[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Toyota Tundra and Lexus LX600 Engine replacement recall 100,000+ units (Page 4 of 8)
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Quoted: My 23' tundra that I'm pretty sure is part of this recall has almost 30k miles.... Love this truck. Only thing wrong with it is the center consul is stupid, and the narrow bed is a really fucking dumb idea. I wish the parking break didn't freak out every time you open the door when in gear, but I'm pretty sure every manufacturer has to do that now because of regulation. Make sure you don't have a modern vehicle if you need to getaway vehicle..... In the right sunlight, the hood lines can reflect glint directly back into your eyes. That part is very annoying Some days. Other than that, this truck is extremely awesome. The media center is epic. The microphones are amazing. I can do meetings from the vehicle and the audio is perfect. Most of the time people don't even know I'm driving. And what a fun experience to drive. The engine is so much better in every way than my old 57. I love old-school V8 reliability, but we have to be honest here, this newer arrangement is just better. More torque, more efficient, and just a better experience. Before everybody gets all pissy with me, my favorite vehicle still to drive is my 5VZ powered 4Runner.... Piss I drove a Toyota 57 the other day. I used to think that thing was a rocket. That thing is slow as shit compared to the Twin turbo. Great and amazing engine, but we got a call it for what it is. Super reliable and works well. But it only wishes it could make the torque with the twin turbo does. The best thing about the new tundra is how quiet it is in the cab. Bet most you guys didn't know it's almost Rolls-Royce quiet on the inside. It got tested at 62 dB or something like that. It's not a perfect truck as nothing is perfect. But it is pretty damn awesome. And I certainly wouldn't want to go backwards to a 5.7...... Unless it was in a Land Cruiser  There's been "officially" (whatever that means) 824 twin turbo engines go down so far. Out of 102k vehicles.... Less than 1% failure..... meanwhile MDS has been blowing up scores and scores of other truck engines for a good long damn time, well decades actually and no one gives a fuck about that problem. I personally know eight guys that have lost Chevy and ram engines because of MDS. The local Yoda shop has yet to see one TT go down. This entire issue with the new Toyota engine is completely overblown in my opinion. The only reason this is even newsworthy is because the car maker that normally bats 1000 most the time had a stumble and everybody acts like it's the end of the world. Meanwhile, everybody else has a blown up MDS GM or Ram product, or the weekly ford recall.....but that's different....lol. I have owned them all by the way. I'm not one of those guys that sits there and dies on the brand. I like things that are good to go, and work well. That's it. Love my LC with the 5.7 .  Guys can you talk to me about the new Taco issues. Son needs to buy a new truck and was looking at Taco or a Maverick. |
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Quoted: Explorer, Flex, Taurus SHO, and some Lincolns. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, for those who haven't been following the saga: Ford shifted to the twin turbocharged V-6 over ten years ago. Toyota fan bois gushed about the superiority of their old technology N/A V8 It used a lot more fuel, and was less powerful, but, it was perhaps more reliable when beyond the 130,000 mile mark. Then, Covid happened, and Toyota never bounced back. They adopted the Rolex pricing model, and even worse, got rid of their tried and true V8, and introduced an abortion of a twin turbocharged V6, which gets slightly better fuel economy, but abandons the one thing that made Toyota special. Reliability. Now we are in a weird opposite world, where the tried and true Ford Eco-boost engine is powerful, reliable and efficient, while the experimental reverse engineered Toyota version is riddled with serious issues. The Toyo Fan bois have nothing left, but to brag about driving their Old trucks until the wheels fall off. GM is a whole 'nother issue. The worst of the bunch. If they hadn't gone all in with the AFM, they could have ruled all. and in transverse applications, the 3.5L EcoBoost has the extra spicy problem of a water pump that's mounted INSIDE the engine for packaging reasons, and when that water pump fails, it trashes the whole engine. . Can anyone help me out here? What are the Transverse applications of the 3.5 EB? Explorer, Flex, Taurus SHO, and some Lincolns. Yep D3/D4 platforms |
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Quoted: I wasn't defending Ford. I was explaining the Irony of the last ten years, which saw innumerable threads where legions of ToyoTruck fan bois mocked and derided the Turbocharger, only to have Toyota finally cave in and force this abortion of a reverse engineered 3.5EB upon the unwilling masses. I wish it never happened, or, I wish they would at least offer the V-8 as an option. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, for those who haven't been following the saga: Ford shifted to the twin turbocharged V-6 over ten years ago. Toyota fan bois gushed about the superiority of their old technology N/A V8 It used a lot more fuel, and was less powerful, but, it was perhaps more reliable when beyond the 130,000 mile mark. Then, Covid happened, and Toyota never bounced back. They adopted the Rolex pricing model, and even worse, got rid of their tried and true V8, and introduced an abortion of a twin turbocharged V6, which gets slightly better fuel economy, but abandons the one thing that made Toyota special. Reliability. Now we are in a weird opposite world, where the tried and true Ford Eco-boost engine is powerful, reliable and efficient, while the experimental reverse engineered Toyota version is riddled with serious issues. The Toyo Fan bois have nothing left, but to brag about driving their Old trucks until the wheels fall off. GM is a whole 'nother issue. The worst of the bunch. If they hadn't gone all in with the AFM, they could have ruled all.  We're 13 years in on the 3.5L EcoBoost being the flagship engine for the F-150, and Ford still hasn't sorted out the timing system. They went from stretchy timing chains and guide/tensioner issues on the first gen engines to cam phasers that have to be replaced as often as tires on the second gen engines. Oh, and in transverse applications, the 3.5L EcoBoost has the extra spicy problem of a water pump that's mounted INSIDE the engine for packaging reasons, and when that water pump fails, it trashes the whole engine. We can check back on Toyota in a few years, but the bar to beat Ford here is pretty low. Really, across the entire EcoBoost family, the only engine that's generally been trustworthy is the 2.7L V6, and that one still has two date ranges of major manufacturing defects (heads in 2016 and valves in 2021). The NHSTA investigation on the 2.7 and 3.0 is wrapping up engineering analysis. It will almost certainly result in a recall. As the formal, fully pursued process on the 1.0 Ecotec did. Where Ford pulled the trigger on recall only when the private litigation underway was seen to hold more financial danger. But they bought a few years. https://seekingalpha.com/pr/19482430-us-expands-probe-ford-engine-failures-to-include-two-motors-and-nearly-709000-vehicles?feed_item_type=news&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=msn.com BillofRights puts forth a remarkable narrative, given that Ford has 4 major drivetrain investigations ongoing currently. Plus BlueCruise. Toyota has its own problems but they have not availed themselves to over 3 years of process and stonewalling, immediately voluntarily recalled and have a plan moving forward to remedy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_2461_jpeg-3277419.JPG Meanwhile Ford will replace your 2.3L, as long as you were aware and responded within the determined period. Which is why mfg avoid recalls. The clock is running, you had a year. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_2458_jpeg-3277412.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_2460_jpeg-3277415.JPG I wasn't defending Ford. I was explaining the Irony of the last ten years, which saw innumerable threads where legions of ToyoTruck fan bois mocked and derided the Turbocharger, only to have Toyota finally cave in and force this abortion of a reverse engineered 3.5EB upon the unwilling masses. I wish it never happened, or, I wish they would at least offer the V-8 as an option. Fair, tho I wasn't responding as if you were. There's a gulf between the two in both breadth of issues and depth of avoidance. Tho I'm no fanboi, Toyota should be seen as superior in both response and remedy. So I lean towards the fanbois here. That said as I pointed out the 1KD was a shit show, but the issues were determined and the engineered solutions (piston replacement) was put in place. It's now a well regarded engine, tho with some caveats. Jhon's post about how the 5VZ and 1GR debuted - and the short period to remedy - greatly costrasts with Ford's continued issues over those years you laid out, and GMs struggles with AFM, transmissions and now bearings during the same period. Still I'm V35A averse until proven out. |
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Quoted: Nothing is perfect and Toyota/Lexus go above and beyond to fix their mistakes. I’m shocked that the LS was not involved as it too has this issue Lexus has sold 7 LSs, all were sold to retirees, none have exceeded 55 MPH, and none have made it to the first oil change yet.
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Quoted: Love my LC with the 5.7 . Guys can you talk to me about the new Taco issues. Son needs to buy a new truck and was looking at Taco or a Maverick. Quoted: Quoted: My 23' tundra that I'm pretty sure is part of this recall has almost 30k miles.... Love this truck. Only thing wrong with it is the center consul is stupid, and the narrow bed is a really fucking dumb idea. I wish the parking break didn't freak out every time you open the door when in gear, but I'm pretty sure every manufacturer has to do that now because of regulation. Make sure you don't have a modern vehicle if you need to getaway vehicle..... In the right sunlight, the hood lines can reflect glint directly back into your eyes. That part is very annoying Some days. Other than that, this truck is extremely awesome. The media center is epic. The microphones are amazing. I can do meetings from the vehicle and the audio is perfect. Most of the time people don't even know I'm driving. And what a fun experience to drive. The engine is so much better in every way than my old 57. I love old-school V8 reliability, but we have to be honest here, this newer arrangement is just better. More torque, more efficient, and just a better experience. Before everybody gets all pissy with me, my favorite vehicle still to drive is my 5VZ powered 4Runner.... Piss I drove a Toyota 57 the other day. I used to think that thing was a rocket. That thing is slow as shit compared to the Twin turbo. Great and amazing engine, but we got a call it for what it is. Super reliable and works well. But it only wishes it could make the torque with the twin turbo does. The best thing about the new tundra is how quiet it is in the cab. Bet most you guys didn't know it's almost Rolls-Royce quiet on the inside. It got tested at 62 dB or something like that. It's not a perfect truck as nothing is perfect. But it is pretty damn awesome. And I certainly wouldn't want to go backwards to a 5.7...... Unless it was in a Land Cruiser There's been "officially" (whatever that means) 824 twin turbo engines go down so far. Out of 102k vehicles.... Less than 1% failure..... meanwhile MDS has been blowing up scores and scores of other truck engines for a good long damn time, well decades actually and no one gives a fuck about that problem. I personally know eight guys that have lost Chevy and ram engines because of MDS. The local Yoda shop has yet to see one TT go down. This entire issue with the new Toyota engine is completely overblown in my opinion. The only reason this is even newsworthy is because the car maker that normally bats 1000 most the time had a stumble and everybody acts like it's the end of the world. Meanwhile, everybody else has a blown up MDS GM or Ram product, or the weekly ford recall.....but that's different....lol. I have owned them all by the way. I'm not one of those guys that sits there and dies on the brand. I like things that are good to go, and work well. That's it. Love my LC with the 5.7 . Guys can you talk to me about the new Taco issues. Son needs to buy a new truck and was looking at Taco or a Maverick. Sample size is small, but so far, the Taco has had a weird mix of drivetrain issues. Examples include the transfer case, the manual transmission, the rear main seal, and I think there are some axle issue. The best bet in the midsize truck class right now is the Frontier. |
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Quoted: Yep D3/D4 platforms Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, for those who haven't been following the saga: Ford shifted to the twin turbocharged V-6 over ten years ago. Toyota fan bois gushed about the superiority of their old technology N/A V8 It used a lot more fuel, and was less powerful, but, it was perhaps more reliable when beyond the 130,000 mile mark. Then, Covid happened, and Toyota never bounced back. They adopted the Rolex pricing model, and even worse, got rid of their tried and true V8, and introduced an abortion of a twin turbocharged V6, which gets slightly better fuel economy, but abandons the one thing that made Toyota special. Reliability. Now we are in a weird opposite world, where the tried and true Ford Eco-boost engine is powerful, reliable and efficient, while the experimental reverse engineered Toyota version is riddled with serious issues. The Toyo Fan bois have nothing left, but to brag about driving their Old trucks until the wheels fall off. GM is a whole 'nother issue. The worst of the bunch. If they hadn't gone all in with the AFM, they could have ruled all. and in transverse applications, the 3.5L EcoBoost has the extra spicy problem of a water pump that's mounted INSIDE the engine for packaging reasons, and when that water pump fails, it trashes the whole engine. . Can anyone help me out here? What are the Transverse applications of the 3.5 EB? Explorer, Flex, Taurus SHO, and some Lincolns. Yep D3/D4 platforms Eco-boost f150 is great. Definitely not as much power tundra through. The shifting calibration in my dad's F150 is a joke. It's rough and clunky and does all kinds of weird shit, especially on the interstate. That engine set up has definitely been pretty reliable up to around the 150 to 200k mark from what I've seen. My complaints around Ford are entirely around the number of issues their trucks seem to have post Covid and no solutions ever available. Transmission O-rings that leave trucks dead for six months, got a coworker with a 7.3 set up that has had half dozen recalls already? Most the Ford dealers seem to be a total joke too. I guess that's really the problem. It's not just Ford, it seems like most of the manufacturers dealers are a total joke. I've worked in several dealerships, I know what a joke dealership looks like. That's the appeal for Toyota, or at least it always has been in the past, we'll see if that continues into the future or not. Their products and their dealerships always tend to have their hat on a little bit straighter than everybody else. But who knows, the competency crisis seems to be raging in all aspects of life in the USA these days post COVID. It could be possible the glory days of Toyota are behind us. Stellantis seems to be doing stupid shit every five minutes. Ford keeps acting like Ford. I don't know what the answer is going to be here in a few years. It's going to be interesting to see if everybody sales numbers tank the next couple years due to buyer to the bullshit/ fatigue ratio. It's hard to get excited about spending $50-$100,000. When all you're going to do is invite ass ache into your life. |
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Quoted: I get that, but these threads are always filled with comments from posters who have been single brand drivers forever. They have no current ownership experiences with other brands, but they're happy to say they all suck based on their experiences from...20? 30? years ago. It's also frustrating when you own a Toyota that actually winds up being less reliable than the domestic branded vehicles you also own, which has been my experience. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: FPNI. Toyota fanboys are delusional. And I say this as a Toyota owner. Or, we’ve all bought expensive and problematic shitboxes from domestic manufacturers and when we hit upon Toyota, our lives became less shitty? I get that, but these threads are always filled with comments from posters who have been single brand drivers forever. They have no current ownership experiences with other brands, but they're happy to say they all suck based on their experiences from...20? 30? years ago. It's also frustrating when you own a Toyota that actually winds up being less reliable than the domestic branded vehicles you also own, which has been my experience. I’m that guy.  And we have owned only 2 Toyota products in the time since. And one of them was under the Geo brand from 1995. How have domestic brands improved over the last 20-30 years? If I was in the market for a relatively efficient family car or small to mid-size SUV, what domestic brands and models would you recommend for someone who might expect it to go for 200,000 - 300,000 miles without major repairs? |
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Quoted: I’m that guy. And we have owned only 2 Toyota products in the time since. And one of them was under the Geo brand from 1995. How have domestic brands improved over the last 20-30 years? If I was in the market for a relatively efficient family car or small to mid-size SUV, what domestic brands and models would you recommend for someone who might expect it to go for 200,000 - 300,000 miles without major repairs? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: FPNI. Toyota fanboys are delusional. And I say this as a Toyota owner. Or, we’ve all bought expensive and problematic shitboxes from domestic manufacturers and when we hit upon Toyota, our lives became less shitty? I get that, but these threads are always filled with comments from posters who have been single brand drivers forever. They have no current ownership experiences with other brands, but they're happy to say they all suck based on their experiences from...20? 30? years ago. It's also frustrating when you own a Toyota that actually winds up being less reliable than the domestic branded vehicles you also own, which has been my experience. I’m that guy. And we have owned only 2 Toyota products in the time since. And one of them was under the Geo brand from 1995. How have domestic brands improved over the last 20-30 years? If I was in the market for a relatively efficient family car or small to mid-size SUV, what domestic brands and models would you recommend for someone who might expect it to go for 200,000 - 300,000 miles without major repairs? The catch with this question is the question of segment. In firearms terms, most of us recognize that Ruger makes pretty good rimfire stuff, single action revolvers, and budget bolt actions, but their 9mm and larger semiauto pistols haven't been great. The P series, SR series, and American series pistols all failed to compete and stick. The same kind of logic applies to automotive companies. The Big 3 have never really been good at making efficient cars or CUVs. Hell... all three have completely abandoned the subcompact, compact, and midsize car segments while their Japanese and Korean competitors are still making money in those classes. These same companies have been much more competitive with trucks and 4x4s, and they're the only game in town if you want a muscle car or something 3/4 ton and larger. |
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Quoted: I get that, but these threads are always filled with comments from posters who have been single brand drivers forever. They have no current ownership experiences with other brands, but they're happy to say they all suck based on their experiences from...20? 30? years ago. It's also frustrating when you own a Toyota that actually winds up being less reliable than the domestic branded vehicles you also own, which has been my experience. Not so frustrating that I don't also enjoy posting stuff like this, though. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/1000021531_jpg-3277493.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/1000021528_jpg-3277495.JPG Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: FPNI. Toyota fanboys are delusional. And I say this as a Toyota owner. Or, we've all bought expensive and problematic shitboxes from domestic manufacturers and when we hit upon Toyota, our lives became less shitty? I get that, but these threads are always filled with comments from posters who have been single brand drivers forever. They have no current ownership experiences with other brands, but they're happy to say they all suck based on their experiences from...20? 30? years ago. It's also frustrating when you own a Toyota that actually winds up being less reliable than the domestic branded vehicles you also own, which has been my experience. Not so frustrating that I don't also enjoy posting stuff like this, though. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/1000021531_jpg-3277493.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/1000021528_jpg-3277495.JPG Attached File That is awesome Everyone's experience is anecdotal. Even mine, tho I have a lot more exposure to a lot more Global Product than the average bear, mostly Toyota. The fair number of work trucks in the fleets I've had - Full and midsize trucks, and fullsize and smaller vans - predominately Toyota, Ford and Chevy/GMC, tho lately Nissan Frontiers, over 25 years, has reinforced and invalidated some of my assumptions. But acq pricing combined with cost of operation over time is a clear indicator of what choices I need to make. Still a very small sample which is why I rarely make broad claims based on my personal experiences and rely more on wider measures of quality. Except cam tower leaks. That's shits happening, just a question of how early. |
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Quoted: Regarding the GM 4L60E transmissions they are fine if you do the maintenance. The problems happened when people didn’t change the fluid. Towing in overdrive also kills them. Lots of “issues” are directly caused by the owners themselves. No they are not. I’d have thousands more dollars to my net worth if GM didn’t build crap transmissions. Our trucks ate 4l60s & 4l80s. 6l90s aren’t much better. Every GM I’ve owned has crapped a trans at low miles. Well maintained and all. |
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Quoted: The catch with this question is the question of segment. In firearms terms, most of us recognize that Ruger makes pretty good rimfire stuff, single action revolvers, and budget bolt actions, but their 9mm and larger semiauto pistols haven't been great. The P series, SR series, and American series pistols all failed to compete and stick. The same kind of logic applies to automotive companies. The Big 3 have never really been good at making efficient cars or CUVs. Hell... all three have completely abandoned the subcompact, compact, and midsize car segments while their Japanese and Korean competitors are still making money in those classes. These same companies have been much more competitive with trucks and 4x4s, and they're the only game in town if you want a muscle car or something 3/4 ton and larger. They are most certainly not competitive. Tundra 4Runner GX LC LX All of those vehicles absolutely shit all over any offering from the Big 3 over the past 25+ years. Those vehicles are the best in their class. Toyota’s 4x4 issues are literally just within the last 2-3 years as they are switching over to bullshit drivetrains due to government regulations. As for the second part, they are the only game in town because 99% of the population doesn’t care about those segments. Outside of 16-21 yo boys and boomers almost nobody gives two shits about muscle cars or 3/4-1 ton trucks. |
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Quoted: Regarding the GM 4L60E transmissions they are fine if you do the maintenance. The problems happened when people didn’t change the fluid. Towing in overdrive also kills them. Lots of “issues” are directly caused by the owners themselves. 4L60E is hot garbage… That’s the biggest homer take in this thread. |
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Quoted: 4L60E is hot garbage… That’s the biggest homer take in this thread. Quoted: Quoted: Regarding the GM 4L60E transmissions they are fine if you do the maintenance. The problems happened when people didn’t change the fluid. Towing in overdrive also kills them. Lots of “issues” are directly caused by the owners themselves. 4L60E is hot garbage… That’s the biggest homer take in this thread. So they can be built to take 700 HP in a race application but they are garbage. Got it. |
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Quoted: No they are not. I’d have thousands more dollars to my net worth if GM didn’t build crap transmissions. Our trucks ate 4l60s & 4l80s. 6l90s aren’t much better. Every GM I’ve owned has crapped a trans at low miles. Well maintained and all. Ok so abused by some guy out in the field doing who knows what to a truck that isn’t his. Not to mention the 4L60E hasn’t been built in about 2 decades, but you’ve got all these fleet 4L60Es in service. 
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Quoted: So they can be built to take 700 HP in a race application but they are garbage. Got it. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Regarding the GM 4L60E transmissions they are fine if you do the maintenance. The problems happened when people didn’t change the fluid. Towing in overdrive also kills them. Lots of “issues” are directly caused by the owners themselves. 4L60E is hot garbage… That’s the biggest homer take in this thread. So they can be built to take 700 HP in a race application but they are garbage. Got it. Do they come from the factory built to take 700hp in race applications? |
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Quoted: Do they come from the factory built to take 700hp in race applications? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Regarding the GM 4L60E transmissions they are fine if you do the maintenance. The problems happened when people didn’t change the fluid. Towing in overdrive also kills them. Lots of “issues” are directly caused by the owners themselves. 4L60E is hot garbage… That’s the biggest homer take in this thread. So they can be built to take 700 HP in a race application but they are garbage. Got it. Do they come from the factory built to take 700hp in race applications? Nope. Nor does anything in a Toyoda truck. |
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Quoted: They are most certainly not competitive. Tundra 4Runner GX LC LX All of those vehicles absolutely shit all over any offering from the Big 3 over the past 25+ years. Those vehicles are the best in their class. Toyota’s 4x4 issues are literally just within the last 2-3 years as they are switching over to bullshit drivetrains due to government regulations. As for the second part, they are the only game in town because 99% of the population doesn’t care about those segments. Outside of 16-21 yo boys and boomers almost nobody gives two shits about muscle cars or 3/4-1 ton trucks. Quoted: Quoted: The catch with this question is the question of segment. In firearms terms, most of us recognize that Ruger makes pretty good rimfire stuff, single action revolvers, and budget bolt actions, but their 9mm and larger semiauto pistols haven't been great. The P series, SR series, and American series pistols all failed to compete and stick. The same kind of logic applies to automotive companies. The Big 3 have never really been good at making efficient cars or CUVs. Hell... all three have completely abandoned the subcompact, compact, and midsize car segments while their Japanese and Korean competitors are still making money in those classes. These same companies have been much more competitive with trucks and 4x4s, and they're the only game in town if you want a muscle car or something 3/4 ton and larger. They are most certainly not competitive. Tundra 4Runner GX LC LX All of those vehicles absolutely shit all over any offering from the Big 3 over the past 25+ years. Those vehicles are the best in their class. Toyota’s 4x4 issues are literally just within the last 2-3 years as they are switching over to bullshit drivetrains due to government regulations. As for the second part, they are the only game in town because 99% of the population doesn’t care about those segments. Outside of 16-21 yo boys and boomers almost nobody gives two shits about muscle cars or 3/4-1 ton trucks. I'm not sure about all that. The LC/LX don't/didn't really have direct competitors from the Big 3. Sure, they're cool, but these were $90k+ vehicles at a time when similarly equipped Suburbans could be driven off the lot under $60k. GX is similar. I don't know what Big 3 product we're supposed to compare that to unless we're getting weird with the Lincoln Aviator or something. 4Runner depends on the time period. If we're comparing older 4Runners vs the old body on frame Blazers and Explorers, yeah... the 4Runner is way ahead. In more recent times, you're comparing the 4Runner to... the JKU/JLU? It's kind of apples to oranges. The Tundra was very reliable, but that's its ONLY redeeming quality. The payload capacity is a bad joke that can't even hang with the midsize class, and the price tag and fuel consumption means it costs as much to buy and operate as a Super Duty. Tech and safety have also lagged the competition. Your take on 3/4 ton trucks is particularly bad. I don't know what kind of setting you live in, but they're everywhere here, and for pretty good reason. |
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Quoted: Sample size is small, but so far, the Taco has had a weird mix of drivetrain issues. Examples include the transfer case, the manual transmission, the rear main seal, and I think there are some axle issue. The best bet in the midsize truck class right now is the Frontier. I bought a 23 Tacoma as it was the last year of the gen 3. The Gen 4 has too much untested bullshit and gizmos IMO. |
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Quoted: They are most certainly not competitive. Tundra 4Runner GX LC LX All of those vehicles absolutely shit all over any offering from the Big 3 over the past 25+ years. Those vehicles are the best in their class. Toyota’s 4x4 issues are literally just within the last 2-3 years as they are switching over to bullshit drivetrains due to government regulations. As for the second part, they are the only game in town because 99% of the population doesn’t care about those segments. Outside of 16-21 yo boys and boomers almost nobody gives two shits about muscle cars or 3/4-1 ton trucks. Quoted: Quoted: The catch with this question is the question of segment. In firearms terms, most of us recognize that Ruger makes pretty good rimfire stuff, single action revolvers, and budget bolt actions, but their 9mm and larger semiauto pistols haven't been great. The P series, SR series, and American series pistols all failed to compete and stick. The same kind of logic applies to automotive companies. The Big 3 have never really been good at making efficient cars or CUVs. Hell... all three have completely abandoned the subcompact, compact, and midsize car segments while their Japanese and Korean competitors are still making money in those classes. These same companies have been much more competitive with trucks and 4x4s, and they're the only game in town if you want a muscle car or something 3/4 ton and larger. They are most certainly not competitive. Tundra 4Runner GX LC LX All of those vehicles absolutely shit all over any offering from the Big 3 over the past 25+ years. Those vehicles are the best in their class. Toyota’s 4x4 issues are literally just within the last 2-3 years as they are switching over to bullshit drivetrains due to government regulations. As for the second part, they are the only game in town because 99% of the population doesn’t care about those segments. Outside of 16-21 yo boys and boomers almost nobody gives two shits about muscle cars or 3/4-1 ton trucks. I disagree on the Tundra. Yes, it's a great truck, current generation engine issues aside, but sales volume tells you it does NOT shit all over everyone else. You can anecdotally say its better, and it may even have better reliability scores depending on where you look, but ultimately people choose someone else most of the time in the full size market. Tacoma is a whole different beast and would be a much better example regarding market domination. Though they have their issues too. The more important thing to note here is the "in their class" statement. Because the Big 3 don't compete in those classes. The Big 3 don't make a 4R competitor. Period. Nor a GX. Nor an LC. LX... yeah, thats a better comparison. I'd certainly take it over an Escalade or Grand Wagoneer. Point being, most of those thrive in areas the Big3 don't even compete. Much better examples would be a Rav4 or Highlander, which go head to head and pretty much crush Big3 competition in an apples to apples comparison. Though I will say in some ways the Big 3 have gotten better. Some of their new offerings are pretty damn good. We just don't know the reliability behind them. Though at this point, Toyota seems to be racing to meet them at the bottom. I will say that even if they've made some stinkers, and the new Tacomas seem to be having a lot of trans issues, piling on to this shit show, at least you know Toyota will take care of you rather than try to sweep you under the rug and say "What problem?" As the Big 3 are often want to do. |
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Quoted: I think they are brand new engines............. Quoted: Quoted: They’re replacing with a rebuilt engine. It’s more efficient compared to having a tech who has never rebuilt an engine give it the good ole college try. I think they are brand new engines............. lol no. What’s the cheapest route? There ya go. That’s how they’ll do it. |
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Quoted: lol no. What’s the cheapest route? There ya go. That’s how they’ll do it. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They’re replacing with a rebuilt engine. It’s more efficient compared to having a tech who has never rebuilt an engine give it the good ole college try. I think they are brand new engines............. lol no. What’s the cheapest route? There ya go. That’s how they’ll do it. What part of ''replace engines with new ones'' don't you understand? |
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Quoted: What part of ''replace engines with new ones'' don't you understand? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They’re replacing with a rebuilt engine. It’s more efficient compared to having a tech who has never rebuilt an engine give it the good ole college try. I think they are brand new engines............. lol no. What’s the cheapest route? There ya go. That’s how they’ll do it. What part of ''replace engines with new ones'' don't you understand? Are they doing short blocks or long blocks? In a world where seemingly any sort of service industry gets worse and the engines get even more complicated, I don’t trust the average guy to put a set of heads on and actually do it correctly. |
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Quoted: Ok so abused by some guy out in the field doing who knows what to a truck that isn’t his. Not to mention the 4L60E hasn’t been built in about 2 decades, but you’ve got all these fleet 4L60Es in service. Quoted: Quoted: No they are not. I’d have thousands more dollars to my net worth if GM didn’t build crap transmissions. Our trucks ate 4l60s & 4l80s. 6l90s aren’t much better. Every GM I’ve owned has crapped a trans at low miles. Well maintained and all. Ok so abused by some guy out in the field doing who knows what to a truck that isn’t his. Not to mention the 4L60E hasn’t been built in about 2 decades, but you’ve got all these fleet 4L60Es in service. Found the Chevy zealot. 4L60E was used in Chevy Vans up until 2013. Is 11 years = 2 decades? |
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Quoted: Are they doing short blocks or long blocks? In a world where seemingly any sort of service industry gets worse and the engines get even more complicated, I don’t trust the average guy to put a set of heads on and actually do it correctly. Considering the fact that metal/damage could be thru the entire engine and turbo assy's, I'm betting they are complete engines. |
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Quoted: Found the Chevy zealot. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No they are not. I’d have thousands more dollars to my net worth if GM didn’t build crap transmissions. Our trucks ate 4l60s & 4l80s. 6l90s aren’t much better. Every GM I’ve owned has crapped a trans at low miles. Well maintained and all. Ok so abused by some guy out in the field doing who knows what to a truck that isn’t his. Not to mention the 4L60E hasn’t been built in about 2 decades, but you’ve got all these fleet 4L60Es in service. Found the Chevy zealot. Somebody has to balance out the bullshit that gets posted here. |
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Quoted: Somebody has to balance out the bullshit that gets posted here. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No they are not. I’d have thousands more dollars to my net worth if GM didn’t build crap transmissions. Our trucks ate 4l60s & 4l80s. 6l90s aren’t much better. Every GM I’ve owned has crapped a trans at low miles. Well maintained and all. Ok so abused by some guy out in the field doing who knows what to a truck that isn’t his. Not to mention the 4L60E hasn’t been built in about 2 decades, but you’ve got all these fleet 4L60Es in service. Found the Chevy zealot. Somebody has to balance out the bullshit that gets posted here. Like your "2 decades" comment? |
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Quoted: Toyota never was what their fan boys made them out to be. Attached File |
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Quoted: They are but gov intervention is what it boils down to. Gov wants certain mpg’s so they had to stray away from what they knew to new tech. I mean the 4.0 was going on 20 years since it came out and the v8’s too. exactly this. Government restrictions have ruined just about every gas powered vehicle sold in the US except maybe the sub-compact market. Same thing with diesel engines and the bull shit ULSD regulations. All while mexican truckers drive right over the border with regular diesel trucks and zero DOT inspections and put American truckers out of business. It's almost like politicians have skin in the EV game or something I could see Toyota pulling the Tundra sized vehicles in the US, and going back with the bullet proof 4cyl line up |
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Quoted: I had a 7.3 diesel with over 500,000 on it the new owner is still driving it to my knowledge. All Ford products and not a single one needed a frame replacement unlike many Toyota trucks. gee wiz, you ever wonder why Ford stopped selling the 7.3 in the United States |
| Previous Toyota owner - we owned a Sienna minivan. Bought it brand new, preformed all service on time. The fucking engine started leaking oil from the timing cover at 75,000 miles, which is a KNOWN issue for the engines that are used in multiple vehicles. The only fix is to PULL THE FUCKING ENGINE to reseal it, for $3500. The sliding door also had known issues that prompted a class action lawsuit as well. Fuck Toyota. |
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Quoted: Previous Toyota owner - we owned a Sienna minivan. Bought it brand new, preformed all service on time. The fucking engine started leaking oil from the timing cover at 75,000 miles, which is a KNOWN issue for the engines that are used in multiple vehicles. The only fix is to PULL THE FUCKING ENGINE to reseal it, for $3500. The sliding door also had known issues that prompted a class action lawsuit as well. Fuck Toyota. What have you owned since? |
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Quoted: Like your "2 decades" comment? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No they are not. I’d have thousands more dollars to my net worth if GM didn’t build crap transmissions. Our trucks ate 4l60s & 4l80s. 6l90s aren’t much better. Every GM I’ve owned has crapped a trans at low miles. Well maintained and all. Ok so abused by some guy out in the field doing who knows what to a truck that isn’t his. Not to mention the 4L60E hasn’t been built in about 2 decades, but you’ve got all these fleet 4L60Es in service. Found the Chevy zealot. Somebody has to balance out the bullshit that gets posted here. Like your "2 decades" comment? The 6L80E came out in 2005, 19 years ago. But you knew that didn’t you professor? https://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/transmissions/automatic/6l80/ |
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Quoted: Previous Toyota owner - we owned a Sienna minivan. Bought it brand new, preformed all service on time. The fucking engine started leaking oil from the timing cover at 75,000 miles, which is a KNOWN issue for the engines that are used in multiple vehicles. The only fix is to PULL THE FUCKING ENGINE to reseal it, for $3500. The sliding door also had known issues that prompted a class action lawsuit as well. Fuck Toyota. It's a thing on some GR V6. Tho let's do Ford 3.5/3.7 Waterpumps, GM 3.6 timing chains, or Pentastar Head or Rocker Arm issues. Fuck Everyone. <shrug> |
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Quoted: Ok so abused by some guy out in the field doing who knows what to a truck that isn’t his. Not to mention the 4L60E hasn’t been built in about 2 decades, but you’ve got all these fleet 4L60Es in service. Quoted: Quoted: No they are not. I’d have thousands more dollars to my net worth if GM didn’t build crap transmissions. Our trucks ate 4l60s & 4l80s. 6l90s aren’t much better. Every GM I’ve owned has crapped a trans at low miles. Well maintained and all. Ok so abused by some guy out in the field doing who knows what to a truck that isn’t his. Not to mention the 4L60E hasn’t been built in about 2 decades, but you’ve got all these fleet 4L60Es in service. No matter how much you don’t like it, 4l60s, along with most GM transmissions, are trash. |
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Quoted: The new Tundras and Tacomas are awful. I hate to see this, but unfortunately it seems to be true. I am on my second 5.7 Tundra and my son still drives my 08 Tundra. It has 185k miles without issues. I have about 85k. I plan to drive my current 2018 Tundra until the wheels fall off, but at this point I have no idea what I will one day replace it with. Certainly not a turbo 4cyl I tow a 6k boat from time to time and really don't need a 3/4 or 1 ton. And a smaller truck wouldn't handle it either. I am stuck in the full size 1/2 ton market, and up until now Tundra has been the best in that category. |
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Quoted: No matter how much you don’t like it, 4l60s, along with most GM transmissions, are trash. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No they are not. I’d have thousands more dollars to my net worth if GM didn’t build crap transmissions. Our trucks ate 4l60s & 4l80s. 6l90s aren’t much better. Every GM I’ve owned has crapped a trans at low miles. Well maintained and all. Ok so abused by some guy out in the field doing who knows what to a truck that isn’t his. Not to mention the 4L60E hasn’t been built in about 2 decades, but you’ve got all these fleet 4L60Es in service. No matter how much you don’t like it, 4l60s, along with most GM transmissions, are trash. Yet I’ve taken two of them north of 200k miles without a problem. |
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Quoted: The 6L80E came out in 2005, 19 years ago. But you knew that didn’t you professor? https://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/transmissions/automatic/6l80/ Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No they are not. I’d have thousands more dollars to my net worth if GM didn’t build crap transmissions. Our trucks ate 4l60s & 4l80s. 6l90s aren’t much better. Every GM I’ve owned has crapped a trans at low miles. Well maintained and all. Ok so abused by some guy out in the field doing who knows what to a truck that isn’t his. Not to mention the 4L60E hasn’t been built in about 2 decades, but you’ve got all these fleet 4L60Es in service. Found the Chevy zealot. Somebody has to balance out the bullshit that gets posted here. Like your "2 decades" comment? The 6L80E came out in 2005, 19 years ago. But you knew that didn’t you professor? https://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/transmissions/automatic/6l80/ Oh, you keep digging the hole. 
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Quoted: Wouldn't the Sequoia be impacted by this too? Hybrid. They are impacted but they weren't recalled due to a lower concern about unsafe failure - ie insta-lock. The i-Force MAX Tundra, Seqouia have seen failures. Almost certain they will be recalled or programmed as soon as the Tundra and LX are supplied. There's been reports of J300 (GCC market) and LS 500 failures as well, from similar production dates the recall bracketed. Be interesting to see how those are covered. |
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