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Posted: 10/24/2007 10:43:11 AM EDT
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Somebody correct me if I'm wrong... but It looks like a revolver that shoots these... 
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Posted: 10/24/2007 10:44:06 AM EDT
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If you don't hit the snake with the bullet you'll at least kill it with the fireball. |
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Posted: 10/24/2007 10:46:17 AM EDT
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.454 Casull is absolutely no fun in a small pistol.
Call me a Nancy if you want, but literally... it's one of the few guns I've ever shot that was so punishing that I simply put it down after a few rounds and said "no more, thanks." |
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Posted: 10/24/2007 10:49:21 AM EDT
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You would be correct. Sorry no ammo out when the picture was taken. It also shoots 45lc and .410 as well 
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Posted: 10/24/2007 10:50:12 AM EDT
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As always very interesting information/pics. Thanks.
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Posted: 10/24/2007 10:52:49 AM EDT
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Cool report as always.
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Posted: 10/24/2007 10:59:16 AM EDT
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Not very modest are you?  I shot a clay on my first attempt with my AR15 once. Didn't try it a second time cuz I was sure I couldn't repeat it.
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Posted: 10/24/2007 11:01:11 AM EDT
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Another great thread, thanks for posting!
I read a few reviews in different gun mags, and this was far better than any of them. None of them shot anything better than paper, and none of them noticed the flattening out of the buckshot. Great post! Shawn |
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Posted: 10/24/2007 11:01:57 AM EDT
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I'll stick with my 9 and my .38
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Posted: 10/24/2007 11:05:39 AM EDT
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Good box. I have a 3" chambered 410. I will have to do a jug test on mine to see how it does. Mine is a derringer, so has a different use. I have plenty of larger pistols, but nothing as small with decent power.
--- I also have a 45/70 single shot pistol - even in a 5+ lb pistol it is no fun to shoot. Luckily I have other barrels for it. |
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Posted: 10/24/2007 11:15:48 AM EDT
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I believe ADC makes 2.5" buckshot, but I don't remember whether it is 000 or not.
Also, .410 is way overkill for snakes. If you have a need for "snake defense" against leaping ninja attack snakes then .22 LR shot shells are more than adequate without needing a specialized pistol with too much recoil. |
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Posted: 10/24/2007 11:17:22 AM EDT
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Are you saying this because you've tested one and observed this fact. Or is it just second hand info? |
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Posted: 10/24/2007 11:18:34 AM EDT
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I guess I can kiss that Taurus contract good bye. 
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Posted: 10/24/2007 11:19:21 AM EDT
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 Unless mine is over bored just enough? But my wads dont spin a whole lot more than my normal .410 does.If that was the case when I fire bird shot I should not even hit a tgt at 25 feet. |
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Posted: 10/24/2007 11:23:36 AM EDT
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I've always assumed that was the case, Contender 45 Colt/ 410 barrels come with a screw in insert for use with the 410's to stop the spin. I never thought of trying it without the insert and I don't own 410 barrel anymore, could be a good reason/excuse for me to buy another one though.
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Posted: 10/24/2007 11:26:24 AM EDT
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O_P I *believe* I witnessed what he is talking about last week. Friend and I went to the range with our 870s. Mine is an 870 Police with a 20" barrel and improved cylinder choke. His is an 870 Express with a 20" rifled barrel. Shooting Remington 2 3/4 00 Buck at Q targets set up at 15 yards. His patterns were very wide and sloppy compared to mine, which were relatively tight. The wad was hitting at about point of impact for him though. This was a mystery to us, until I noticed he had a rifled barrel, and we chalked up the poor patterning to the rifled barrel. Any other cause for this you can think of? 
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Posted: 10/24/2007 11:30:01 AM EDT
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BTW I did not get a chance to go by that gun store. Maybe next time.
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Posted: 10/24/2007 11:31:48 AM EDT
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I recall reading a goofy gun rag write up years ago about .22 shot shells in rifles. The author went on and on about putting smooth bore tubes in them to improve the pattern. He did test it and the smooth bores were much better. So there is something going on there that could probably use modern testing.
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Posted: 10/24/2007 11:32:00 AM EDT
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Outstanding as usual!
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Posted: 10/24/2007 11:51:40 AM EDT
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Great post... thanks.
However, that gun would not work in a defensive situation because there is no slide to rack back and forth to scare the intruder. Unless it has a very loud click of the hammer.
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Posted: 10/24/2007 12:05:51 PM EDT
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It would be nice to see a comparison with shot load performance from a 45LC or 45ACP handgun. Personally, I would lean towards a conventional handgun with shot loads rather than a gun built around the .410 shotshell.
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Posted: 10/24/2007 12:47:23 PM EDT
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The Judge=an answer looking for a problem.
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Posted: 10/24/2007 12:55:30 PM EDT
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I don't doubt it. There have been a lot of deer killed with the lowly .22 Short. But that doesn't mean that it is a good idea.
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Posted: 10/24/2007 12:56:44 PM EDT
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I bet people are wondering what we are talking about. No problem. I'm sure it's good for my reputation.
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Posted: 10/24/2007 12:59:10 PM EDT
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I knew that you hadn't, because you would have been talking about it. Too bad you didn't come by this week. You could have done this test with me.
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Posted: 10/24/2007 1:01:08 PM EDT
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That would be great. I'm sure I will be in your neck of the woods again soon. |
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Posted: 10/24/2007 1:03:18 PM EDT
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Another great thread my friend!
I hope you don't mind, I posted a link to this thread in the Revolver forum. There have been some questions about the Taurus Judge so I am sure the guys would love to read your thread. |
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Posted: 10/24/2007 1:04:19 PM EDT
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Birdshot is useful but only at short ranges. I've shot rabbits that completely came apart with #7 bird shot but I was very close.
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Posted: 10/24/2007 1:24:46 PM EDT
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I wonder how a .410/45lc combo would preform in a 6" barrel?
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Posted: 10/24/2007 1:30:19 PM EDT
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A 4" barreled .44 mag or .45 Colt would serve the same purpose without the extra long cylinder. The shot shells available for them would be just as effective against flying ninja attack snakes.
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Posted: 10/24/2007 1:30:46 PM EDT
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A 12 Gauge revolver would be NFA. Because this is technically a .45LC weapon, it is not.... |
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Posted: 10/24/2007 1:54:35 PM EDT
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Good question. A friend of mine has a judge in the short barrel version with the matte stainless finish, I think the barrel is 2.5" but I could be wrong. Anyway, I was surprised with the accuracy. No shit, we each hit a big co2 tank from about 35-40 yards with it. Took each of us 2 or 3 shots to hit it, but i was still surprised for .45LC out of a barrel that short. It is fun to shoot clays with But like the OP and others have said, its not my first choice for a "welcoming party" pistol. |
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Posted: 10/24/2007 2:08:46 PM EDT
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There's a Revolver Forum??? 
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Posted: 10/24/2007 2:13:22 PM EDT
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Awesome write-up yet again!
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Posted: 10/24/2007 2:16:48 PM EDT
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The penetration of the .45 LC seemed to be fine. I'm sure it would work well for medium game. |
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Posted: 10/24/2007 2:55:19 PM EDT
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No problem. That's what causes horse races.....differences in opinion.
Stop him how? What if he's on drugs and is charging you with a meat cleaver. Are you willing to depend on a round that only "stings"? What is he is wearing safety glasses or doesn't present his face for a shot? Birdshot is a very poor defensive load. That is a fact, not an opinion.
That is right, they "can". But if the guy is wearing heavy clothes, or is a bigger than normal guy, or is holding a weapon pointed at you and you must shoot through his arms, what then? Then you are in trouble. That is why the FBI made the 12 inch penetration minimum rule. In case things aren't "perfect".
Maybe, depending on many factors. It is surely the "best" round for this weapon.
No, you do not "know" any such thing. It depends on the load and many other factors. If loaded with birdshot, weak buckshot, or weak slugs, it will not "do the job". Might it work? Sure. But why trust "might" when "will work" is available? |
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Posted: 10/24/2007 3:07:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2007 3:10:45 PM EDT
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I wonder if you cast some buck/slugs with a harder lead and loaded them if they would be acceptable. The pics you show are pretty sorry (the flattened lead, not your pics!). I bought some Zero 158gr LSWCs and shot steel targets. They were so soft they looked like poker chips. NOT loading them for carry in my 642.
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Posted: 10/24/2007 3:13:56 PM EDT
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I want to add my thanks to Old_Painless for his thorough and informative post.
Since seeing the add for the Taurus .410 in this month's American Rifleman, I had been seriously thinking of getting one of these as another potential carry pistol. Based on this post, I will be putting off buying this gun for a good while, if not passing on it all together. It still has a novelty factor, but that isn't enough attraction to put it higher on my list than a gun with better practical, brute stopping power and penetration. Much appreciated, sir. |
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Posted: 10/24/2007 3:15:21 PM EDT
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While the first opinion may be argued, it must be remembered that Dick Cheneys hunting partner/backstop lawyer friend did'nt return fire.
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Posted: 10/24/2007 3:17:09 PM EDT
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Cool, interesting revolver, if for novelty reasons alone, still interesting.
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Posted: 10/24/2007 3:32:09 PM EDT
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Tman and I were discussing this today on the way home from the range. Why do they load such a light weight slug? And why make it of dead-soft lead? It could be twice as heavy, say at 200 grains, and made of hardened lead. That might improve its performance somewhat. Oh well, they hardly ever call me to ask my opinion. |
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Posted: 10/24/2007 3:34:06 PM EDT
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You are certainly welcome. I saw that ad too. They shot two of those black targets that turn yellow around the bullet holes. The birdshot sure made a pretty picture. I guess if you are ever attacked by paper targets, it would be just the thing to have. |
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Posted: 10/24/2007 4:32:20 PM EDT
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Thanks!
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Posted: 10/24/2007 4:55:57 PM EDT
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Yep, I load snake loads for my .44 and also my .38's. Look here: Snakeloads O' Truth |
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Posted: 10/24/2007 5:20:07 PM EDT
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It does look fun. I wonder if a guy could shoot clays with a .44 mag snake shot. |
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Posted: 10/24/2007 5:41:06 PM EDT
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I've tried shooting my .44 at birds that were flushed, but didn't cut a feather. One thing for sure, the .410 has more shot in the load, making it easier to hit a target in flight. |
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Posted: 10/24/2007 5:43:38 PM EDT
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I had a Thunder Five .410/45LC a while ago. It was very fun to shoot but sold it after the wheel started to get sloppy. It was way too heavy for a single arm.
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Posted: 10/24/2007 6:12:29 PM EDT
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I personally dislike the .410. It is useless for anything but squirrels. This weak round is foisted off on kids for a first shotgun. If a kid is old enough for a shotgun, give him a 20 ga.
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Posted: 10/24/2007 6:44:58 PM EDT
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.410 Brenneke slugs are heavier than the foster type and solid lead..
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