[ARCHIVED THREAD] - The P320 beats out Gluck and HK (Page 2 of 3)
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Quoted: Because it is the most logical choice Quoted: Quoted: Pants on head retarded in this day and age. Why would any organization go with the 320? Because it is the most logical choice If you want to have random UDs and have to carry unloaded, sure. There's plenty of documented evidence that the pistols can and do fire on their own as in captured on camera. |
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Quoted: Holy shit . That sounds like a soup sandwich. Quoted: Quoted: did anyone actually read the article? Only the G45 technically met the requirements, but sig still won out by promising the guns are actually safe and would make any fixes required while in service  Holy shit . That sounds like a soup sandwich. "Only the Glock G45 met all the criteria but wasn’t chosen." Typical trade study manipulation. Or it could be because the Swiss got EU-bludgeoned into egalitarian voting & thus service rules, so traditional hard positional rationality takes a back seat to fashion and herd mentality. |
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Quoted: Because it is the most logical choice ETA: LOL Uh huh, or Swiss politicians and military leaders are cool with Swiss service members getting shot so they can appear to support a Swiss manufacturer. So logical it defeated the Glock 45, even though it didn’t. 
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Quoted: Hmm. Maybe the Swiss aren't as rife with people who mishandle their guns, have a negligent discharge, and then lie about it. ?? Attached File |
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Quoted: If you want to have random UDs and have to carry unloaded, sure. There's plenty of documented evidence that the pistols can and do fire on their own as in captured on camera. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Pants on head retarded in this day and age. Why would any organization go with the 320? Because it is the most logical choice If you want to have random UDs and have to carry unloaded, sure. There's plenty of documented evidence that the pistols can and do fire on their own as in captured on camera. Do you realize what you are saying here? ETA: LOL ETA: If you are ever in NE TX, look me up, we'll go shootin' |
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Quoted: If you want to have random UDs and have to carry unloaded, sure. There's plenty of documented evidence that the pistols can and do fire on their own as in captured on camera. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Pants on head retarded in this day and age. Why would any organization go with the 320? Because it is the most logical choice If you want to have random UDs and have to carry unloaded, sure. There's plenty of documented evidence that the pistols can and do fire on their own as in captured on camera. No no - all those video's are all made up. Made up by LIARS!! who are covering up for their own Neglegence. Neglegence of owning a P320, but there it is. There are posters on this thread who's just shredding their low credibility right now. |
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Quoted: No no - all those video's are all made up. Made up by LIARS!! who are covering up for their own Neglegence. Neglegence of owning a P320, but there it is. There are posters on this thread who's just shredding their low credibility right now. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Pants on head retarded in this day and age. Why would any organization go with the 320? Because it is the most logical choice If you want to have random UDs and have to carry unloaded, sure. There's plenty of documented evidence that the pistols can and do fire on their own as in captured on camera. No no - all those video's are all made up. Made up by LIARS!! who are covering up for their own Neglegence. Neglegence of owning a P320, but there it is. There are posters on this thread who's just shredding their low credibility right now. Yes Sir, that right there! ETA: LOL |
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Quoted: For a 0.01% chance that there is a legitimate issue and an ND? No, the Swiss are smarter than your Ukbros. Quoted: Quoted: Did they factor in hospitalizations and civil liabiiity?  For a 0.01% chance that there is a legitimate issue and an ND? No, the Swiss are smarter than your Ukbros. UD, not ND. NDs can happen with any pistol. UDs are strangely only linked to Sig right now. |
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Quoted: UD, not ND. NDs can happen with any pistol. UDs are strangely only linked to Sig right now. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Did they factor in hospitalizations and civil liabiiity? For a 0.01% chance that there is a legitimate issue and an ND? No, the Swiss are smarter than your Ukbros. UD, not ND. NDs can happen with any pistol. UDs are strangely only linked to Sig right now. That is your opinion, not fact. You can use UD, I will use ND and we can agree to disagree. |
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Quoted: Lol, if your side gets to bandy about that 400 number, mine at least gets to point out that simply believing the story behind each incident on its face because obviously nobody would ever lie about that is, well....kinda naive. You would have to believe that 320 users are disproportionate liars and retards. Given the way they defend Sig, you might be on to something. |
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Quoted: Where's the hate cult here to suggest that Sig hired a bunch of retired admirals and generals from the Swiss military to secure the contract?  IYK,YK. |
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Quoted: That is your opinion, not fact. You can use UD, I will use ND and we can agree to disagree. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Did they factor in hospitalizations and civil liabiiity? For a 0.01% chance that there is a legitimate issue and an ND? No, the Swiss are smarter than your Ukbros. UD, not ND. NDs can happen with any pistol. UDs are strangely only linked to Sig right now. That is your opinion, not fact. You can use UD, I will use ND and we can agree to disagree. Are you guys getting paid? Serious question |
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Quoted: No no - all those video's are all made up. Made up by LIARS!! who are covering up for their own Neglegence. Neglegence of owning a P320, but there it is. There are posters on this thread who's just shredding their low credibility right now. It's your coat, it's your holster, it's your shirt, it's your tourniquet holder . I guess there will never be enough videos to convince some people |
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Quoted: That is your opinion, not fact. You can use UD, I will use ND and we can agree to disagree. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Did they factor in hospitalizations and civil liabiiity? For a 0.01% chance that there is a legitimate issue and an ND? No, the Swiss are smarter than your Ukbros. UD, not ND. NDs can happen with any pistol. UDs are strangely only linked to Sig right now. That is your opinion, not fact. You can use UD, I will use ND and we can agree to disagree. When it has been documented multiple times on camera it goes beyond opinion. There’s a bit of difference between an ND and a UD and it involves the human element-negligence. |
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Quoted: Ford had a bunch of bad paint jobs in the 80s. If you complained and lived in Az they blamed the sun, if you lived in Florida they blamed salt air . It's your coat, it's your holster, it's your shirt, it's your tourniquet holder . I guess there will never be enough videos to convince some people Quoted: Quoted: No no - all those video's are all made up. Made up by LIARS!! who are covering up for their own Neglegence. Neglegence of owning a P320, but there it is. There are posters on this thread who's just shredding their low credibility right now. It's your coat, it's your holster, it's your shirt, it's your tourniquet holder . I guess there will never be enough videos to convince some people Criss-cross applesauce - and lint. Dryer lint, belly button lint... |
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Quoted: Lol, if your side gets to bandy about that 400 number, mine at least gets to point out that simply believing the story behind each incident on its face because obviously nobody would ever lie about that is, well....kinda naive. Where are all the videos of Glocks, Walthers, Smiths,and HKs going off? |
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Quoted: Where are all the videos of Glocks, Walthers, Smiths,and HKs going off? Quoted: Quoted: Lol, if your side gets to bandy about that 400 number, mine at least gets to point out that simply believing the story behind each incident on its face because obviously nobody would ever lie about that is, well....kinda naive. Where are all the videos of Glocks, Walthers, Smiths,and HKs going off? this will get a dissmissal quip of reply. I don't know what the Heck is going on, but the replies and answers on this thread are f'ing weird with an almost structured looking dismissal and mockery attempts at the obvious pile of evidence and statistical HOLY SHIT, that yes - there is a problem. Maybe the Swiss situation will involve some tweakage that will mitigate the issue on theirs - though I have my doubts. |
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Quoted: No no - all those video's are all made up. Made up by LIARS!! who are covering up for their own Neglegence. Neglegence of owning a P320, but there it is. There are posters on this thread who's just shredding their low credibility right now. IT'S ALL NOTHING BUT A WITCH HUNT & "FAKE NEWS" BY THE LAMESTREAM MEDIA & DEMOCRATS WHO HATE AMERICA & AMERICAN COMPANIES AND ARE LYING ABOUT OUR WONDERFUL AND BEAUTIFUL AMERICAN PISTOL. IN FACT THE SIG 320 IS SO GREAT AND SO AMAZING IT IS THE CHOICE OF THE WONDERFUL AMERICAN MILITARY, WHO HAS NEVER BEEN DEFEATED - EXCEPT WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS PRESIDENT. ONLY AMERICA HATING LYING LEFTISTS & ILLEGAL INVADERS WHO DON'T WANT AMERICA MADE GREAT AGAIN WOULD MAKE UP LIES AND SPREAD SUCH SEDITIOUS "FAKE NEWS" CLEARLY DESIGNED TO DEFAME A WONDERFUL AMERICAN PISTOL. IT'S SUCH A GREAT PISTOL. IT REALLY REALLY IS. IT IS SUCH A GREAT AMERICAN PISTOL THAT IS THE CHOICE OF OUR AMAZING AND BRAVE AMERICAN FIGHTING MEN AND THUS THE ENVY OF THE REST OF THE WORLD. DO NOT EVER BELIEVE THE LAMESTREAM MEDIA LIES & "FAKE NEWS" ABOUT THE SIG 320 BEING A "BAD" PISTOL. WHY THE GREAT AMERICAN SIG 320 PISTOL IS SO WONDERFUL THAT THEY HAVE ALL BEEN GIVEN FULL PRESIDENTIAL PARDONS - NOT THAT THEY EVER EVER DID ANYTHING BAD ... Bigger_Hammer  @lazyengineer |
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Quoted: Because serious organizations base their decisions on actual test results and not random internet memes? "The SIG Sauer did not fulfil one technical requirement and also led to “non-approval for troop suitability”. However, all safety-relevant aspects were assured. The manufacturer has now promised “binding” improvements. According to a review, the new service pistol has the lowest total costs compared to the other test models" Testing to pick the cheapest option that they deemed not approved for troop use. Very serious. |
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Quoted: Neat! Their legs will look like their cheese. Attached File |
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Quoted: I’d love to know what “one technical requirement” the Sig failed to provide (but still was selected somehow) I would imagine since the Glock and HK have the trigger safety that Sig does not would be the difference. Sig has had the "glock style" trigger safety all along and just stopped offering it in 2017. I bet Sig will change the trigger out and that promise with a lower price won the contract. |
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Quoted: The Swiss would rather just save $350+ per unit on 150k examples and deal with the uncommand circumcisions, random balls blasted off reports and wrongful death lawsuits. Kinda like the GM ignition switch "We did a through cost to benefit analysis of costs of both options & determined spending a few dollars a unitto put a simple crash protection shield to prevent ruptured gas tanks & post crash fires from engulfing people inside our new Ford Pinto is more expensive than just paying off the families of those killed & maimed in such fires ??". Some Executive bean counter at Ford Motor Company burning in Hell.  Bigger_Hammer
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Quoted: Because serious organizations base their decisions on actual test results and not random internet memes? With the vast video evidence available today, you Sigbros are just sad. I have to side with a prior poster and ask, are you getting paid? Serious question. |
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Quoted: Because serious organizations base their decisions on actual test results and not random internet memes? Quoted: Quoted: Pants on head retarded in this day and age. Why would any organization go with the 320? Because serious organizations base their decisions on actual test results and not random internet memes? Because all the serious organza that have banned it, are retards? But the ones that buy it, do so after careful consideration? Like the highly questionably done half assed US Army test program that got short cut? Sort of just like how the Swiss overruled their own requirements? The Swiss are perfect? As they equip their country with the population of New Jersey? |
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Quoted: Well... that's about to change. Quoted: Quoted: Hmm. Maybe the Swiss aren't as rife with people who mishandle their guns, have a negligent discharge, and then lie about it. ?? Well... that's about to change. Guess we're gonna find out soon enough. How many un commanded discharges has the US military had? Other than the one where the airmen straight up shot a fellow airmen in the chest and lied about it? I'm not saying this hasn't happened and isnt an issue. I just think a shit load NDs have called UDs as an easy cover story. |
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Quoted: Guess we're gonna find out soon enough. How many un commanded discharges has the US military had? Other than the one where the airmen straight up shot a fellow airmen in the chest and lied about it? I'm not saying this hasn't happened and isnt an issue. I just think a shit load NDs have called UDs as an easy cover story. You act like you know this topic, and think that's the only documented military case of a P320 going off? It's not. Pointing out the questionable claims as proof that all the claims are questionable, ain't proof. There are plenty of non-questionable claims of P320's going off. Someone bandwagoning and saying that's why theirs went off too, doesn't dismiss that. I'm not doing your research- it's been posted plenty of times, and selectively ignored so many times - I'll just let you find it of legit, as opposed to the classic 'Prove It!' Work assignment that will be ignored no matter what - that's so classic to this shit |
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Quoted: The 320 won because of the shake-awake striker. Glock and HK require a trigger press to go bang. That is so last century. Attached File |
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Quoted: this will get a dissmissal quip of reply. I don't know what the Heck is going on, but the replies and answers on this thread are f'ing weird with an almost structured looking dismissal and mockery attempts at the obvious pile of evidence and statistical HOLY SHIT, that yes - there is a problem. Maybe the Swiss situation will involve some tweakage that will mitigate the issue on theirs - though I have my doubts. Honestly, Sig and their biggest fans handling of this and attempting to gaslight the firearm industry are why this has become such a big issue. Had they said “our bad we’re issuing a recall/voluntary upgrade program” and moved on with life. The memes and mocking of the 320 wouldn’t be near as common. It would have just drifted away into memory like any time other manufacturers have had issues. |
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Quoted: Honestly, Sig and their biggest fans handling of this and attempting to gaslight the firearm industry are why this has become such a big issue. Had they said “our bad we’re issuing a recall/voluntary upgrade program” and moved on with life. The memes and mocking of the 320 wouldn’t be near as common. It would have just drifted away into memory like any time it’s happened with other manufacturers. This is exactly the problem. Had sig owned up and fixed it (or tried) there wouldn’t be the fanfare. But here we are It eNDs today |
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Quoted: Honestly, Sig and their biggest fans handling of this and attempting to gaslight the firearm industry are why this has become such a big issue. Had they said “our bad we’re issuing a recall/voluntary upgrade program” and moved on with life. The memes and mocking of the 320 wouldn’t be near as common. It would have just drifted away into memory like any time other manufacturers have had issues. What I love about this whole thread, is that the criteria of it winning was being the cheapest POS on the table. That didn't even meet spec. But, F'it - manufacturer pinky-promised that they'll fix the safety issue if it comes up. Literally, that's what it says. They bought Sig's promise - a company with zero credibility, making a say-anything-sign-here-please, promise?? Holy fuck. |