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1/21/2020 5:57:08 PM EDT
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Very doubtful. Any microbe weaponized would have more people killed.
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Germ warfare?  
Very doubtful. Any microbe weaponized would have more people killed.
Not really. Strategic biowarfare focuses on disrupting and discomfitting the enemy population en masse. An exceptionally contagious virus would accomplish this. Large numbers of sickened, weakened people would be a legitimate goal, especially if you are fighting on a primarily economic field (like we are right now). Why kill your (future) economic slaves?
1/21/2020 5:59:43 PM EDT
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What's that...like a 2.74% mortality rate? That's pretty scary.

3 deaths per 100 infections? So...if this thing gets loose in the US and infects 3% of out population...that's like 31,500,000 dead.  
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I take it you weren't a math major.
1/21/2020 5:59:48 PM EDT
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Where there's one ...
1/21/2020 6:01:59 PM EDT
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I'd say escalators in China claim more victims daily than this virus has, total.
1/21/2020 6:03:48 PM EDT
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I take it you weren't a math major.
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What's that...like a 2.74% mortality rate? That's pretty scary.

3 deaths per 100 infections? So...if this thing gets loose in the US and infects 3% of out population...that's like 31,500,000 dead.  
I take it you weren't a math major.
Probably works for CNN.
1/21/2020 6:04:22 PM EDT
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1/21/2020 6:10:08 PM EDT
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CDC must need money for company picnic.  Everytime they get everyone stired up congress gives them more money.
1/21/2020 6:13:56 PM EDT
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This is what happens when you don't quarantine.

Most cops didn't know it, but the Director of Public Health has one awesome power cops don't have: quarantine.  Close the bridges, roads, subway and airport.
1/21/2020 6:14:17 PM EDT
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Fixed it. I originally neglected to include the 6 dead with the 291 infected.

It was all downhill from there.
1/21/2020 6:26:30 PM EDT
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Shut down everything
1/21/2020 6:29:39 PM EDT
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On Tuesday, China’s National Health Commission announced that it had received 291 confirmed cases of the Wuhan coronavirus, with 77 new cases reported on January 20.

According to the National Health Commission, patients have been identified as having the virus in Hubei province — where Wuhan is located (270 cases); Beijing (five cases); Guangdong province (14 cases); and Shanghai (two cases). Suspected cases have also been reported in Yunnan, Sichuan, Guangxi and Shandong provinces.

The death toll rose to six Tuesday evening, after the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission confirmed that a 66-year-old male and a 48-year-old female died on January 20.

It added that 60 new cases were confirmed by the end of Monday in Wuhan city, where a 15-year-old is the youngest to be infected.

Confirmed case in Taiwan

Beyond China, the outbreak has so far spread as far as Thailand, Japan and South Korea. Taiwan discovered the island’s first case at Taoyuan International Airport, Taiwan’s Center for Disease Control said Tuesday.

Excerpt: https://q13fox.com/2020/01/21/6-people-dead-almost-300-infected-as-china-confirms-wuhan-virus-can-be-spread-by-humans/
1/21/2020 6:47:14 PM EDT
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On Tuesday, China’s National Health Commission announced that it had received 291 confirmed cases of the Wuhan coronavirus, with 77 new cases reported on January 20.

According to the National Health Commission, patients have been identified as having the virus in Hubei province — where Wuhan is located (270 cases); Beijing (five cases); Guangdong province (14 cases); and Shanghai (two cases). Suspected cases have also been reported in Yunnan, Sichuan, Guangxi and Shandong provinces.

The death toll rose to six Tuesday evening, after the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission confirmed that a 66-year-old male and a 48-year-old female died on January 20.

It added that 60 new cases were confirmed by the end of Monday in Wuhan city, where a 15-year-old is the youngest to be infected.

Confirmed case in Taiwan

Beyond China, the outbreak has so far spread as far as Thailand, Japan and South Korea. Taiwan discovered the island’s first case at Taoyuan International Airport, Taiwan’s Center for Disease Control said Tuesday.

Excerpt: https://q13fox.com/2020/01/21/6-people-dead-almost-300-infected-as-china-confirms-wuhan-virus-can-be-spread-by-humans/
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This is worth keeping an eye on.
And presents an opportunity/excuse to doublecheck our preps.
While most of the reason behind us being prepared is earthquakes (most likely natural disaster here in CA), some of it is to give us the ability to self isolate should something like this really take hold.
Shut the driveway gate, slap a padlock on it and lay low until the coast is clear.

Wife works from home, I own my own business and can push jobs off so we can stay out of circulation for a while if conditions warrant it.

That said, it is a crapshoot if government would allow such a thing. I could see them going door to door, rousting both sick and well people from their homes and putting them in one place "for safety".
1/21/2020 6:49:59 PM EDT
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M-O-O-N!  That spells quarantine!
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iunderstoodthatreference.jpeg, Tom!
1/21/2020 6:53:55 PM EDT
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It was just a matter of time I guess. Hope this isn't the omen of bad things to come in 2020
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You are an omen of bad things to come.
1/21/2020 6:54:12 PM EDT
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Very doubtful. Any microbe weaponized would have more people killed.
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Germ warfare?  
Very doubtful. Any microbe weaponized would have more people killed.
I have seen some speculation/conspiracy theories that this person was intentionally infected by the Chinese government as a test to see how the US handles such a virus.
1/21/2020 6:55:33 PM EDT
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Another media "epidemic" where they hype something up and then you never hear about it again.

Like Swine/h1n1 flu, Avian flu, SARS, African ebola, and every other overhyped illness that saturates our media for a few weeks until another big news story takes it's place and we forget about it again.
1/21/2020 6:58:09 PM EDT
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This one is in my back yard
1/21/2020 6:59:35 PM EDT
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6 people died,whoopdy doo

1/21/2020 7:03:42 PM EDT
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Fixed it. I originally neglected to include the 6 dead with the 291 infected.

It was all downhill from there.
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1/21/2020 7:06:53 PM EDT
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This one is in my back yard
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Yup. But let's be real.. you know a virus originating in Asia was going to come stateside in Seattle or Vancouver.
1/21/2020 7:08:09 PM EDT
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we watched the news on the virus, and then wife put the Contagin movie on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will be watching up dates closely
1/21/2020 7:09:32 PM EDT
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Yup. But let's be real.. you know a virus originating in Asia was going to come stateside in Seattle or Vancouver.
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Truth

But first U.S. patient zero in my backyard

Do I get a prize?
1/21/2020 7:15:20 PM EDT
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Only six deaths so far. That seems a bit radical. We have thousands die from the flu annually.
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So don't let air lines come to America...
Only six deaths so far. That seems a bit radical. We have thousands die from the flu annually.
it is 2%.

Most of the people that die from seasonal flu are very young, very old, or have immune issues.

The people that die from novel virus are healthy with a strong immune system
1/21/2020 7:18:18 PM EDT
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I love it when some killer virus kills a tiny amount of people yet panic ensues.  Does big Phrama have a vaccine ready to go yet?
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Yes but they are still tweaking the virus for maximum impact before releasing the vaccine.
1/21/2020 7:19:25 PM EDT
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Yikes, God forbid we quarantine.
1/21/2020 7:21:01 PM EDT
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Wake me up when large earth-moving equipment is needed to dispose of the bodies.
1/21/2020 7:28:20 PM EDT
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Gun registration and bans are the most effective way to spend finite LE/public health and safety tax dollars in all blue states.

Fetanyl, impaired drivers and medieval disease outbreaks are nothing but conspiracy theories.
1/21/2020 7:28:47 PM EDT
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And here we go.
1/21/2020 7:41:46 PM EDT
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But does it have the MSGs?
1/21/2020 7:49:34 PM EDT
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"Six people have died from the virus and 291 have been infected in China"

China has over a billion people.
2% death rate
Yes, I think many don’t understand what an airborne virus that kills 2% might mean.*

*and I am not some crazed hypochondriac
1/21/2020 7:56:40 PM EDT
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Wake me up when it kills thousands a day like heart disease and cancer.  Yawn.
1/21/2020 8:05:41 PM EDT
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Sure hope you got your flu vaccine.
1/21/2020 8:07:20 PM EDT
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This is a brand-new, never before seen virus. Nobody has a vaccine yet. There isn't even a treatment.
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Corona viruses are common, there have been livestock vaccines for 20 years, what makes this one "novel".
1/21/2020 8:08:42 PM EDT
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Waiting to be warlord of my area

1/21/2020 8:12:57 PM EDT
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It killed 6 people in all of China?  Wow, it wiped out 0.0000004% of  their population. Panic!
1/21/2020 8:15:03 PM EDT
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Quick! Panic! We're all gonna die!
1/21/2020 8:16:15 PM EDT
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They have cried wolf so many times now it has lost its impact.
1/21/2020 8:16:35 PM EDT
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This only started a few weeks ago. That’s a 2% kill rate with medical systems not overloaded.

That could equal 6,000,000 dead in the US. This deserves attention.
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"Six people have died from the virus and 291 have been infected in China"

China has over a billion people.
This only started a few weeks ago. That’s a 2% kill rate with medical systems not overloaded.

That could equal 6,000,000 dead in the US. This deserves attention.
exactly

20% needing ICU

that will overwhelm hospitals very quickly. Then people start dying in big numbers.
1/21/2020 8:18:25 PM EDT
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Reckon it's a good thing the Dr. talked me into a Pneumonia shot today... I told her I rather have a shot of Whisky.
Makes me wonder if she already knew about the dead guy????? This is in my backyard as well.
1/21/2020 8:19:55 PM EDT
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As I understand it there were only 6 types/strains of this that were transmittable to humans. This one is apparently number 7. Apparently this one is starting out like the SARS virus but may or may not have a higher mortality rate at around 3%; it's too soon to tell with the numbers.

Beyond that I don't know much and could be completely wrong about what I just posted.
1/21/2020 8:20:57 PM EDT
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God damnit..
1/21/2020 8:28:21 PM EDT
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Corona viruses are common, there have been livestock vaccines for 20 years, what makes this one "novel".
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This is a brand-new, never before seen virus. Nobody has a vaccine yet. There isn't even a treatment.
Corona viruses are common, there have been livestock vaccines for 20 years, what makes this one "novel".
it is new ( large mutation ) and nobody has any immunity to it.

A novel virus with a 2% + mortality rate that spreads as easily as the common cold is a big deal
1/21/2020 8:39:42 PM EDT
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Gives you something to think about. Let's say it hit Cheyenne with a population of about 60k, and say 10k fall I'll to it, and it maintains the .02 mortality rate. That would be 200 dead. We have one hospital and a few clinics in town, that would be hard on them.

Almost everyone I talked too in the last month or so got the flu that's been going around.
1/21/2020 8:43:34 PM EDT
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Only a little over 62,000 ventilators in the US. This is why a novel respiratory virus could be bad within a few weeks. Not to panic, but watch closely. My wife works in Infectious disease clinic, I am in Admin of 3 hospitals. So, yeah you kinda watch new stuff.
1/21/2020 9:02:09 PM EDT
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videos in the tweet links

1/21/2020 9:17:09 PM EDT
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The regular flu kills 30,000 to 60,000 people in the US every year (depending on how bad the strain is).
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With much drama and no real danger?

This ain't the flu of WW1.
The regular flu kills 30,000 to 60,000 people in the US every year (depending on how bad the strain is).
The mortality rate currently is around 2%, which is significant, with 50% in which would be 3.5-4 MILLION deaths in the US...  AND due to being a novel virus it might turn out that those are like the Spanish flue where OLD and young were actually LESS hurt by it(basically it made immune system go into over drive and attack EVERYTHING, so the old with weak immune systems coulndt do much damge to them selves, and the young didn't have a trained immune system the same way), imagine if 3.5 MILLION people stopped showing up for work over the next year. unemployment is already  at the lowest recorded level, McDonalds would legitimately be paying 15-30 bucks an hour for flippers.  more skilled jobs MUCH more.

AND  per prior poster 20% of infected required intensive care. do you think we have 35 MILLION hospital beds, much less 35 MILLION patients worth of doctors, nurses,  IV bags, linens,drugsect

This is a list of the currently "in shortage" medications in the US today.  some are can live without, others can he seriously bad side effects(I'm no doctor)

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/drugshortages/
(oddly there are quite a few abuseable drugs that are currently in shortage status, morphine, adderal, entinal, are all on that list).

Initially i posted with a hypothetical transmission rate of 100% of exposed people, which is VERY high(and hard to quantify because, how do you 100% track who was exposed?  had sex ? 10 feet? 20 feet? ect) so absolute WORST case is 100%, Measles(one of the most spreadable) has an infection rate of R=16, meaning each infected person will infect 16 susceptible people before they are no longer infectious. BUT since we are in the 1st world something like 99% of us have vaccines(MMR) when we were kids and MOST of us 80% got the booster when we were teenagers. so that R=16 closer to say 1.5.  Ebola has only 2. With the novel virus (IE NEW nobody knows what it can do) , the R rate might be 2-5(say HIV,  AND highly behavior related), OR might be  measles R=16(breathing, touching objects, ect) chickenpox R=17(airborne droplets, so close breathing, touching mucus or saliva, or sores).
1/21/2020 9:30:41 PM EDT
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The Washington patient, was he symptomatic and contagious on the aircraft? Seems a whole bunch of people probably caught their connecting flights after exposure. It likely won’t be limited to Washington for long.
1/21/2020 9:30:42 PM EDT
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The mortality rate currently is around 2%, which would be 7-8 MILLION in the US...
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Assuming a transmission rate of 100%.  That is the big unknown at the moment.
1/21/2020 9:36:48 PM EDT
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