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5/15/2017 10:03:08 AM EDT
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What is that, 9mm
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No, milk chocolate.
5/15/2017 10:45:48 AM EDT
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From the link that I was given:  http://www.ecolechocolat.com/en/chocolate-tempering.html

Looks like I gotta get the milk chocolate up to 105 degrees and not more than 113.  Dunno how I'm gonna seed it in the mold, though.
5/15/2017 10:49:50 AM EDT
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Get a good thermometer.
5/15/2017 10:57:10 AM EDT
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You do not want to use oil in a double boiler.
5/15/2017 11:12:18 AM EDT
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Out of all your dumb ideas, this isn't one of them.   
5/15/2017 11:21:47 AM EDT
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I'd buy one of those $200 3D printers from monoprice, and scale the lower down to large Cadbury egg size, print 10 molds, then mix biggest bags of chocolate chips I could find with parafin and pour, throw in freezer for 15 minutes and repeat.

You'd be done in a day tops.

And frankly, full size lower of chocolate is a little much.


OR Find someone on Arfcom that already has a printer and price 10 molds from them overnighted to you.
5/15/2017 11:26:49 AM EDT
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 You're supposed to say,"In before OP burns the house down just before the wedding."

Cheers Josh.  Coming from you, that's high praise.
5/15/2017 11:37:59 AM EDT
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In for the final product.
5/15/2017 11:41:42 AM EDT
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Quoted:  I'd buy one of those $200 3D printers from monoprice, and scale the lower down to large Cadbury egg size, print 10 molds, then mix biggest bags of chocolate chips I could find with parafin and pour, throw in freezer for 15 minutes and repeat.

You'd be done in a day tops.

And frankly, full size lower of chocolate is a little much.

OR Find someone on Arfcom that already has a printer and price 10 molds from them overnighted to you.
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Actually, it would be pretty cool if someone would print a Colt XM-177 rollmark stamp.

My thought is to put the 1st one (0%) on the groom's cake - which I still need to order.

I'm tempted to make a complete lower and give it to Trinity Ordnance so they can enter it in their book - and then record the disposition - eaten.

Then make some complete lowers as party favors/snacks.  And I need to pour @ least one solid magwell to shoot .22" LR out of this winter.
5/15/2017 11:43:59 AM EDT
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Sweet idea, dude!
5/15/2017 7:03:38 PM EDT
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Will live w/ air bubbles.  That's a problem w/ the actual epoxy as well.  I'm not gonna fire it - well, I might w/ Sample's .22" LR upper.  

Probably as a single shot, and not before the wedding.  That 2 lb hunk of chocolate isn't easy to break.  I have a drop in trigger, throw the chocolate lower into the Hera thumbhole stock to give it some support, take it to an outdoor rifle range this winter...  Anyone know of a .22" LR brand that uses lead-free primers?  Leave the magazine well solid...

Back to the issues @ hand.  I can wrap the mold in a couple of plastic zip lock bags, tops open, and put it into a pot of warm water oil to keep the chocolate from setting up too fast.

So, to list our issues:

1 - a single drop of water will spoil the soup.  So, let's leave out the water.  Let's use vegetable oil as the medium in our double boiler - on a gas stove - this could be fun.  

2 - Need a better funnel - no problem, will take the mold to the grocery store, get a proper funnel that fits.

3 - Need something to keep the chocolate from sticking to the mold - Pam, vegetable oil, butter...?

4 - Will test 1st w/ this chocolate hunk, but I got it, there are better chocolates to use.  Let's see how this does the 1st go round.

5 - Will keep the mold warm by putting it in plastic bags inside a pan of warm oil.

To list knowns:

1 - a pretty good idea what our volume is - 5-6 oz to make an actual gun, another 4 oz for the mag well insert, 1 & 1/2 oz for the FCS well insert, so say 12 oz for a 0%, 7.5 oz for an 80%.

2 - I'm skipping most of the detent holes.  Since we're putting the mold into a plastic bag anyway, rather than plug the holes w/ duct tape, I'll just duct tape the inner bag tightly around the mold w/ duct tape.  Any leakage will just go into the bag.  And then the Sinister and his sisters have something to lick up.  Hmm, wonder if we could do a frosting lower...  

3 - freezer close @ hand, so once it's poured and the stopper put in, out of the pot, into the freezer.  Maybe shake it a few times, see if it needs topping off.

$2 margaritas tonight, so not much will get done today.
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2. Like the other poster said a funnel probably isn't going to work.

3. Nothing if the chocolate is in temper.. It should pop out of a clean and shiny mold.

Science: How to Temper Chocolate with This Easier Method

Isn't chocolate fun 
5/15/2017 9:57:34 PM EDT
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Quoted:  2. Like the other poster said a funnel probably isn't going to work.

3. Nothing if the chocolate is in temper.. It should pop out of a clean and shiny mold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5_kheJtQO4

Isn't chocolate fun 
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Sounds like I need to seed the mold w/ some chocolate shavings before I seal it up.  Hmm.

I guess I'm not seeing the difference betweeen chocolate setting up in the funnel, and chocolate setting up in the syringe.  The chocolate has a rather narrow route into the lower - if I can't pour it in from a pot w/o it cooling & setting up in a funnel, I don't see how a syringe is gonna work.

I guess if I leave the buffer tube insert out I could pour directly in there.  Won't work for an 80% or complete lower, but will work for our purposes.

ETA:  The mold is clean enough, but it ain't shiny - it appears to be machined plastic, and it costs $300+.  If I'm gonna screw it up w/ chocolate, we're gonna skip the chocolate and go straight to non-edible lowers.
5/15/2017 11:12:07 PM EDT
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Don't think you can mess up that mold with chocolate, worst case you heat it gently in hot water and it cleans up with soap.

Also, maybe you can cast them in 2 sides then join the halves?

Or do like the bunnies and pour the hot chocolate into the cold mold and let the shell set up then dump the rest back out of the middle.
5/15/2017 11:30:37 PM EDT
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Quoted:  Don't think you can mess up that mold with chocolate, worst case you heat it gently in hot water and it cleans up with soap.

Also, maybe you can cast them in 2 sides then join the halves?

Or do like the bunnies and pour the hot chocolate into the cold mold and let the shell set up then dump the rest back out of the middle.
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Maybe?  How would I join the two halves?  I don't think my standard go-to of superglue will work here.

I don't know if I have enough space to dump the rest out the back.  Basically, the mold fill point is the dimple in the rear of the lower under the buffer tube.  W/ chocolate, I can skip the buffer tube hole alltogether, but that's still not leaving much room for chocolate to run out through the neck of the buffer tube boss.
5/15/2017 11:38:38 PM EDT
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Maybe?  How would I join the two halves?  I don't think my standard go-to of superglue will work here.

I don't know if I have enough space to dump the rest out the back.  Basically, the mold fill point is the dimple in the rear of the lower under the buffer tube.  W/ chocolate, I can skip the buffer tube hole alltogether, but that's still not leaving much room for chocolate to run out through the neck of the buffer tube boss.
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Take a hair dryer to the edges, press both halves together and then take a sealed ziplock bag with ice and salt to "cauterize" the seam and stick in freezer.
Make sure to wipe away any condesation on the bag before you do. You can also use those aerosol cans and turn it upside down to spot freeze the chocolate, but I don't remember which propellants are food safe atm.
above only works if the lower is hollow and not a solid chunk of delicious diabetes.

ETA: a set of 12 for 260 on Amazon. not sure if your budget, but the food grade aerosol stuff is usually 20 bucks at the lowest I've seen

Food Aerosol
5/15/2017 11:49:41 PM EDT
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I'm just saying... we put a man on the moon under a tighter development timeline and a smaller budget.

5/16/2017 12:02:49 AM EDT
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This is a minor spinoff project from Operation Merry Widow - it's been more than 3 years in the making.  
5/16/2017 9:40:41 PM EDT
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Half a mold, not enough chocolate, in the freezer now, pics later.  Liquid chocolate tastes pretty good.  
5/16/2017 9:42:21 PM EDT
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Half a mold, not enough chocolate, in the freezer now, pics later.  Liquid chocolate tastes pretty good.  
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Tastes sort of chocolatey. 
5/16/2017 10:11:07 PM EDT
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Where's the pictures of finished chocolate goodness?
5/16/2017 10:23:13 PM EDT
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Hang on, about to copy the pics over from the phone.  Looks kinda lumpy.  Didn't even pour enough to get to the  buffer tube.  Just wanted to try melting, and the seeding - but I think the chunks were probably too big.  We'll see tomorrow afternoon.
5/16/2017 10:39:16 PM EDT
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A couple of timely YouTube videos:

The Princess Bride (10/12) Movie CLIP - Mawage (1987) HD


Spaceballs Marriage Scene ~ FUNNY!!


Oh, right.  Posting photos.  Will get right on that.
5/16/2017 10:44:45 PM EDT
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Right.  Chocolate pics.

The right side mold, just below the 2.25 lb chocolate block:

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Cutting chocolate - it's not particularly easy to cut.  Should've heated the knife, I suppose:

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Chopping the chunks:

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Brushing the mold w/ vegetable oil - the same oil I used to measure the volume.  Forgot to take a picture of the single piece of white duct tape sealing the front & rear take down pin detent holes, & the hammer & trigger pin holes.

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All shiny!

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5/16/2017 10:47:01 PM EDT
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Baking fish for dinner AND melting chocolate:

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Candy thermometer clipped to the bottom bowl of the "double boiler":

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Starting to warm up:

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I'm MELTING!!!!!

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FW_wife points out the clip should go on the measuring cup:

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5/16/2017 10:48:54 PM EDT
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Ready to pour, er, halfway spoon out, really:

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The first experimental pour:

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After freezing:

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We'll see how it does.  Tomorrow afternoon, I'll see if I can pop it out of the mold, take some more pictures, and then taste test w/ the Sinister.  
5/16/2017 10:59:14 PM EDT
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It's looking tasty so far. For some reason I pictured the chocolate being more fluid than it seems to be though.
5/16/2017 11:00:27 PM EDT
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From the link that I was given:  http://www.ecolechocolat.com/en/chocolate-tempering.html

Looks like I gotta get the milk chocolate up to 105 degrees and not more than 113.  Dunno how I'm gonna seed it in the mold, though.
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Find a local arfcommer with a sous vide setup.  Put chocolate in vacuum sealed bag, heat, cut open and pour.  Easy and the next bag could be sitting at perfect temp ready to go as soon as the next mold is ready.
5/16/2017 11:02:54 PM EDT
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Me too.  I'm guessing I didn't get it hot enough.  I don't think there will be an actual chocolate "gun".  I think I pretty much have to pour through the buffer tube hole or it won't get in.

I also might put the mold in vegetable oil, and put that on top of the toaster oven to keep it warm.  What can go wrong?  Burn down the kitchen a week before the wedding w/ a vegetable oil & chocolate fire?  
5/16/2017 11:04:31 PM EDT
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Lol, I actually had an idea to mold rounds and make chocolate rounds and mags and whatnot.
5/16/2017 11:09:52 PM EDT
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Lol, I actually had an idea to mold rounds and make chocolate rounds and mags and whatnot.
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There are ammo ice cube trays that would probably work well. 
5/16/2017 11:21:48 PM EDT
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Quoted:  Find a local arfcommer with a sous vide setup.  Put chocolate in vacuum sealed bag, heat, cut open and pour.  Easy and the next bag could be sitting at perfect temp ready to go as soon as the next mold is ready.
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I think if I had to I could do several pours.  Might even heat the mold back up again and put the other candy thermometer in there.  It's pretty slim, I wonder if it would fit in one of the FCS pin holes.
5/16/2017 11:43:47 PM EDT
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Should have bought a HiPoint and made a mold of that.

Chocolate planet of the apes chocolate guns for everyone..
5/17/2017 12:20:12 AM EDT
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Don't temp me.  I have a JHP, and Reta gave me a 4595 for Christmas.  They've both been converted to 1911 mags, of course.  The 4595's going into the HighTower bullpup stock when it comes out.

I bought the mold, obviously, to make lowers for myself for a few $ each, probably using Task 21.  I should be able to make 80% lowers for friends for only a few $ more, and the chocolate thing is pure lagniappe, and homage to Orion's Hammer in similar circumstances.
5/17/2017 12:30:39 AM EDT
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Me too.  I'm guessing I didn't get it hot enough.  I don't think there will be an actual chocolate "gun".  I think I pretty much have to pour through the buffer tube hole or it won't get in.

I also might put the mold in vegetable oil, and put that on top of the toaster oven to keep it warm.  What can go wrong?  Burn down the kitchen a week before the wedding w/ a vegetable oil & chocolate fire?  
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I tried to tell ya...you need a big assed syringe that you can quickly suck up a bunch of melted chocolate and quickly inject it into the closed up mold through the buffer tube hole until the mold is full. It needs to be done quickly in one operation.  

Envision this only with chocolate, a big syringe, and your mold. 
how to make a wax injector for jewelry investment casting


You have a crockpot? Try filling it with hot water and floating a stainless steel mixing bowl with your chocolate on to of the hot water. 
5/17/2017 12:44:33 AM EDT
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We'll see what I can find.  That big syringe linked earlier would work great - after it ships from China.
5/17/2017 12:50:21 AM EDT
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We'll see what I can find.  That big syringe linked earlier would work great - after it ships from China.
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Try Tractor Supply or a farm store. They should have big syringes for livestock vaccination use. 
5/17/2017 2:30:56 PM EDT
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Tag to see if this comes out as good as his cake did.
5/17/2017 2:46:34 PM EDT
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Que?  I don't think I've posted about baking a cake.  I'm not the baker my mother is.
5/17/2017 3:01:29 PM EDT
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This thread is such a choc tease.
5/17/2017 4:42:08 PM EDT
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This thread is such a choc tease.
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Funny and accurate.
5/17/2017 5:27:02 PM EDT
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Que?  I don't think I've posted about baking a cake.  I'm not the baker my mother is.
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Que?  I don't think I've posted about baking a cake.  I'm not the baker my mother is.
I thought that background pattern looked familiar, thought it was from the Luis Vutton handbag cake, but must have been another of your photos.  


Unless somebody else here has equally bad taste in tablecloths...
5/17/2017 6:35:48 PM EDT
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5/17/2017 6:37:09 PM EDT
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Didn't all come out in one piece.
5/17/2017 6:56:09 PM EDT
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This seems like should be a LOT easier than OP is making it out to be!
5/17/2017 7:23:02 PM EDT
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It's a start.    There has to be some form of "Chocolate Mold Release" due to the number of whacky things made from Chocolate.
5/17/2017 7:25:11 PM EDT
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A quick google says:

Chocolate Will Not Release from Molds
Temporary Solution: Place chocolate in the freezer to allow it to harden. After the chocolate has hardened, remove the mold from the freezer and turn it upside down over a table. When you strike the mold, the hardened chocolate should come out. Be careful to not cool the chocolate so much it that attracts condensation, or you may get sugar bloom.Cause: Chocolate was not in temperSolution: Be sure to check more carefully the temperatures used to temper the chocolate.Discussion: When cocoa butter crystallizes, it can take several different crystalline forms. When properly tempered, it takes the Beta form, which causes the chocolate to contract slightly when it hardens. If the chocolate is overtempered, this contraction has already mostly taken place, making it hard to release from the mold. If the chocolate is under tempered, other crystalline forms may take over — some of which can cause the chocolate to expand as it hardens, again making it difficult to release from the mold. Both over- and undertempered chocolate will also tend to leave bits in the fine details of the mold, making them hard to clean.
Cause: Chocolate overtemperedSolution: The chocolate must be either molded faster after it has reached temper or the chocolate cooled faster after it has been placed in the mold.Discussion: When chocolate crystallizes, it contracts. This helps release the hardened chocolate from the mold. However, when chocolate is over-tempered, most of the contraction has already taken place before it has been molded, making it difficult to release from the mold.
Cause: Molds too warm or too cold during molding.Solution: Molds should be approximately 10 degrees Fahrenheit cooler than the chocolate being molded. Adjust mold temperature accordingly.Discussion: Molds that are too warm or too cold can cause the thin layer of chocolate that contacts the molds to lose its temper. This out-of-temper chocolate is what sticks to the molds, even though the rest of the bar may be in perfect temper.
5/17/2017 9:00:09 PM EDT
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It's a start.    There has to be some form of "Chocolate Mold Release" due to the number of whacky things made from Chocolate.
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Clean shiny molds  I used to do a lot of chocolate work.
That chocolate isn't in temper is what's wrong.
5/17/2017 9:46:04 PM EDT
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This seems like should be a LOT easier than OP is making it out to be!
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Indeed. 
5/17/2017 10:18:18 PM EDT
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Indeed. 
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Yep, but this is live action....

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