars. We have actual bought cars from other dealers at MSRP to resell to our customers a few grand over sticker, and they gladly pay. We have one model that won't have a 2022 model year and will jump to 2023 when it resumes production. We've been waiting for some of our orders for 6 months. It's shit show. Supposedly there are two chip manufacturing plants being built in the US to help with supply, but those won't be completed till 2023. I hear intel is routing a lot of manufacturing to the auto industry now too. Edit: Also should add that people didn't by as many cars during covid so a lot of dealers canceled their orders out of concern, and now that they need to re-up their inventory, the chip plants scaled back so there's a supply issue on top of normal covid crap. |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 10:07:39 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Depends on money factor which should be low right now. The manufacturers haven’t changed residual which is based on msrp. You have your statement reversed. Right now, leasing is the best way to get a new vehicle. I've leased a few cars and never looked into residuals and money factors, I always emailed a bunch of dealers and asked for a quote and chose the lowest one. My wife is finishing a 2018 Highlander LE lease @ $295/mo, sales tax included. A lease broker is offering a 2021 Highlander LE @$430/mo before sales tax plus $500 to him. A biggest in my AO Toyota dealer called me and offered $450/mo before sales tax but didn't have a single Highlander LE on his lot Yeah, the best way to get a car. |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 10:18:40 PM EDT
[#46]
Why would anyone buy a new car?
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Posted: 9/18/2021 10:23:15 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've leased a few cars and never looked into residuals and money factors, I always emailed a bunch of dealers and asked for a quote and chose the lowest one. My wife is finishing a 2018 Highlander LE lease @ $295/mo, sales tax included. A lease broker is offering a 2021 Highlander LE @$430/mo before sales tax plus $500 to him. A biggest in my AO Toyota dealer called me and offered $450/mo before sales tax but didn't have a single Highlander LE on his lot Yeah, the best way to get a car. You should get some quotes for the 2018…you can likely make money by selling it to a dealer and buying at the “pay off price” that’s in the paperwork from where the lease was initially signed |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 10:24:35 PM EDT
[#48]
I literally just placed an order on a new 2022 Palisade for my wife today. Took 15 minutes and was purchased at MSRP......I'm ok paying MSRP since they gave a great deal on trade in on our 2018 JGC, plus the owner is a good friend of our in-laws and the saleswoman is a close friend of my wife. Hopefully will get in about 2 months.
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Posted: 9/18/2021 10:28:19 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Poor people buy new cars Can’t tell if serious. Maybe just stupid. |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 10:34:09 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You should get some quotes for the 2018…you can likely make money by selling it to a dealer and buying at the “pay off price” that’s in the paperwork from where the lease was initially signed I'm looking into that. Another option is buying and keeping the car, I can finance it at 2.4% for three years. |
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