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1/21/2020 9:40:59 PM EDT
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The Washington patient, was he symptomatic and contagious on the aircraft? Seems a whole bunch of people probably caught their connecting flights after exposure. It likely won’t be limited to Washington for long.
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The most important question so far.
1/21/2020 9:47:18 PM EDT
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I should play Pandemic II again sometime.
1/21/2020 10:03:32 PM EDT
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The most important question so far.
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The Washington patient, was he symptomatic and contagious on the aircraft? Seems a whole bunch of people probably caught their connecting flights after exposure. It likely won’t be limited to Washington for long.
The most important question so far.
Initial patient might have infected the whole plane(from China) but unlikely the rest of the plane was contagious for their connecting flights. id assume an incubation period of some sort.

Additionally we are heading into Chinese new year. They don't do family Christmas like we do in the US, but EVERYBODY gathers for Chinese new year. So one person on plane/train/bus going to family homestead in rural village place XYZ. then 2 days later they are back on a 747 headed for LAX, SEA, SYD, ect.
1/21/2020 10:05:37 PM EDT
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This is a brand-new, never before seen virus. Nobody has a vaccine yet. There isn't even a treatment.
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Well I'm scared now.
1/21/2020 10:07:37 PM EDT
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The democrats will somehow find a way to blame Trump for this.
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New trade deal?
1/21/2020 10:22:36 PM EDT
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I remember the Ebola tards and all the SHTF circle jerk threads years ago...here is to more entertainment from that crowd.  It’s got to be exhausting to constantly think the sky is falling.
1/21/2020 10:25:52 PM EDT
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I remember the Ebola tards and all the SHTF circle jerk threads years ago...here is to more entertainment from that crowd.  It's got to be exhausting to constantly think the sky is falling.
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But PANIC!
1/21/2020 10:32:25 PM EDT
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1/21/2020 10:37:33 PM EDT
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"Six people have died from the virus and 291 have been infected in China"

China has over a billion people.
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The Chinese are the Frito Lay chips of humanity: They'll make more.
1/21/2020 10:43:28 PM EDT
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So don't let air lines come to America...
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Seems simple enough.
1/21/2020 10:54:08 PM EDT
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The most important question so far.
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No, he had no symptoms when he got off the plane.
1/21/2020 10:59:13 PM EDT
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I'm currently reading Executive Order by Tom Clancy and it feels like the book was written today not 20+ years ago.
1/21/2020 11:09:16 PM EDT
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Could...the influenza virus could mutate into a super lethal virus at any given time...could
1/21/2020 11:10:11 PM EDT
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Could...the influenza could mutate into a super lethal virus at any given time...could
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Yeah that's pretty clickbaity
1/21/2020 11:30:18 PM EDT
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Could...the influenza virus could mutate into a super lethal virus at any given time...could
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Could...the influenza virus could mutate into a super lethal virus at any given time...could
But if the chinese govt is saying that, it means they probably know it already has.

This is the same govt that hid the SARS virus from the world until they could not hide it anymore
1/21/2020 11:40:40 PM EDT
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But if the chinese govt is saying that, it means they probably know it already has.

This is the same govt that hid the SARS virus from the world until they could not hide it anymore
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Could...the influenza virus could mutate into a super lethal virus at any given time...could
But if the chinese govt is saying that, it means they probably know it already has.

This is the same govt that hid the SARS virus from the world until they could not hide it anymore
From the video clips it looks like their medical teams are using a significant level of PPE. If that’s how they’re responding then either they’re being extra cautious or they’ve been working it for awhile.
1/21/2020 11:44:49 PM EDT
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From the video clips it looks like their medical teams are using a significant level of PPE. If that’s how they’re responding then either they’re being extra cautious or they’ve been working it for awhile.
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In their RELEASED pix...
1/21/2020 11:49:41 PM EDT
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News reports here revealed officials are not saying what local clinic he walked into initially and got tested prior to being transported to the hospital quarantine. No telling how many more may have been exposed.

"Last night, the Snohomish Health District coordinated with local partners to safely transport the patient to Providence Regional Medical Center in Everett. This is all being done following our jointly developed infectious disease protocols. No one wants to be the first in the nation in these types of situations, but these are the types of situations that public health and its partners train and prepare for. Because of this, everything has been going along quite smoothly," said Dr. Chris Spitters, Health Officer, Snohomish Health District.
The assclown Inslee had the audacity to laugh it off as minor risk at his press conference.
1/22/2020 12:19:28 AM EDT
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Providence Regional Medical Center in Everett

Just blocks from my house
1/22/2020 12:21:54 AM EDT
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And big pharma has their instant miracle vaccine ready in 3,2,1...
1/22/2020 12:36:57 AM EDT
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it is new ( large mutation ) and nobody has any immunity to it.

A novel virus with a 2% + mortality rate that spreads as easily as the common cold is a big deal
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We have no idea if it’s actually 2% with a sample size as small as it is at this given time.
1/22/2020 12:43:35 AM EDT
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Eventually the world's population will need a check, and mother nature will provide it
It's probably gonna be bad when it happens
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The 1918 'Spanish flu' pandemic was estimated to have killed between 3-6% of the world's human population.

It's really only a matter of time before another pathogen like that hits us.
1/22/2020 12:50:29 AM EDT
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Eventually the world's population will need a check, and mother nature will provide it
It's probably gonna be bad when it happens
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I believe this to be true as well. And whatever it is is going to totally fucking suck for who’s ever around when it happens
1/22/2020 12:53:44 AM EDT
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This is how it starts.
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That's exactly what I thought. What a coincidence when it comes during the cold/flu season when so many are already weakened. And it made the leap to human transmission so fast, almost like it was engineered to do so. This could be the big one - I sure hope not. So we might wonder who's behind it - Chicoms, aliens, jihadists...
I guess we'll know in about 60 days if its going to be a problem. Meanwhile don't read 'The Stand'. :)
1/22/2020 12:54:05 AM EDT
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We have no idea if it’s actually 2% with a sample size as small as it is at this given time.
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Thank you.  The “2%” shit was driving me nuts.
1/22/2020 12:54:10 AM EDT
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dupe
1/22/2020 12:55:52 AM EDT
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But if the chinese govt is saying that, it means they probably know it already has.

This is the same govt that hid the SARS virus from the world until they could not hide it anymore
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So are we picking and choosing when and where we take the Chinese word for things or do you always believe the Chinese?
1/22/2020 1:00:14 AM EDT
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It is spread by human excretion. Don't let any cough on you and stop touching stuff.
1/22/2020 1:21:59 AM EDT
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I remember the Ebola tards and all the SHTF circle jerk threads years ago...here is to more entertainment from that crowd.  It’s got to be exhausting to constantly think the sky is falling.
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Yeah, that was the first thing that came to mind.

34,000 people died from influenza in the US last year and you guys are worked up over this?
1/22/2020 1:38:22 AM EDT
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Dr. Niman says the death rate is higher than SARS.

Happy Lunar New Year and week off to travel and see family.

"Like many major holidays, Lunar New Year is best spent with family and friends. The tradition is so crucial that LNY travel is annually heralded as the ‘world’s largest human migration’. In 2019, 3 billion trips were projected to be made during the holiday season."
1/22/2020 1:54:11 AM EDT
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"Six people have died from the virus and 291 have been infected in China"

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And when has a communist country been known to give accurate numbers with regard to negative news?  Bet it’s waaaay more deaths
1/22/2020 2:29:26 AM EDT
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And when has a communist country been known to give accurate numbers with regard to negative news?  Bet it’s waaaay more deaths
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Way more deaths due to what?  Corrupt medical professionals that didn’t treat people because they were not bribed? Factory or agricultural workers exposed to chemicals and substances  that make people sick for most of their lives?
Let’s see this virus hit a western medical system before going full retard.
1/22/2020 2:49:14 AM EDT
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From the video clips it looks like their medical teams are using a significant level of PPE. If that’s how they’re responding then either they’re being extra cautious or they’ve been working it for awhile.
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Word is that despite the precautions a good number of them have fallen ill to it.
1/22/2020 3:06:13 AM EDT
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Word is that despite the precautions a good number of them have fallen ill to it.
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In a past role I worked with some NGOs and state level officials to do pandemic modeling. The thing that a lot of folks don't think about is that healthcare workers, police, firefighters, ems, and other first responders not only get sick too....but are often among the first to get sick. Not only does a population get overtaken by disease...all the people that most Americans just take for granted as being there to save them are sick and dying already. And if they aren't sick, they are watching their coworkers, friends, and family get sick and die....making them less effective at their jobs. A pandemic is a no joke endgame.

I did all kinds of modeling of every type of disaster scenario you can dream up...with OEM officials from the municipal to the federal level. For almost anything we concocted, their was always some form of command and control that we came up with to respond to the situation.  When we did pandemics, I basically told everyone that there is no realistic response plan....we are all dead.
1/22/2020 3:15:08 AM EDT
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I would bet money the ACTUAL number of cases is many times the known cases. Most people, if they're not VERY sick, aren't going to the hospital so those cases will never be known.
1/22/2020 3:34:32 AM EDT
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Yeah, that was the first thing that came to mind.

34,000 people died from influenza in the US last year and you guys are worked up over this?
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Your post is reassuring!

Please do more of them...

1/22/2020 3:37:17 AM EDT
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China News Service, January 21st, Beijing Municipal Health and Health Commission's official Weibo informed today that 5 new cases of pneumonia caused by a new coronavirus have been added to Beijing. As of 18:00 on January 21, a total of 10 cases of pneumonia of new coronavirus infection were confirmed in Beijing, including 1 in Xicheng District, 2 in Haidian District, 1 in Fengtai District, 1 in Tongzhou District, 2 in Daxing District, and Changping District. 2 cases, 1 case came from Wuhan.

http://recombinomics.co/topic/4425-five-new-confirmed-ncov-cases-in-beijing-ex-wuhan/
1/22/2020 3:40:11 AM EDT
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Great... Where in Washington State??
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homeless camps probably.
1/22/2020 3:44:58 AM EDT
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Word is that despite the precautions a good number of them have fallen ill to it.
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Link from 7 hours ago on your subject.

http://recombinomics.co/topic/4434-20-health-care-workers-and-national-health-commission-members-ncov-infected/

Seems highly contagious.
1/22/2020 3:54:23 AM EDT
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Part and parcel of unfettered immigration.
1/22/2020 5:09:44 AM EDT
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That said, it is a crapshoot if government would allow such a thing. I could see them going door to door, rousting both sick and well people from their homes and putting them in one place "for safety".
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That's the opposite of what the gov would do. It's pretty much the worst idea. You don't know who is contagious but not symptomatic.

Look at 1917 Influenza if you want to see how things play out with draconian public health measures during a pandemic.

They weren't rounding people up.

Quarantines, travel bans, prohibitions on public gatherings, closing public venues, theaters, etc...
1/22/2020 5:21:52 AM EDT
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The things that are bothering me:

Detection to over 440 confirmed cases (many more unconfirmed) in 3 weeks despite IC and PH... yay transparency, sequencing, and getting the PCR test available... BUT...

Incubation time is unknown? Has to be relatively short.
AND/OR
R(0) is unknown? Has to be pretty damned high.

1 week incubation and R(0) greater than 7 just to throw out basic numbers... (ie shorter incubation and more contagious than SARS/MERS... WAY more contagious than the flu)

How long are patients contagious without being symptomatic?

CDC is advising airborne and contact precautions. So I mask the patient, put them in AIIR, and have everyone wear gowns, gloves, and PAPRs... only 25% of my ICU rooms are AIIR and that is a higher rate than most facilities. And why are the Chinese wearing full suits and containment stretchers like it's fucking Ebola?

20+ sick healthcare workers for 400+ confirmed cases...
1/22/2020 7:51:54 AM EDT
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From the video clips it looks like their medical teams are using a significant level of PPE. If that’s how they’re responding then either they’re being extra cautious or they’ve been working it for awhile.
In their RELEASED pix...
Something is not right about those videos.

Why so many healthcare workers in full PPE?
There are dozens in the same room, with other people just walking around that are not in PPE.

Something is not right about that.
1/22/2020 7:54:53 AM EDT
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We have no idea if it’s actually 2% with a sample size as small as it is at this given time.
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it is new ( large mutation ) and nobody has any immunity to it.

A novel virus with a 2% + mortality rate that spreads as easily as the common cold is a big deal
We have no idea if it’s actually 2% with a sample size as small as it is at this given time.
You are right. It could be much larger as time goes on and hospital vents get all used and lots don't get a vent. Plus in could take 2 weeks to die and lots of people are not at the death point yet.

Or it could be a lot less with many infections that are unknown because they are not that sick and don't go to the hospital.

It is too early to tell.
1/22/2020 7:58:38 AM EDT
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So are we picking and choosing when and where we take the Chinese word for things or do you always believe the Chinese?
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But if the chinese govt is saying that, it means they probably know it already has.

This is the same govt that hid the SARS virus from the world until they could not hide it anymore
So are we picking and choosing when and where we take the Chinese word for things or do you always believe the Chinese?
Historically, they have always downplayed outbreaks, until they could not.

They did it with H1N1, H5N1 and with SARS.

SO not sure what you are getting at. When did the chinese ever tell the world about the truth about anything?
1/22/2020 7:58:41 AM EDT
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BS news for a slow news cycle. Talking heads want you to tune in.
1/22/2020 8:01:07 AM EDT
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I thought Corona was just shit beer, now it's a virus?
1/22/2020 8:02:13 AM EDT
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I could fart and kill 50 people in China.
1/22/2020 8:03:19 AM EDT
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And the stock market falls 150 points..derp
1/22/2020 9:25:54 AM EDT
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Only 6 deaths in shit hole overpopulated China.

Meh, those are rookie numbers, contact me when/if it's score improves...

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