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Posted: 12/7/2022 12:23:40 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Activist reduces the amount. Non profit reduces the amount. Ugandan GDP per capita reduces the amount. Doesn't have a real job that contributes to civilization reduces the amount. $1.49 seems reasonable. $0.49 to legal fees. $1.00 to client. |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 12:27:05 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. it's not like this is some giant death trap that the entire world is aware of, and the Park Service was maliciously negligent. This is nothing more than a payday opportunity for yet another immigrant, and another way to fleece the American taxpayer. Lol what does him being an immigrant have to do with anything? Americans never seek a payday? Litigation is in our blood |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 12:27:33 PM EDT
[#3]
Decapitation cases rake in the cash.
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Posted: 12/7/2022 12:30:33 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a genuinely terrible accident, but whether there's any culpability for negligence is a more complex question. I'm no champion of the NPS, anyone who has been here long knows that, but in this case......ehhhhh, I need a lot of details before I say they owe him money for this. From what I've read, they have admitted it was their fault. |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 12:33:00 PM EDT
[#5]
She was a prince
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Posted: 12/7/2022 12:35:29 PM EDT
[#6]
Stupid gate design, if they must use a swinging gate it should go in two directions, away from the direction of travel, so if something like this ever happens it'll swing away from the car.
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Posted: 12/7/2022 12:40:06 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Decapitation cases rake in the cash. Jury will be pretty freaked out. |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 12:48:09 PM EDT
[#8]
I awaits though death awards should be 400k, identical to what the .gov pays out on a soldier.
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Posted: 12/7/2022 12:48:31 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At least the NYPost article had pictures of the killer gate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It came in through the passenger window. https://nypost.com/2022/12/06/trial-begins-for-woman-decapitated-at-arches-national-park-esther-nakajjigo-family-seeks-140m/ At least the NYPost article had pictures of the killer gate. ETA: Ah, I see more pictures now. That looks like maybe the fire and rescue team used a halligan to open the hood and disable the engine? |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 1:14:57 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://s-yimg-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/Fn8xsOJoQTEV_4vTYYtw3w--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MA--/https://s.yimg.com/os/creatr-uploaded-images/2021-06/d2379a90-ce5a-11eb-bbff-346d15daa341https://unofficialnetworks-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/unofficialnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/88/2021/06/Untitled-design-60.jpg Her care and the gate. Guess just bad luck. That's horrible. 
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Posted: 12/7/2022 1:21:20 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a bummer, but the wind blowing something into the road and you driving into it does not equal 140 million Not 140million necessarily, but it's not blowing "something" into the road, it's blowing a metal gate that is supposed to be locked open. |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 1:36:56 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Stupid gate design, if they must use a swinging gate it should go in two directions, away from the direction of travel, so if something like this ever happens it'll swing away from the car. This. The gate swings partially into the oncoming traffic, essentially a braced spear. It hits the side of the car at such an angle that, combined with the forward movement of the car, rather than glancing off it "digs in." The movement of the car (doesn't have to be all that fast, 15-30 mph is probably plenty) then drives it into the car and causes it to swing forward as it penetrates further into the cabin. It won't stop moving forward in the car until the car itself stops, because behind the entry point there is a structural column. So that gate has all the force of the car behind it. When it hits the woman, it becomes a structural contest between flesh and bone or the structural steel of the car frame. Obviously the structural steel wins the contest. At even 15 mph it would take less than a second from initial impact to conclusion, so the driver isn't going to react fast enough to have any influence in the outcome if he didn't see what was coming before impact. If the gate opens the other way, the end is pointed away from oncoming traffic (unless someone crosses the center line), and it has a very high probability of glancing off leaving only cosmetic damage to the vehicle. Mike |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 1:46:38 PM EDT
[#13]
I will never look at those gates casually again. Damn that sucks.
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Posted: 12/7/2022 1:48:18 PM EDT
[#14]
I can see what happened. The gate partially closed and was edge on to the car. He probably was looking around and did not see it coming so the end of the gate impaled itself into the car. Just a matter of angles and bending, the tubing probably bent in the right direction to take her out.
The dark comedy side of me wants to say "isn't decapitation a natural cause in Uganda?" Pretty tragic. |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 1:53:59 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the gate opens the other way, the end is pointed away from oncoming traffic (unless someone crosses the center line), and it has a very high probability of glancing off leaving only cosmetic damage to the vehicle. Mike ....And for this reason, every gate in the entire federal land system(s) will now be retrofitted to open with the flow of traffic. |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 1:57:28 PM EDT
[#16]
Damn... can you imagine watching your woman's head explode while you're about to enjoy your vacation in a National Park?
They should get a few million for sure... and 15 minutes with the guy/girl who didn't secure the gate. |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 1:58:08 PM EDT
[#17]
That amount stated will get knocked down to a more reasonable amount at some point in the process. The media is just looking for the gee wiz factor.
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Posted: 12/7/2022 2:00:27 PM EDT
[#18]
lazy juries are the ones that permit these giant sums to be awarded. When I was stuck on the jury for a civil trial; everyone looked at me like I was crazy when i refused to give the plaintiffs the full sum they were asking for. At first everyone just wanted to give them the full amount so we could get out of there but eventually came around to my view point
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Posted: 12/7/2022 2:02:51 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I awaits though death awards should be 400k, identical to what the .gov pays out on a soldier. |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 2:04:15 PM EDT
[#20]
25yo, work until 70, starting at $50,00/year with COLA and raises along the way or jumping to another job for more money. Pretty easy to hit $4 million for loss of earning capacity.
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Posted: 12/7/2022 2:04:24 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit. He had to drive into it, though. Or are we talking about crazy wind speeds? I don't know about there, but the winds here would definitly do that. |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 2:04:47 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lazy juries are the ones that permit these giant sums to be awarded. When I was stuck on the jury for a civil trial; everyone looked at me like I was crazy when i refused to give the plaintiffs the full sum they were asking for. At first everyone just wanted to give them the full amount so we could get out of there but eventually came around to my view point Great jury selection by the defense 
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Posted: 12/7/2022 2:05:33 PM EDT
[#23]
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From the article... United States attorneys do not dispute that park officials shouldered blame, but argued the amount the family should be awarded is far less and called into questions the ways in which the damages being sought were calculated. They said claims by the family's lawyers that Nakajjigo, who was 25 at the time of her death, was on track to be a non-profit CEO shortly were too speculative to be used as a basis for damages. LOLlly LOL. Come on. Is this the Ugandan take on she was going to cure cancer? |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 2:08:27 PM EDT
[#25]
Awful and sad.
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Posted: 12/7/2022 2:08:57 PM EDT
[#26]
There was an unsecured gate below my high school. A kid was driving down the hill and it punched through his car door. Took a core sample out of his leg.
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Posted: 12/7/2022 2:15:06 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I will never look at those gates casually again. Damn that sucks. |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 2:18:13 PM EDT
[#28]
"She was one in a billion, Your Honor," attorney Randi McGinn told the judge, according to FOX 13 Salt Lake City. Nakajjigo was a Ugandan singer and actress who reportedly did charity work. Should have asked for a billion dollars. 
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Posted: 12/7/2022 2:31:29 PM EDT
[#29]
My family and I were actually in the park that day. This incident happened after we had already entered the park that morning.
It was fairly windy at times during several of our hikes during the day. We saw the scene as we were leaving for the day, after reading about what happened I was trying to figure out how exactly that happened. Thats a pretty low speed section of road, I suspect that they were traveling a bit faster than the posted speed limit in order for that amount of injury/death/damage to happen. Still doesn't completely remove the responsibility of the park service to properly secure the gate. ETA: I could also see the passenger hanging out of the window in order to get a photo or take in the view of the park entrance and getting hit by the unsecured gate. |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 2:34:28 PM EDT
[#30]
 The I-70 girder collapse back in 04' that killed a family of three. For reference, what you see there is the body of a Dodge Durango. The frame is about 200 feet down the highway. The heads didn't get decapitated: The bodies were cut in half. There was a call to 911 30 minutes before the collapse, but instead of notifying CSP or JeffCo Sheriff's, dispatch called ADOT. Colorado and the contractors' insurance paid out a total, of about 1.5 million to the family. Jay |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 2:35:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/7/2022 2:54:44 PM EDT
[#32]
I’m honestly having a real hard time understanding how this could happen. I’ve been to arches and driven through that gate multiple times. I understand the wind can whip through there, but enough to produce the force necessary I’m struggling.
In the video on page 1, the news said there is a video that the park service has that may/may not show the accident happening, but they have yet to turn it over. It is not a gore video to me, but more of I just need to see how this could happen. The 911 call said her head was laying on the ground … I’m struggling to understand how. Also, couldn’t image to be her husband and actually see that happen. That is one I could see/understand the lawsuit including PTSD. |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 2:56:46 PM EDT
[#33]
It looks like the gate may have been partially closed, pointing the tip of the gate 30* into the traffic lane, and the car was then driven into it.
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Posted: 12/7/2022 2:57:13 PM EDT
[#34]
So many African immigrants in Utah start “nonprofits”. Many years ago I worked for the department of corporations where they had to come in and file their UCC and 501c3 documents.
Constant parade of African immigrants filing paperwork. So many got into arguments with investigators about charitable purpose and how incensed they were that 99% couldn’t go to their nonprofit CEO. Lots of Nigerian style “businesses”. |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 3:26:17 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: From the article... United States attorneys do not dispute that park officials shouldered blame, but argued the amount the family should be awarded is far less and called into questions the ways in which the damages being sought were calculated. They said claims by the family's lawyers that Nakajjigo, who was 25 at the time of her death, was on track to be a non-profit CEO shortly were too speculative to be used as a basis for damages. LOLlly LOL. Come on. Is this the Ugandan take on she was going to cure cancer? Seriously. "suggested she would have gone on to become a non-profit CEO who could eventually have netted an annual income in the hundreds of thousands of dollars — or millions." I'm going to go out on a limb and say that either she was working for a shady ass NP, or NP didn't translate well. |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 3:38:57 PM EDT
[#36]
This painting sums up the situation. Now put it slightly off to the side, on a hinge and instead of a horse you have a car.
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Posted: 12/7/2022 3:53:02 PM EDT
[#37]
Wow, must have been really tough to see that, someone just sitting right next to you.
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Posted: 12/7/2022 4:16:15 PM EDT
[#38]
According to the story.
Husband is white. His wife was Ugandan. I don't think he was an immigrant. Gate opens toward oncoming traffic. So as they were passing. The gate was swung into the window of the car. Basically right infront of her just in time to be smashed by it. Reminds me of that video in Russia where dudes wife is hit by a brick off of a passing truck. |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 4:34:22 PM EDT
[#39]
Apparently this is not as uncommon as I would have thought. images
Will definitely give these things a whole lot more respect. |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 4:38:11 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If a soldier got his head lobbed off by that gate on vacation his family would get a lot more than $ 400k But not if he gets blown up by a roadside bomb in Afghanistan. $400k is the maximum life insurance policy that the government provides for troops (and for which they pay a fairly small premium, and are pretty much required to have). |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 4:49:59 PM EDT
[#41]
In opening statements Monday in Salt Lake City, attorneys representing Michaud and Nakajjigo's family said they were seeking $140 million in damages from the government. He noted she had recently worked as a host at a restaurant around the time of her death and didn't have a Bachelor's degree. McGinn said if her life hadn't been cut short that Nakajjigo's trajectory suggested she would have gone on to become a non-profit CEO who could eventually have netted an annual income in the hundreds of thousands of dollars — or millions. Apparently, I don't understand what the phrase "Non-Profit" means... |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 5:00:18 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently, I don't understand what the phrase "Non-Profit" means... Try spelling it s-c-a-m and see if that helps. |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 5:06:24 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn... can you imagine watching your woman's head explode while you're about to enjoy your vacation in a National Park? They should get a few million for sure... and 15 minutes with the guy/girl who didn't secure the gate. |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 5:13:21 PM EDT
[#44]
 Winger - Headed For A Heartbreak (Official Music Video) |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 5:21:03 PM EDT
[#45]
Non-Profit CEO at 25? Anyone could do that. I'm sure it sounds impressive to morons on a jury though. Gotta pump those numbers up!
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Posted: 12/7/2022 5:38:07 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, after reading the article.... I suspect that the wind didn't blow the gate at the moment they drove past, but, rather, the wind had either already moved the gate, or as they drove past it they were close to it and maybe they touched the edge of the gate, maybe the wind moved it an inch and once it touched sheet metal it penetrated and the rest was history. It is NOT as if they were sitting still and the gate swung around like a giant battle-axe. It's a genuinely terrible accident, but whether there's any culpability for negligence is a more complex question. I'm no champion of the NPS, anyone who has been here long knows that, but in this case......ehhhhh, I need a lot of details before I say they owe him money for this. After looking at the gates and the way they'd swing, that's exactly what happened. I also don't think it swung in and took off her head, more than it penetrated the window and most likely went right through her head. Either way, it's a terrible accident and I feel for him to have to see his bride killed right before his eyes. I can't imagine the pain he's in. That's said, the amount they're asking for is crazy. |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 5:39:23 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lol...no it won't. Stop being hysterical. So, you don't pay taxes then? There's a reason I don't see your posts. |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 5:40:42 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Write the check...full amount. Their loss...their number. Make sure to write a note to the attorney telling them you feel responsible as a taxpayer. I'm sure they'll have no problem taking your money, after all it's not right to try and spend everyone else's money, but that's exactly what you're proposing. |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 5:48:59 PM EDT
[#49]
The last pole she ever smoked.
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Posted: 12/7/2022 5:51:35 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You do realize it will be your bank account the check will be written on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Write the check...full amount. Their loss...their number. You do realize it will be your bank account the check will be written on. $40bil to Ukraine, $2tril unaccounted for, 10% to the big guy etc... you'd go scorched earth of someone's negligence got your wife's head severed into your lap, too. |
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