[ARCHIVED THREAD] - The P320 beats out Gluck and HK (Page 3 of 3)
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Quoted: WTF. Glock meets all the criteria; SIG loses on one requirement (i guess it wasn't really a requirement then) and doesn't meet troop suitability but still fucking wins?  Quoted: Only the Glock G45 met all the criteria but wasn't chosen. "However, an overall armaments policy and economic assessment showed that the SIG Sauer P320 model had substantial advantages in relevant areas," Armasuisse wrote. The SIG Sauer did not fulfil one technical requirement and also led to "non-approval for troop suitability". However, all safety-relevant aspects were assured. The manufacturer has now promised "binding" improvements. |
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Quoted: did anyone actually read the article? Only the G45 technically met the requirements, but sig still won out by promising the guns are actually safe and would make any fixes required while in service  LOL. They went from the SIG 210, to the SIG P220 for 50 years. Now to the 320...A HUGE step back imho. Hopefully the Swiss Army has a no-loaded-chambers policy and will never have a problem. Its not like Swiss troops are deployed all over the world relying on their pistols... |
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Quoted: Maybe the Swiss situation will involve some tweakage that will mitigate the issue on theirs - though I have my doubts. I'll say the unspoken here. Indian parts are made due to their culture's perception of precision. Just as Plastic Surgery tourists found out the hard way that Indian doctors and Indian nurses in India are not the same as Indian doctors & nurses in the US. They came back home to the USofA with some weird antibiotic resistant shit from the staff washing syringes and surgery implements off in the stream behind the hospital  and Lequita Dasha Jackson-Ohumo with 5th grade reading skill and earbud permanently installed blasting whatever at 120 decibels are not as focused on turning out precision tools as the kids of watch makers. My 2¢, |
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Quoted: 50,000 x 0.01 = 500 500!!!! That's a fucking BATTALION with SIG leg! Quoted: Quoted: For a 0.01% chance that there is a legitimate issue and an ND? No, the Swiss are smarter than your Ukbros. 50,000 x 0.01 = 500 500!!!! That's a fucking BATTALION with SIG leg! I think the failure rate is actually lower then that. I think it's closer to 1 in 10,000, at a guess. Which is still UNACCEPTABLY high and way above industry standard. While I have every confidence a portion of the P320 UD's are false, I also have every confidence a large portion of P320 UD's are also undisclosed. We only hear about the ones caught on camera or causing an injury. How many go off where nobody got hit, off camera - and the operator was like "nothing happened, nothing happened today, the gun in my hand neeevvver discharged other than on target nosir nosir; whatchutalkingabout?" I would guess, now that it's sufficiently documented that Hell Yes they sometimes go off on their own; that a whole lot of unexpected Kabooms never get talked about - much moreso than the false claims - would be my bet. |
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Quoted: I'm guessing here but my thoughts are that they required 'Made in Switzerland' would be to have all Swiss precision made parts and assembled by Swiss technicians. Versus shit MIM Indian parts of varying quality/dimensions and some hourly worker hired r/t DEI requirements. I'll further go out on a limb here to state that due to the Swiss parts and labor that the Swiss military will have the same % of UD that Glock would have had. I'll say the unspoken here. Indian parts are made due to their culture's perception of precision. Just as Plastic Surgery tourists found out the hard way that Indian doctors and Indian nurses in India are not the same as Indian doctors & nurses in the US. They came back home to the USofA with some weird antibiotic shit from the staff washing syringes and surgery implements off in the stream behind the hospital and Lequita Dasha Jackson-Ohumo with 5th grade reading skill and earbud permanently installed blasting whatever at 120 decibels are not as focused on turning out precision tools as the kids of watch makers. My 2¢, Quoted: Quoted: Maybe the Swiss situation will involve some tweakage that will mitigate the issue on theirs - though I have my doubts. I'll say the unspoken here. Indian parts are made due to their culture's perception of precision. Just as Plastic Surgery tourists found out the hard way that Indian doctors and Indian nurses in India are not the same as Indian doctors & nurses in the US. They came back home to the USofA with some weird antibiotic shit from the staff washing syringes and surgery implements off in the stream behind the hospital and Lequita Dasha Jackson-Ohumo with 5th grade reading skill and earbud permanently installed blasting whatever at 120 decibels are not as focused on turning out precision tools as the kids of watch makers. My 2¢, I'll give you a solid maybe on that one. Most of the posts I don't - so take that as actually a high mark! 
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Quoted: Lol, if your side gets to bandy about that 400 number, mine at least gets to point out that simply believing the story behind each incident on its face because obviously nobody would ever lie about that is, well....kinda naive. Quoted: Quoted: Hello, Ron. Lol, if your side gets to bandy about that 400 number, mine at least gets to point out that simply believing the story behind each incident on its face because obviously nobody would ever lie about that is, well....kinda naive. Except there are numerous videos of dudes not finger banging their guns when they went off, and not all of those were the typical dumbassery of morons using the wrong holster. The sheer number of incidents leads one to believe there is an issue; one that is difficult to discern, let alone repeat. |
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Quoted: Except there are numerous videos of dudes not finger banging their guns when they went off, and not all of those were the typical dumbassery of morons using the wrong holster. The sheer number of incidents leads one to believe there is an issue; one that is difficult to discern, let alone repeat. "The fact that they're going off is proof that they're going off"- some internet engagement hacking grifter |
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Quoted: So you believe everything you read on the internet? I didn't believe this: Attached File |
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Quoted: No need of such accusations, Sig can easily fill that order from US police surplus pistols. Quoted: Quoted: Where's the hate cult here to suggest that Sig hired a bunch of retired admirals and generals from the Swiss military to secure the contract? No need of such accusations, Sig can easily fill that order from US police surplus pistols. Snort.. |
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Quoted: Does Sig pay you for each post or is it a flat rate setup? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Neat! Their legs will look like their cheese. So you believe everything you read on the internet? Does Sig pay you for each post or is it a flat rate setup? Most of the time I'm rare to call out something as a shill account. Usually the passionately fooled are the best advocates as their identity topic is so embedded they are threatened by and attack that which shows it to be false they've been wrong and a fool this whole time. and their identity choice of pistol can't possibly be bad, despite new incident after new incident. The inability to rewiring your belief system and admitting you were wrong, explains a whoooollle lot of shit in life. But in this case... man. |
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I'm guessing being able to make them in Switzerland a was big factor, and the Swiss usually like to have their small arms produced locally so they can try to remain neutral as possible. Add in the fact SIG AG and SIG USA are owned by the same holding company, (and I bet glock was not willing to let them be made in Switzerland) its clear why they chose it. Would they been better off selecting the P365? maybe. Now will SIG AG make a better quality gun? maybe. Will that fix possible issues? Maybe. Its hard to say exactly why we are seeing P320s going off, manufacturing defects, poor handling, or any combination of them. I do think we see a lot of P320 NDs because it is a pretty popular gun, but so is the Glock, so who knows. |
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Quoted: Are you guys getting paid? Serious question It’s a little odd that the same posters defending Sig suddenly appear in every P320 thread…. Either they’re obsessive in their journey to defend their beloved pistol, or Sig is going balls deep in the PR game and paying shills. Either is possible at this point. |
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Quoted: 50,000 x 0.01 = 500 500!!!! That's a fucking BATTALION with SIG leg! Quoted: Quoted: For a 0.01% chance that there is a legitimate issue and an ND? No, the Swiss are smarter than your Ukbros. 50,000 x 0.01 = 500 500!!!! That's a fucking BATTALION with SIG leg! No, it's a fire team. 1 % is your x. 0.01. Try 50,000 x 0.0001 = 5. I'm sure those 5 troops won't appreciate carrying a gun made by the lowest bidder. |
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Quoted: Yes they did. Quoted: Quoted: Didn't Sig actually change their manual to say "Do NOT keep a round in the chamber unless shooting.??? Yes they did. Attached File Also, don't be rough with it. Attached File |
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I watched a Glock go sliding across a parking lot and it didn’t go off. Says something about the Glock and the sig. |
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Quoted: Glock was famous for dropping theirs out of a helicopter. Quoted: Quoted: I watched a Glock go sliding across a parking lot and it didn’t go off. Says something about the Glock and the sig. Glock was famous for dropping theirs out of a helicopter. Some years ago a member here dropped a Glock out of an airplane without a problem. |
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Quoted: They keep getting contract after contract for some weird reason. Quoted: Quoted: There must be some serious money coming in the back door for this decision. They keep getting contract after contract for some weird reason. They price em low b/c it costs em very little to produce. Very attractive to institutional buyers. |
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Quoted: If I wanted that garbage I could just buy a PD trade in now Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The important question of course being will we get Swiss surplus 220's? Wait a few years and we'll get Swiss surplus 320s. If I wanted that garbage I could just buy a PD trade in now Be very interesting if Swiss MIM turns out to be substantially better than Indian MIM, and the Swiss end up having no issues w/ their domestically produced 320s. |
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Quoted: 50,000 x 0.01 = 500 500!!!! That's a fucking BATTALION with SIG leg! Quoted: Quoted: For a 0.01% chance that there is a legitimate issue and an ND? No, the Swiss are smarter than your Ukbros. 50,000 x 0.01 = 500 500!!!! That's a fucking BATTALION with SIG leg! Math is hard. You just calculated 1%. 100%=1 10%=0.1 1%=0.01 0.01%=0.0001 50,000 x 0.0001 = 5 Or, if you prefer fractions 10%=1/10 1%=1/100 0.01%=1/10,000 50,000/10,000=5 |