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8/13/2020 6:50:51 PM EDT
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I am more in the camp of people who believe in a relationship with God through Jesus Christ first. Then a church affiliation second. I am always leery about the "Christian," who always spouts off about their particular church organization much more than about their relationship with Christ sometimes not even hardly at all. I say immediately become skeptical of these.
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From my understanding, the "Our Lady of Akita" events fall into that category.  If you can direct me to a scientifically conclusive, non-strainingly-speculative naturalistic explanation of the physical phenomena manifested there, I would much appreciate it.  It's just one example, but that's one that I'd personally like to see disproven.


Break open the statue and find out.


What about in the cases of Stigmata?


Put anyone suspected of developing stigmata under 24/7 video surveillance?

Anyone willing to put holes in their hands to fake a religious experience needs help, not enabling.


Lol.......so you don’t believe that any cases of stigmata are real? Are you religious?


I'm sure some we real in the sense that they were actual wounds.

I've been a Christian since I was 7 but I'm not terribly religious.

I am more in the camp of people who believe in a relationship with God through Jesus Christ first. Then a church affiliation second. I am always leery about the "Christian," who always spouts off about their particular church organization much more than about their relationship with Christ sometimes not even hardly at all. I say immediately become skeptical of these.


I usually include with that people who throw around scripture, but then totally deny or dismiss any possibility that stigmata or the like are possible. These types are in no way like the poster above who has a healthy skepticism and is honest about his faith etc.

These types profess the absolute proof of the Bible but vehemently deny that such phenomenal things are possible.
8/13/2020 7:00:43 PM EDT
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How bout the Our Lady of Fátima in 1917?
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It's interesting enough given the consistent testimony of three separate children over the course of their lives, but it's not the kind of physical evidence that makes you really reevaluate your worldview.  The lifelong consistency of the six children at Medjugorje for 39 years and counting, and the testimony of witnesses who saw them move up the mountain with supernatural speed, would be a stonger version of this...but still not hard documented evidence.  We also don't have video accounts of the miracle of the sun that occurred in either case, no matter how many people were recorded as having witnessed it (from different cities in the Fatima case).  We'll see what promised permanent physical proof, if any, manifests when the last three visionaries receive their tenth and final "secret."  Until then, "Eye witnesses aren't reliable."  Similarly, the healing waters at Lourdes can be handwaved away by a combination of the placebo effect and survivorship bias, even though that seems a little dubious to me.

In any case, these events are less credible to someone who hasn't yet "seen something that cannot be unseen."  They start to take on more significance to someone who has already concluded, "Oh crap, some of this stuff really exists.  What else had I unfairly dismissed or overlooked?"

What makes Akita more interesting is the physical evidence that was actually examined by scientists, without the usual, "Oh, it's a fraud, because it's made of hollow plaster that someone put liquid inside," etc. explanation.  For every twenty copycat frauds, there's one that just isn't that easy.  The tears aren't the only element of Akita that lack a coherent debunking explanation, either.  It's a whole pileup of "WTF?"

For the record, I don't believe that any of these Marian apparitions are of divine origin, but there is something paranormally creepy about a small handful.
8/13/2020 7:06:23 PM EDT
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I don’t really believe that there’s anything to them, but I’m not messing with them all the same.
8/13/2020 9:12:58 PM EDT
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I'd use something other than Zyprexa. Abilify maybe. Zyprexa makes you gain weight at a ridiculous pace.
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How much would it cost to start treating our water supply with zyprexa?

Between this thread and the alphabet people screaming in the streets, I think it'd be money well spent


I'd use something other than Zyprexa. Abilify maybe. Zyprexa makes you gain weight at a ridiculous pace.



Excellent point.  If we take the crazy skinny chicks and make them fat and stable, who the hell are we going to sportfuck?
8/13/2020 9:19:43 PM EDT
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Excellent point.  If we take the crazy skinny chicks and make them fat and stable, who the hell are we going to sportfuck?
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How much would it cost to start treating our water supply with zyprexa?

Between this thread and the alphabet people screaming in the streets, I think it'd be money well spent


I'd use something other than Zyprexa. Abilify maybe. Zyprexa makes you gain weight at a ridiculous pace.



Excellent point.  If we take the crazy skinny chicks and make them fat and stable, who the hell are we going to sportfuck?



ROFL
8/13/2020 9:34:47 PM EDT
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Threads like this really bring out those on the border of sanity.
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It's been enlightening.   So many other things about arf make total sense now.
8/13/2020 9:36:25 PM EDT
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8/13/2020 9:47:42 PM EDT
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If you're willing I know a foundation willing to pay you or ANYBODY the sum of ONE MILLION DOLLARS cash money if they can prove anything supernatural. Anything.

The bounty has been there +20 years and plenty have failed.
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It doesn't require the supernatural to channel the evil with in(an individual).
8/13/2020 9:49:05 PM EDT
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Ouija boards are dangerous.  Don't believe the people who scoff at their power.  I have known too many people in my life who have had too many negative experiences.

There are entities that use it as a conduit into people's lives.  Most of the time these encounters result in nothing good.

Believe it or not; I don't care.

It's not a toy.
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lol
8/13/2020 10:27:34 PM EDT
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lol

Just lol.
8/13/2020 10:35:43 PM EDT
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I just love how people drone on and on about scientific proof like intelligent entities are required to perform for them on cue or some such horseshit.
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Or that entities need a stupid toy in order to do anything.
8/13/2020 10:37:47 PM EDT
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How bout the Our Lady of Fátima in 1917?
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Or images of Jesus in folks toast?
8/13/2020 11:05:02 PM EDT
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You mean that was JESUS?   Crap, all this time I thought it was Ian McCollum popping up on my toast every 13th of the month.
8/13/2020 11:13:28 PM EDT
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https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-strange-and-mysterious-history-of-the-ouija-board?utm_source=pocket-newtab

Like many evils, Ohio is to blame.

In 1886, the fledgling Associated Press reported on a new phenomenon taking over the spiritualists' camps in Ohio, the talking board; it was, for all intents and purposes, a Ouija board, with letters, numbers and a planchette-like device to point to them. The article went far and wide, but it was Charles Kennard of Baltimore, Maryland who acted on it. In 1890, he pulled together a group of four other investorsincluding Elijah Bond, a local attorney, and Col. Washington Bowie, a surveyorto start the Kennard Novelty Company to exclusively make and market these new talking boards. None of the men were spiritualists, really, but they were all of them keen businessmen and they'd identified a niche.
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There are some other good parts to the article, like how they got a patent for it.

How does it work---->

Click To View SpoilerI remember playing with one as a small boy with my cousins and I was scared shitless. The "board" said it was the Devil or something and I hightailed it out of there and hid in another room.
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About 20 years ago, a buddy and I got drunk as hell at his camp up in Northern Maine.  We were determined to drink 100 beers each in 24 hours.  We busted out a Ouija Board and tried to summon the spirit of Bon Scott.

We didn't succeed with either goal.  The only thing that happened was a hangover that lasted for three days.
8/14/2020 12:07:30 AM EDT
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This one doesn't really matter, because he wants you to eat him in the form of bread either way.
8/14/2020 12:48:36 AM EDT
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Or images of Jesus in folks toast?
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How bout the Our Lady of Fátima in 1917?

Or images of Jesus in folks toast?


Interesting that you would correlate the two.
8/14/2020 12:49:34 AM EDT
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For sure Hitler was obsessed with the occult and the nazi party were actively trying to harness satanic power to use against the allies.  

Check out the story U-boat under the ice.
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I can't find that story; do you have a link?
8/15/2020 12:04:08 AM EDT
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I can't find that story; do you have a link?
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For sure Hitler was obsessed with the occult and the nazi party were actively trying to harness satanic power to use against the allies.  

Check out the story U-boat under the ice.


I can't find that story; do you have a link?

I'm not vouching for this linked version of the story.  I just found it through googling a few minutes ago.  It's probably different than other accounts.
http://www.searchforthetruth.co.uk/antarctica

You don't necessarily need to buy any of the occult aspects of the story.  Note the number of influential people that have traveled there.  John Kerry was there while America was arguing about whether Trump really won the election.  Even if hidden spiritual forces can't influence your life, John Kerry (and others) can.  JK is just one example.  Google for other surprising visitors.
8/15/2020 1:45:53 AM EDT
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Ouija boards are nothing but superstitions nonsense. All the cute,  "creepy" anecdotes don't change the fact that it's bullshit. It's the idiomotor phenomena. That's it.
8/15/2020 2:00:02 PM EDT
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Ouija boards are nothing but superstitions nonsense. All the cute,  "creepy" anecdotes don't change the fact that it's bullshit. It's the idiomotor phenomena. That's it.
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Well now, sounds like this case has been solved.....shut her down.
8/18/2020 10:06:50 PM EDT
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Well now, sounds like this case has been solved.....shut her down.
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Well he wasn't wrong lol
8/19/2020 9:37:23 AM EDT
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Well now, sounds like this case has been solved.....shut her down.
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His statement is backed up by 100 years of evidence, science, testing and testimony from people who have either manipulated others using the board, or claimed that it works but offered no evidence to substantiate the fact.

So yeah, it's kinda been solved. Until someone unleashes a Giant Sloar with a Ouija, and many Shubs and Zuuls know what it is to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar, I think we can call it good.
8/19/2020 9:42:58 AM EDT
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His statement is backed up by 100 years of evidence, science, testing and testimony from people who have either manipulated others using the board, or claimed that it works but offered no evidence to substantiate the fact.

So yeah, it's kinda been solved. Until someone unleashes a Giant Sloar with a Ouija, and many Shubs and Zuuls know what it is to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar, I think we can call it good.
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Well now, sounds like this case has been solved.....shut her down.

His statement is backed up by 100 years of evidence, science, testing and testimony from people who have either manipulated others using the board, or claimed that it works but offered no evidence to substantiate the fact.

So yeah, it's kinda been solved. Until someone unleashes a Giant Sloar with a Ouija, and many Shubs and Zuuls know what it is to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar, I think we can call it good.


I had no idea GD had so many SME’s on the subject of the occult, and it’s inner workings. It’s fascinating really.
8/19/2020 10:37:51 AM EDT
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Candyman Candyman Candyman Candyman .,..
8/19/2020 10:46:38 AM EDT
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I'm enjoying the fact that the most pronounced believers in Ouija boards includes many of the same people who push the most retarded conspiracy theory-type crap around here.  The are The Dumb Right, the easy prey of The Grift Right.  Gullibility in spades.
8/19/2020 11:06:31 AM EDT
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I'm enjoying the fact that the most pronounced believers in Ouija boards includes many of the same people who push the most retarded conspiracy theory-type crap around here.  The are The Dumb Right, the easy prey of The Grift Right.  Gullibility in spades.
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That’s to be expected, but then again, no one says the same about those who are devoutly religious though either. In my opinion there’s a middle ground here that is often over looked. On one hand you have those who feel it’s blatantly bs and on the other, those like you have described, who border on too much belief.

The fact of the matter is, such things land squarely in the middle of the spectrum by those who know about these things and by individuals who don’t get all their knowledge of the subject from books or the local Preacher or Priest on Sunday. The large majority of people assume they know a whole hell of a lot about the subject, because they’ve been told so by someone who represents their faith, despite the fact that so few have any real working knowledge of the subject from the inside. Working Occultists as a whole find it rather amusing  that the above two extremes exist in the world at large and have worked between those spectrums quite comfortably for a long time, being quite happy to be called all the manner of things they are.
8/19/2020 1:43:04 PM EDT
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I'm enjoying the fact that the most pronounced believers in Ouija boards includes many of the same people who push the most retarded conspiracy theory-type crap around here.  
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8/20/2020 9:49:07 PM EDT
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I'm not vouching for this linked version of the story.  I just found it through googling a few minutes ago.  It's probably different than other accounts.
http://www.searchforthetruth.co.uk/antarctica

You don't necessarily need to buy any of the occult aspects of the story.  Note the number of influential people that have traveled there.  John Kerry was there while America was arguing about whether Trump really won the election.  Even if hidden spiritual forces can't influence your life, John Kerry (and others) can.  JK is just one example.  Google for other surprising visitors.
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Thank-you for the link!

@EvoXGunner Have any other sources?

8/20/2020 9:54:49 PM EDT
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I don’t really believe that there’s anything to them, but I’m not messing with them all the same.
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This. Why take the chance.
8/20/2020 10:06:00 PM EDT
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I dated a girl for a couple of years who was raised with no religion- never went to church, Sunday school, nothing. Solid kid, not an atheist though, sensible (which is why she dumped me I'm sure ). One night when she was a freshman in college she and 3 friends used a ouija board....she wouldn't tell me what happened but she got white and was obviously scared shitless as soon as I asked her about it and clammed up- she made me promise to never ask her about it again.

I have access to a building that is purported to be haunted. As such we've allowed a local paranormal investigative group setup in the building. They came once and brought a medium. I was pretty skeptical but she kept nailing stuff, things she shouldn't have known about.

Anyway, the medium and the investigators were adamant that ouija boards were bad medicine, they opened doors that should stay tightly shut.

I'd rather not risk it.....just in case.
8/20/2020 11:20:24 PM EDT
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Thank-you for the link!

@EvoXGunner Have any other sources?

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@kozaki


Mysteries of the Third Reich - Part One | Evil Under The Ice



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8/20/2020 11:56:21 PM EDT
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBCauuuTdFY


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If you had a luigi board, you could ask it.
8/21/2020 12:34:33 AM EDT
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It is a crock of shit.
8/21/2020 12:46:16 AM EDT
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@kozaki


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Thank-you,  Evo!

8/21/2020 12:52:27 AM EDT
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These "scientists" can claim all they want. They're atheist fools with an agenda.

Direct human experience tells a different story.

Ever hear of the movie The Exorcist? That's based on a true story, which involved a boy becoming possessed after using a Ouija board.

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Bullshit. No such thing. If it was common, we would see a shit ton of evidence.
8/21/2020 1:06:08 AM EDT
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in on page 10

we made one in our 10th grade english class.

notebook paper and a quarter

it worked, i believe in them

never touched one since
8/21/2020 1:10:31 AM EDT
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we made one in our 10th grade english class.

notebook paper and a quarter

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Its because money already has demons in it.  Send your cash to me for proper cleansing.
8/21/2020 1:18:10 AM EDT
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I have a pasty-white-3rd-gen-Norwegian-American friend who practices Dominican voodoo. He has private land to interface with spirits. He's "attempted" some things for me to alleviate my chronic fatigue problem. Should I be worry?
8/21/2020 1:18:39 AM EDT
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If you think Ouija board is scary...

Never stand in front of a mirror at night and keep repeating "Bloody Mary" over and over
8/21/2020 1:45:16 AM EDT
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You're supposed to say it three times to make him appear.

Since you said it four times, you get your third grade teacher instead.

That'll teach you to mess with powers you don't understand.
8/21/2020 1:57:06 AM EDT
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You're supposed to say it three times to make him appear.

Since you said it four times, you get your third grade teacher instead.

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Five times. Give it a Go

It’s your funeral
8/21/2020 2:43:29 AM EDT
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Its more sinister than that. Parker Bros first mass marketing it. Hasbro bought Parker bros. So you have to have a  Parker Bros board, not a Hasbro one.

The Parker Brothers were Moloch and Baal worshipers and sacrificed children monthly to pay for upkeep of the licence from Satan to keep the boards legit. Hasbro has not carried on the tradition like PB and hence their boards are poser boards.
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Hasbro is the key to the land of the dead. They churn out of a bunch of them made of plastic and cardboard at the factory every day. Everyone knows that.

Its more sinister than that. Parker Bros first mass marketing it. Hasbro bought Parker bros. So you have to have a  Parker Bros board, not a Hasbro one.

The Parker Brothers were Moloch and Baal worshipers and sacrificed children monthly to pay for upkeep of the licence from Satan to keep the boards legit. Hasbro has not carried on the tradition like PB and hence their boards are poser boards.
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8/21/2020 3:08:20 AM EDT
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My 3rd grade teacher wasn't guilty! Who's got 2 thumbs and  gonna be in the bathroom tonight with an ice bucket of champaign and two glasses.......
8/21/2020 3:29:31 AM EDT
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8/21/2020 3:53:53 AM EDT
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How do you guys feel about the Magic 8 ball?
8/21/2020 3:56:44 AM EDT
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If you had a luigi board, you could ask it.
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If you had a luigi board, you could ask it.


The Luigi board doesn't know, but the Waluigi board said he broke it on purpose.

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More likely than other 8-balls to leak on the pool table.
8/21/2020 5:32:14 AM EDT
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Never knew that needed to be said.
8/21/2020 11:23:04 AM EDT
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There is one board more dangerous than the Ouija Board, and it is known as `AR15.com`
8/21/2020 11:49:55 AM EDT
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Interesting comments, but prayers are real, right?
8/22/2020 2:41:36 PM EDT
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