[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Toyota recalls the latest gen Tundra (Page 3 of 5)
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Quoted: The turbo engines are ridiculous and not more fuel efficient to any appreciable degree. Yeah while the turbo six is more efficient the real world difference is not that much. Scroll to 15:30 for the mpg comparison between a 4.7, 5.7n and the new turbo 6.  Three Generations of Toyota Tundra Drag Race & MPG Surprise: That WAS NOT Supposed to Happen! |
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Quoted: Have we been hearing about any issues in the new turbo 4s? T24A is used widely - since '21 in NX, Highlander/ RX / Crown since '22 and GH/ Tacoma/ Alphard recently. No issues widely known, in hybrid and non apps. The 8AR has been in production since '15, and the S20A since '22, I haven't heard of any issues there either. I do want one of those 24 Tacoma twin turbo tho  . Be cool the SEMA X-Runner to go series production - but unlikely |
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Quoted: The nearest Toyo dealer called me in an attempt to buy my '21 Tundra Crewmax TRD Pro with 30k miles from me....for $5K MORE in cash than they sold it to me for last year. I laughed in V8 master class and declined. I'll stay with my current truck, thanks. I have no desire to keep up with the Jones's. I love Tundras and drove a new one while mine was being serviced 2 months ago and loathed it. Not a fan of them at all, but at least they're actively trying to fix it. I bought my 21 in February and I started getting emails to buy mine for more than I paid just a few months after I bought it. I'll keep this thing until the wheels fall off. |
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Quoted: Pallas is correct. Not a legit HE. Doesn’t have the black side-view mirrors either. I have come across a few people throwing on the HE badging and bronze wheels and calling it a HE. Between that and finding one that doesn’t have an undercoating (e.g. Ziebart) has been a bit of a challenge. If you are ever bored, do an Internet search, a vast majority of HE LC200's aren't... Some sellers don't even try, some actually go to pretty good lengths. But, the stitching is one thing they are just not getting around without spending big money. The thing that kills me about Toyota/LC200 is how wrinkled the driver's seat gets on the left side, my 4R did this rather quickly. Meanwhile, I've got this 2019 F150 with 65k on it and the seats look new, not a wrinkle. Yeah, I know it is plastic coated leather, but damn. At any rate, if I was serious about buy a HE, I'd call Toyota with the VIN. Honestly, I wouldn't care as long as it didn't have the third row, cool box -and- it had the grill and local of ugly ass chrome shiny stuff, and was the same prices as a regular LC200. The front end is what looks good on the HE. |
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Quoted: I've heard nothing from dealers, and I've specifically asked while discussing the Tundras. Quoted: Quoted: Have we been hearing about any issues in the new turbo 4s? I've heard nothing from dealers, and I've specifically asked while discussing the Tundras. Anything on any LS500? That's the interesting pattern since it preceded volume and TMMAL involvement. V35A prod since '17. |
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Quoted: Haven't heard anything from dealers or interwebs. Quoted: Quoted: Anything on any LS500? Haven't heard anything from dealers or interwebs. Nope. But if it was a design issue - bearings, cradle, block integrity, primary oiling - whatever many are certain of, odd none of us had seen a thing. Low volume but some percentage of early LS 500 would be impacted . |
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Makes my 5.7's induction tone sound even sweeter. Don't know why manufacturers can't figure out that the best configuration for a torquey turbo 6 is a straight 6. I would have considered a new Tundra if it had been I-6 and not ugly. And if they hadn't shrunk the back seat in the Doublecab. |
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Quoted: Thusfar it seems to have been a long and rather precarious rebuild process by dealer techs...which hasn't seemed to make owners happy. Engine swap is the most logical conclusion and frankly probably has less expense than trying to rebuild the existing engine. Pulling the affected engine and dropping in a new crate motor would be the most economical solution, but it seems like Toyota is tripping over dollars to save a penny by having short blocks sent in and making the techs tear them down. Just R&R the whole thing to get the customer back on the road and send the cores back to the factory to be torn down and reman'd if they can be saved. |
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Quoted: I'm on my 4th, maybe 5th recall, on my '21 F150 on top of the 3 warranty repairs (rear bearings, rear suspension, rear door fitment). So I really can't remember. Seems Ford issues a recall but can't do anything about it because they don't have the parts. So I get a recall notice and wait for the call to tell me to bring my truck in. What a shit show this truck has been. Never again Ford. Ford can FOAD. Back to Nissan or Toyota as soon as feasible. Quoted: Quoted: https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-recalls-certain-model-year-2022-2023-toyota-tundra-and-lexus-lx-vehicles/ Debris inside the engine...likely what's behind the numerous reports of spun bearings and other major engine failures in the 3rd gen Tundra. I'm on my 4th, maybe 5th recall, on my '21 F150 on top of the 3 warranty repairs (rear bearings, rear suspension, rear door fitment). So I really can't remember. Seems Ford issues a recall but can't do anything about it because they don't have the parts. So I get a recall notice and wait for the call to tell me to bring my truck in. What a shit show this truck has been. Never again Ford. Ford can FOAD. Back to Nissan or Toyota as soon as feasible. I have some bad news about Nissan for you... |
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Quoted: If you are ever bored, do an Internet search, a vast majority of HE LC200's aren't... Some sellers don't even try, some actually go to pretty good lengths. But, the stitching is one thing they are just not getting around without spending big money. The thing that kills me about Toyota/LC200 is how wrinkled the driver's seat gets on the left side, my 4R did this rather quickly. Meanwhile, I've got this 2019 F150 with 65k on it and the seats look new, not a wrinkle. Yeah, I know it is plastic coated leather, but damn. At any rate, if I was serious about buy a HE, I'd call Toyota with the VIN. Honestly, I wouldn't care as long as it didn't have the third row, cool box -and- it had the grill and local of ugly ass chrome shiny stuff, and was the same prices as a regular LC200. The front end is what looks good on the HE. Quoted: Quoted: Pallas is correct. Not a legit HE. Doesn’t have the black side-view mirrors either. I have come across a few people throwing on the HE badging and bronze wheels and calling it a HE. Between that and finding one that doesn’t have an undercoating (e.g. Ziebart) has been a bit of a challenge. If you are ever bored, do an Internet search, a vast majority of HE LC200's aren't... Some sellers don't even try, some actually go to pretty good lengths. But, the stitching is one thing they are just not getting around without spending big money. The thing that kills me about Toyota/LC200 is how wrinkled the driver's seat gets on the left side, my 4R did this rather quickly. Meanwhile, I've got this 2019 F150 with 65k on it and the seats look new, not a wrinkle. Yeah, I know it is plastic coated leather, but damn. At any rate, if I was serious about buy a HE, I'd call Toyota with the VIN. Honestly, I wouldn't care as long as it didn't have the third row, cool box -and- it had the grill and local of ugly ass chrome shiny stuff, and was the same prices as a regular LC200. The front end is what looks good on the HE. Wrinkled front seats? My 4Runner had 158,000 miles over 7 years and no wrinkles. Is this only a problem for the gravitationally challenged? |
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Quoted: My 22 truck had this issue- blew the engine going down the interstate with 37k on it. This happened in February. To their credit, they towed to the nearest dealer, gave me a loaner truck that had 7 miles on it, and had to completely rebuild all parts of the truck that oil passed through. The service manager at the time knew about the issue they were having- back then he said it was debris in the engine. The bill when I got my truck back a month later was over $38,000. I paid nothing- Toyota covered it all (I had the platinum warranty, but the service manager said even if I didn't have it, they would have covered it). I still struggle to wrap my head around how the repairs could be over half the value of the vehicle... A lot of that cost is labor, it takes a hot minute to pull an engine even cab off and then having to rebuild it from the ground up takes even longer. Lots of fiddle fucking with torque wrenches and small parts if you want to do it right |
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Quoted: The is ESPECIALLY true with engines that have oil cooled turbos, oil controlled VVT, and oil control timing tensions, etc. More than just oiling the camshaft journals, which is reason enough alone to justify a long block. Don't know if the turbos are oil or water cooled. Any modern turbo is oil and water cooled for the most part |
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Ford ...Toyota... large trucks becoming to expensive for the buyer and the seller. All part of the grand EPA plan to phase out large trucks from the American memory. Like Obama said about coal burning energy ...they will let you have the capability...you just wont be able to afford it . |
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Quoted: Yeah while the turbo six is more efficient the real world difference is not that much. Scroll to 15:30 for the mpg comparison between a 4.7, 5.7n and the new turbo 6.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBnE5iKK60YWith all due respect to that video's single data point, a quick look at fuelly suggests the new turbo 6 gets 3-4 MPG better on average. 3 MPG might not sound like much, but when were talking about vehicles that get less than 20 MPG it's pretty significant: the turbo 6 will reduce your fuel costs by 20%. |
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Quoted: Do you have a specific example, or is this just some made up bullshit to justify your overpriced truck with a defective engine? Quoted: Quoted: At least they're trying to fix it. Most other manufacturers would just say it's "normal" engine failure. Do you have a specific example, or is this just some made up bullshit to justify your overpriced truck with a defective engine? Im not a big fan of this line as Toyota doesn't handle much differently than other mfg. But some. Ford chose CSP for 2.3 issue as earlier in this thread. Honda has done nothing for the 3.5 failures so far. Honda also has a habit of doing extended warranties for their fairly common transmission issues. The CVT belt disintegration extended has already expired for a good chunk, those folks are out of luck, Attached File GM has some proclivities as well. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/06/gm-hit-with-102point6-million-jury-verdict-in-engine-flaw-class-action.html Ford took a bit on the Ecoboost but finally recalled https://www.thedrive.com/news/fords-self-clogging-1-0-liter-ecoboost-engine-is-finally-getting-recalled We'll see how Nissan turns out, this time. About a decade ago the engine failure class actions, after a number of years fighting, eventually agreed to extend the warranty, doubling the mileage. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-opens-probe-into-over-450000-nissan-vehicles-engine-failure-concerns-2023-12-15/ Toyota ain't perfect but mostly they do a bit better. Recalls don't expire and they don't require a failure to remedy. If you're in the recalled series your getting a new engine without need for failure. There's other examples. |
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Quoted: https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-recalls-certain-model-year-2022-2023-toyota-tundra-and-lexus-lx-vehicles/ Debris inside the engine...likely what's behind the numerous reports of spun bearings and other major engine failures in the 3rd gen Tundra. Is this involved in any way? |
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Quoted: Quoted: https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-recalls-certain-model-year-2022-2023-toyota-tundra-and-lexus-lx-vehicles/ Debris inside the engine...likely what's behind the numerous reports of spun bearings and other major engine failures in the 3rd gen Tundra. Is this involved in any way? No TIC mfg diesels and Daihatsu has nothing to do with the V35A. |
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Some people are now cutting thier oil filters open and finding metal. Also there is quite a bit of skepticism about Toyota's claims on debris left in the engine. The failures have been the same main bearing and they don't seem concerned about the cam phasers or turbos being affected. |
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Quoted: Some people are now cutting thier oil filters open and finding metal.https://tnstatic.net/attachments/tundra-oil-change-1-revised3-jpg.1001438/ Also there is quite a bit of skepticism about Toyota's claims on debris left in the engine. The failures have been the same main bearing and they don't seem concerned about the cam phasers or turbos being affected. So they intentionally misrepresented in their NHSTA filing? |
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Quoted: Some people are now cutting thier oil filters open and finding metal.https://tnstatic.net/attachments/tundra-oil-change-1-revised3-jpg.1001438/ Also there is quite a bit of skepticism about Toyota's claims on debris left in the engine. The failures have been the same main bearing and they don't seem concerned about the cam phasers or turbos being affected. A picture posted by a new member with two posts. It might be legit, but I’m suspect. |
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Quoted: Makes my 5.7's induction tone sound even sweeter. Don't know why manufacturers can't figure out that the best configuration for a torquey turbo 6 is a straight 6. I would have considered a new Tundra if it had been I-6 and not ugly. And if they hadn't shrunk the back seat in the Doublecab. Never understood that myself, a straight 6 is intrinsically balanced almost perfectly, only a V12 surpasses it from what I remember. With PFI or DI, the unbalanced fueling issues carbed 6's have don't exist. Pop a turbo on the side and you have more room in the engine compartment to boot over a V6 and while longer, the same side to side of a 4 popper. 4's are not a very well balanced engine and once you go above 2.5 liters or so, require balance shafts, even smaller displacement ones often have them. |
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Quoted: Never understood that myself, a straight 6 is intrinsically balanced almost perfectly, only a V12 surpasses it from what I remember. With PFI or DI, the unbalanced fueling issues carbed 6's have don't exist. Pop a turbo on the side and you have more room in the engine compartment to boot over a V6 and while longer, the same side to side of a 4 popper. 4's are not a very well balanced engine and once you go above 2.5 liters or so, require balance shafts, even smaller displacement ones often have them. Quoted: Quoted: Makes my 5.7's induction tone sound even sweeter. Don't know why manufacturers can't figure out that the best configuration for a torquey turbo 6 is a straight 6. I would have considered a new Tundra if it had been I-6 and not ugly. And if they hadn't shrunk the back seat in the Doublecab. Never understood that myself, a straight 6 is intrinsically balanced almost perfectly, only a V12 surpasses it from what I remember. With PFI or DI, the unbalanced fueling issues carbed 6's have don't exist. Pop a turbo on the side and you have more room in the engine compartment to boot over a V6 and while longer, the same side to side of a 4 popper. 4's are not a very well balanced engine and once you go above 2.5 liters or so, require balance shafts, even smaller displacement ones often have them. It's really just a packaging issue. If it's RWD based it makes zero sense to use a V6 IMO. Esp when everyone is dropping V8s and going with turbo 6's to replace the V8 and turbo I4s to replace the NA V6s. It seems like from a manufacturing stand point an i4 and i6 makes the most sense as they could be modular. I6s and i4s are super easy to work on also. Like you said intake stuff on one side, exhaust/turbo stuff on the other. Ignition and fuel at the top, accessories all at the front. |
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Quoted: Why can nobody build anything anymore.  We just forget how sucky it was. Quad 4, Reatta and all kinds of GM cooling issues, Olds diesels, Subaru a decade ago, Northstar and 2AZ head fasteners (and oil consumption on the latter). There's lots It's never been better, but mostly it's been worse. |
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Quoted: Not yet Quoted: Not yet But, I bet we will. Toyota owners will still Toyota over this V6TT, but the Lexus owners will be pissed. Quoted: With all due respect to that video's single data point, a quick look at fuelly suggests the new turbo 6 gets 3-4 MPG better on average. 3 MPG might not sound like much, but when were talking about vehicles that get less than 20 MPG it's pretty significant: the turbo 6 will reduce your fuel costs by 20%. Not a huge deal in the 17whatever gallon tanks they are putting in some vehicles, but that really adds up to some serious range when you have a 32-36 gal tank. |
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Quoted: We just forget how sucky it was. Quad 4, Reatta and all kinds of GM cooling issues, Olds diesels, Subaru a decade ago, Northstar and 2AZ head fasteners (and oil consumption on the latter). There's lots It's never been better, but mostly it's been worse. Quoted: Quoted: Why can nobody build anything anymore. We just forget how sucky it was. Quad 4, Reatta and all kinds of GM cooling issues, Olds diesels, Subaru a decade ago, Northstar and 2AZ head fasteners (and oil consumption on the latter). There's lots It's never been better, but mostly it's been worse. Yeah. It's easy to forget the annual water pump changes back in the sbc Chevy days. |
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Quoted: We just forget how sucky it was. Quad 4, Reatta and all kinds of GM cooling issues, Olds diesels, Subaru a decade ago, Northstar and 2AZ head fasteners (and oil consumption on the latter). There's lots It's never been better, but mostly it's been worse. Quoted: Quoted: Why can nobody build anything anymore. We just forget how sucky it was. Quad 4, Reatta and all kinds of GM cooling issues, Olds diesels, Subaru a decade ago, Northstar and 2AZ head fasteners (and oil consumption on the latter). There's lots It's never been better, but mostly it's been worse. Oh I see you've never owned a Land Rover. It would be the first thing you mentioned if so. |
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Quoted: But, I bet we will. Toyota owners will still Toyota over this V6TT, but the Lexus owners will be pissed. Not a huge deal in the 17whatever gallon tanks they are putting in some vehicles, but that really adds up to some serious range when you have a 32-36 gal tank. Quoted: Quoted: Not yet But, I bet we will. Toyota owners will still Toyota over this V6TT, but the Lexus owners will be pissed. Quoted: With all due respect to that video's single data point, a quick look at fuelly suggests the new turbo 6 gets 3-4 MPG better on average. 3 MPG might not sound like much, but when were talking about vehicles that get less than 20 MPG it's pretty significant: the turbo 6 will reduce your fuel costs by 20%. Not a huge deal in the 17whatever gallon tanks they are putting in some vehicles, but that really adds up to some serious range when you have a 32-36 gal tank. You guys saying the mileage sucks on the turbo trucks must all have a heavy foot. We had a hand full of 5.7s in the fleet. All were 13-15mpg no matter what you did. The 14 was on load e tires. The 3-4 trucks other trucks were on standard Oe spec tires. They did 14-15, with an occasional 16 sprinkled in.... on the best days with all long highway runs. Just keeping it real in here guys... Mostly highway and mixed town driving. Attached File In town burn today... short and lots of stop lights... Attached File |
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Quoted: Never understood that myself, a straight 6 is intrinsically balanced almost perfectly, only a V12 surpasses it from what I remember. With PFI or DI, the unbalanced fueling issues carbed 6's have don't exist. Pop a turbo on the side and you have more room in the engine compartment to boot over a V6 and while longer, the same side to side of a 4 popper. 4's are not a very well balanced engine and once you go above 2.5 liters or so, require balance shafts, even smaller displacement ones often have them. An Inline 6 requires a long engine bay and in the end probably conflicts with meeting the needs of crumple zones for crash testing. |
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Quoted: Oh I see you've never owned a Land Rover. It would be the first thing you mentioned if so. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why can nobody build anything anymore. We just forget how sucky it was. Quad 4, Reatta and all kinds of GM cooling issues, Olds diesels, Subaru a decade ago, Northstar and 2AZ head fasteners (and oil consumption on the latter). There's lots It's never been better, but mostly it's been worse. Oh I see you've never owned a Land Rover. It would be the first thing you mentioned if so. Yeah but the Land Rovers had ALL the above issues, not just one or two. 
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We're on recall number 6 or so on a 2023 Tundra. Mostly software stuff and 2 or 3 for the same fuel line. There's even one for a tonneau cover we don't have, can't seem to figure out how to close it Quoted: You guys saying the mileage sucks on the turbo trucks must all have a heavy foot. We had a hand full of 5.7s in the fleet. All were 13-15mpg no matter what you did. The 14 was on load e tires. The 3-4 trucks other trucks were on standard Oe spec tires. They did 14-15, with an occasional 16 sprinkled in.... on the best days with all long highway runs. Just keeping it real in here guys... Mostly highway and mixed town driving. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/388732/IMG_2322_jpeg-3230355.JPG In town burn today... short and lots of stop lights... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/388732/IMG_2323_jpeg-3230359.JPG I drive like an old man and ours never gets above 15.6 or so. It also forgets where thee fuel level is and doesn't seem to know it has a 32 gallon tank, so I take it with a grain of salt. Our local dealer doesn't seem concerned, they don't have to live with it. |
| I'm sure they will get it sorted out. That's why I'm a big believer of buying one of the last year models of a generation of a vehicle since all the common problems are well known by then. Even after doing this I still had a water pump gasket leak that is not common at all in my 5th gen 4runner that I caught and was fixed under warranty. Anything mechanical will eventually break, some faster than others. I still have more confidence in Toyota than all the other manufacturers. |
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Quoted: Indeed. Going for the new model is going for all the problems they don't know they have yet. That Toyota is taking this sort of drastic action is a good thing...although resolution is still not outlined. What seems to be necessary in these cases is an engine rebuild, which isn't making a lot of consumers happy. A complete engine replacement would be preferred, but we'll see what Toyota does. Their dealership network is probably ill-equipped to inspect and rebuild `100,000 + engines. Quoted: Quoted: The advice "Never buy a first year model" even applies to Toyota I guess. Indeed. Going for the new model is going for all the problems they don't know they have yet. That Toyota is taking this sort of drastic action is a good thing...although resolution is still not outlined. What seems to be necessary in these cases is an engine rebuild, which isn't making a lot of consumers happy. A complete engine replacement would be preferred, but we'll see what Toyota does. Their dealership network is probably ill-equipped to inspect and rebuild `100,000 + engines. |