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Posted: 1/1/2016 2:02:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What defines a "drone"? Just being able to fly and having a camera on board streaming back to the controller? It is every model aircraft (flying object) that ways 0.55lbs to 55lbs. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 2:03:15 PM EDT
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Our nation's leaders should not live in an impenetrable bubble, while simultaneously working against everyday American's right to self-defense.
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Posted: 1/1/2016 2:04:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What defines a "drone"? Just being able to fly and having a camera on board streaming back to the controller? BTW I don't see how they can enforce these "rules/laws" worth a damn. Regulatory law is getting more and more annoying to citizens since it's all because the "powers that be" just don't want you to do something.. I think more and more people are beginning to get the "fuck you" attitude. that's right.... 1/2 a pound foam airplanes like this are now regulated.  |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 2:05:00 PM EDT
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This seems like a great thread to ask this question. It came to me after the one quadcopter crashed on the White House lawn.
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Posted: 1/1/2016 2:05:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What defines a "drone"? Just being able to fly and having a camera on board streaming back to the controller? BTW I don't see how they can enforce these "rules/laws" worth a damn. Regulatory law is getting more and more annoying to citizens since it's all because the "powers that be" just don't want you to do something.. I think more and more people are beginning to get the "fuck you" attitude. Anything that flies over .55 lbs and under 55, with control input from a pilot. Basically anything radio control. Even a kite could be considered one, it doesn't matter if it is tethered or not. It's like the ATF saying anything that makes a loud noise is a gun. https://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/ |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 2:08:23 PM EDT
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The shittiest part of this is that there are kids who live in the suburbs outside of DC, who got a toy drone for Christmas, and like two days after Christmas the government decides it's illegal to fly the thing in their back yard. Talk about a total fuck you.
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Posted: 1/1/2016 2:16:21 PM EDT
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A small piece of me is happy.
The more people the government fucks over, the closer we are to some change. Model aircraft owners are not the most firearm friendly at times, and this has the, feeling just like firearm owners have felt for a very long time. They feel the sting of the government tsking your love away with the stroke of a pen. And for the record, I have been flying RC for the last 25 years, so I a, very pro RC. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 2:17:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The shittiest part of this is that there are kids who live in the suburbs outside of DC, who got a toy drone for Christmas, and like two days after Christmas the government decides it's illegal to fly the thing in their back yard. Talk about a total fuck you. Sucks to say, but I think it's great tens of thousands of people just got a primer on what more government looks like. I hope some poor kid from the inner projects gets nailed with a hefty fine and it gets spread all over the news. The unwashed masses need a bath. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 2:19:25 PM EDT
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Who cares? This is what happens when anyone can do something. All the idiots end up screw it up for the large majority. It's part of aviation, stop bitching about it and get used to it.
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Posted: 1/1/2016 2:20:26 PM EDT
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So that'll stop some nut from flying his "drone" around the White House..........? No, but it sure has hell makes it easier to find and track when NO ONE is supposed to be flying. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 2:20:26 PM EDT
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Is it a demand or a request? Sounds like a request that will be enforced by law enforcement. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 2:27:04 PM EDT
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Meanwhile heli and model aircraft are allowed to fly. AmIRight? You would be wrong. Any RC model aircraft over .55 lbs qualifies under the FAA edict as a "drone". The FAA edict is in direct conflict with legislation passed by congress in 2012. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 2:27:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who cares? This is what happens when anyone can do something. All the idiots end up screw it up for the large majority. It's part of aviation, stop bitching about it and get used to it.  Why don't you run back to DU? |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 2:33:26 PM EDT
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Anything that flies over .55 lbs and under 55, with control input from a pilot. Basically anything radio control. Even a kite could be considered one, it doesn't matter if it is tethered or not. It's like the ATF saying anything that makes a loud noise is a gun. https://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What defines a "drone"? Just being able to fly and having a camera on board streaming back to the controller? BTW I don't see how they can enforce these "rules/laws" worth a damn. Regulatory law is getting more and more annoying to citizens since it's all because the "powers that be" just don't want you to do something.. I think more and more people are beginning to get the "fuck you" attitude. Anything that flies over .55 lbs and under 55, with control input from a pilot. Basically anything radio control. Even a kite could be considered one, it doesn't matter if it is tethered or not. It's like the ATF saying anything that makes a loud noise is a gun. https://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/ Unacceptable. I will agree with the guy that said a little part of him is happy. Regulatory law has gotten way the fuck out of hand.
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Posted: 1/1/2016 2:33:33 PM EDT
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Well, until January 15th you are still free to tell the FAA how you feel. I suggest everyone do so.
http://1.usa.gov/1Jegj0C |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 2:34:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "We're from the government, and we'll help you fly safely." Pricks. As of midnight last night, I am no longer AMA Member #998XXX. Fuck 'em. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 2:37:41 PM EDT
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Mean while the people doing the banning are also the ones wanting to import people who would be likely to try to kill someone with a drone in the first place. He's right, you know. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 2:40:03 PM EDT
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Good for you.. I dropped out of that fake member association back in the early 90's. It's just another good ol boys club...and now an arm of the feds... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"We're from the government, and we'll help you fly safely." Pricks. As of midnight last night, I am no longer AMA Member #998XXX. Fuck 'em. And the government/FAA is going to help you fly anywhere, either? And good luck with obamacare when your prop slices your arm, or someone elses'. Say hello to povertyville, paying for medical bills plus other damages out of your own pocket. Soon this 30 mille exclusion spzone will be 300 miles, then 3000. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 2:44:27 PM EDT
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I don't understand the hate for the AMA. They followed the law and attempted to work with the FAA. Most of the people in the r/c community completely misunderstood the FAA, everyone thought the FAA was looking for common sense regulations. Most of the people in the gun community understand what "common sense" means. 
On the upside, there are now a million + new people that have a new understanding of "common sense laws". I follow a few drone/legal pages on Facebook and as I read I keep thinking that these guys are like us but without an NRA or 2A rights. I have been waiting for the hammer to fall on them as they continually appease .gov and rat each other out to the FAA for shooting commercial video and posting it without a form 333. It was like watching the ATF sig brace letter campaign all over again. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 2:49:27 PM EDT
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Unacceptable. I will agree with the guy that said a little part of him is happy. Regulatory law has gotten way the fuck out of hand.
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What defines a "drone"? Just being able to fly and having a camera on board streaming back to the controller? BTW I don't see how they can enforce these "rules/laws" worth a damn. Regulatory law is getting more and more annoying to citizens since it's all because the "powers that be" just don't want you to do something.. I think more and more people are beginning to get the "fuck you" attitude. Anything that flies over .55 lbs and under 55, with control input from a pilot. Basically anything radio control. Even a kite could be considered one, it doesn't matter if it is tethered or not. It's like the ATF saying anything that makes a loud noise is a gun. https://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/ Unacceptable. I will agree with the guy that said a little part of him is happy. Regulatory law has gotten way the fuck out of hand.
My buddy sells vaping supplies as a side business. The FDA is after this industry and last night I saw some woman on FB posting in tears about an upcoming cease and desist order from the FDA for selling home made craft soap. Both have small business licenses and pay taxes on their earnings. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 2:56:54 PM EDT
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Million drone flight over D.C.
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Posted: 1/1/2016 3:01:54 PM EDT
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If you like your drone, you can keep your drone.
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Posted: 1/1/2016 3:02:16 PM EDT
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Call it a recon drone for you militia and get it covered under 2a? Anyone? Anyone?
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Posted: 1/1/2016 3:07:00 PM EDT
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This seems like a great thread to ask this question. It came to me after the one quadcopter crashed on the White House lawn. This is a hypothetical situation that I'm not suggesting anyone do. What would the response be to this scenario. It's night at the White House where someone routine event is going on when 6 drones with laser pointers strapped to them lifted off, flew towards the White House and flew over the fence? These are cheap quads with cheap FPV systems. The laser pointers would have to be assumed as a threat. Would a Phalanx pop up and try to take them out? Can a Phalanx even see a 1/2 point piece of plastic? Jamming the 2.4Ghz radio signal would probably cause them all to land on their own although a homemade quad to built that would just hold altitude and hover until the battery died. EMP blast? no. backdrop. the office and apartment buildings located behind and beyond the drone get shredded and 25 people die. ar-jedi |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 3:08:35 PM EDT
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Government... Lol
This is one of those times I love living where I do |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 3:08:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I follow a few drone/legal pages on Facebook and as I read I keep thinking that these guys are like us but without an NRA or 2A rights. I have been waiting for the hammer to fall on them as they continually appease .gov and rat each other out to the FAA for shooting commercial video and posting it without a form 333. It was like watching the ATF sig brace letter campaign all over again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't understand the hate for the AMA. They followed the law and attempted to work with the FAA. Most of the people in the r/c community completely misunderstood the FAA, everyone thought the FAA was looking for common sense regulations. Most of the people in the gun community understand what "common sense" means. On the upside, there are now a million + new people that have a new understanding of "common sense laws". I follow a few drone/legal pages on Facebook and as I read I keep thinking that these guys are like us but without an NRA or 2A rights. I have been waiting for the hammer to fall on them as they continually appease .gov and rat each other out to the FAA for shooting commercial video and posting it without a form 333. It was like watching the ATF sig brace letter campaign all over again. It has been interesting to watch. I have flown R/C for about 30 years and just now getting into the FPV part of things. They are two separate groups. There is a lot of crossover of course, but there are a lot of FPV guys that have no ties to model aviation or the AMA. It is a bit like the fudds and the EBR guys. The shakeout is going to be interesting. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 3:14:41 PM EDT
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Who cares? This is what happens when anyone can do something. All the idiots end up screw it up for the large majority. It's part of aviation, stop bitching about it and get used to it. I don't like you. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 3:15:44 PM EDT
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Who can enforce the new rules? Can the average police officer do that or does someone from the FAA need to be there to enforce it? They're sending flyers to local PD's all across this great land of ours. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 4:14:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They're sending flyers to local PD's all across this great land of ours. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Who can enforce the new rules? Can the average police officer do that or does someone from the FAA need to be there to enforce it? They're sending flyers to local PD's all across this great land of ours.  I'm sure every cop can't wait to be the first to arrest little Johnny for flying his unregistered drone. #DronePilotsMatter |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 4:17:39 PM EDT
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I'm sure every cop can't wait to be the first to arrest little Johnny for flying his unregistered drone. #DronePilotsMatter Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who can enforce the new rules? Can the average police officer do that or does someone from the FAA need to be there to enforce it? They're sending flyers to local PD's all across this great land of ours.
I'm sure every cop can't wait to be the first to arrest little Johnny for flying his unregistered drone. #DronePilotsMatter I can see them lining up to enforce federal regulations on matters that they have had no more training on than a smart card. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 4:32:27 PM EDT
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You mean the SIG on the wing of my Flitestreak...
Was referring to a 226 ? |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 4:36:22 PM EDT
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I love how the AMA tried to get in bed with the FAA. All they got was bent over the table and fucked in the ass. FFAA and FAMA All organizations that choose to suck govt. dick should take note. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 4:38:58 PM EDT
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I can imagine how that went down:
"Hi, we're from the FAA, we're here to help! By the way your club is shut down." There is a saying that the FAA is not happy until you're not happy. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 4:41:01 PM EDT
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Who cares? This is what happens when anyone can do something. All the idiots end up screw it up for the large majority. It's part of aviation, stop bitching about it and get used to it. This is the felating mindset that got us "compromise" on guns. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 4:48:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anything that flies over .55 lbs and under 55, with control input from a pilot. Basically anything radio control. Even a kite could be considered one, it doesn't matter if it is tethered or not. It's like the ATF saying anything that makes a loud noise is a gun. https://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What defines a "drone"? Just being able to fly and having a camera on board streaming back to the controller? BTW I don't see how they can enforce these "rules/laws" worth a damn. Regulatory law is getting more and more annoying to citizens since it's all because the "powers that be" just don't want you to do something.. I think more and more people are beginning to get the "fuck you" attitude. Anything that flies over .55 lbs and under 55, with control input from a pilot. Basically anything radio control. Even a kite could be considered one, it doesn't matter if it is tethered or not. It's like the ATF saying anything that makes a loud noise is a gun. https://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/ So a 60 lb. big-ass model would be GTG?  |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 4:53:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So a 60 lb. big-ass model would be GTG? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What defines a "drone"? Just being able to fly and having a camera on board streaming back to the controller? BTW I don't see how they can enforce these "rules/laws" worth a damn. Regulatory law is getting more and more annoying to citizens since it's all because the "powers that be" just don't want you to do something.. I think more and more people are beginning to get the "fuck you" attitude. Anything that flies over .55 lbs and under 55, with control input from a pilot. Basically anything radio control. Even a kite could be considered one, it doesn't matter if it is tethered or not. It's like the ATF saying anything that makes a loud noise is a gun. https://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/ So a 60 lb. big-ass model would be GTG? Different rules, but yes. And ironically, as I read it, if I program a "drone" to fly a completely automated flight because it doesn't require any interaction with a "pilot". This is an AWB level of stupid from the FAA. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 4:53:11 PM EDT
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It only takes a couple assholes to screw a good thing up for everyone else.
There were murmurings years ago, when auto stabilizing electronics were first making their inroads to our hobby. Giving know-nothings the power to control miniature planes that flew 100+ mph with capabilities to pierce right through a car body, that required no skill thought nor training and very little money, if ran by a misguided brain, was probably going to be a bad idea. Turns out it was. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 4:56:01 PM EDT
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If you didn't know why the capitol looks like this
It's because someone flew their RC flying saucer into it 
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Posted: 1/1/2016 5:02:18 PM EDT
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If I've learned anything in GD its that if something bad is happening people in GD will tell you to "just move".
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Posted: 1/1/2016 5:04:32 PM EDT
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Sucks to say, but I think it's great tens of thousands of people just got a primer on what more government looks like. I hope some poor kid from the inner projects gets nailed with a hefty fine and it gets spread all over the news. The unwashed masses need a bath. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The shittiest part of this is that there are kids who live in the suburbs outside of DC, who got a toy drone for Christmas, and like two days after Christmas the government decides it's illegal to fly the thing in their back yard. Talk about a total fuck you. Sucks to say, but I think it's great tens of thousands of people just got a primer on what more government looks like. I hope some poor kid from the inner projects gets nailed with a hefty fine and it gets spread all over the news. The unwashed masses need a bath. If history is any example,"we" will roll over and take it like we have everything else.
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Posted: 1/1/2016 5:04:40 PM EDT
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It only takes a couple assholes to screw a good thing up for everyone else. There were murmurings years ago, when auto stabilizing electronics were first making their inroads to our hobby. Giving know-nothings the power to control miniature planes that flew 100+ mph with capabilities to pierce right through a car body, that required no skill thought nor training and very little money, if ran by a misguided brain, was probably going to be a bad idea. Turns out it was. [handwringing]OMG stop the technology because it might outpace personal responsibility.[/handwringing] Maybe it was a bad idea to add sights to rifles because one or two assholes might screw up a good thing for everyone else. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 5:06:45 PM EDT
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My buddy sells vaping supplies as a side business. The FDA is after this industry and last night I saw some woman on FB posting in tears about an upcoming cease and desist order from the FDA for selling home made craft soap. Both have small business licenses and pay taxes on their earnings. "Anything not under government control is,by definition,out of control"
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Posted: 1/1/2016 5:07:50 PM EDT
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If I've learned anything in GD its that if something bad is happening people in GD will tell you to "just move".
So true. Its always the assholes that live 2 miles from their birthplace that say it the loudest, like they somehow chose where to be born. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 5:08:04 PM EDT
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by mid January it will be a seen as a success and pushed to ALL airports in the nation....this will shut down drone use in the US.
This link shows 485 just in the state of Missouri. So, you place that 30 mile buffer zone and there is no place to fly in this state. http://www.airport-data.com/usa-airports/state/Missouri.html |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 5:11:26 PM EDT
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So true. Its always the assholes that live 2 miles from their birthplace that say it the loudest, like they somehow chose where to be born. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I've learned anything in GD its that if something bad is happening people in GD will tell you to "just move".
So true. Its always the assholes that live 2 miles from their birthplace that say it the loudest, like they somehow chose where to be born. You should move. Born and raised upstate and left 14 years ago.Wasn't the easiest thing to do,but staying on a sinking ship isn't the answer. NY is lost (has been for a long time).Your vote is completely wasted there and should be taken to another state where it could be of help. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 5:18:57 PM EDT
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I really do wish people would stop calling them "drones".
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Posted: 1/1/2016 5:21:09 PM EDT
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Call it a recon drone for you militia and get it covered under 2a? Anyone? Anyone? Sure just like your machine guns and RPG, unregulated. Gubermens respects constitutionz. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 5:23:55 PM EDT
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No, but it sure has hell makes it easier to find and track when NO ONE is supposed to be flying. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So that'll stop some nut from flying his "drone" around the White House..........? No, but it sure has hell makes it easier to find and track when NO ONE is supposed to be flying. Uh no.... How is it going to make it easier to track when the "drone" can literally be launched/flown from absolutely anywhere? Some nut isn't going worry about going to his local R/C field to launch his drone, helicopter or plane. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 5:31:02 PM EDT
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Drones are banned but terrorist operators get green cards....ok a little off
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Posted: 1/1/2016 5:34:23 PM EDT
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For a couple of decades the model aircraft hobby was ignored by the FAA and left to self-regulate. It is the explosion of quadcopters that don't have a steep learning curve that broke that paradigm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love how the AMA tried to get in bed with the FAA. All they got was bent over the table and fucked in the ass. FFAA and FAMA For a couple of decades the model aircraft hobby was ignored by the FAA and left to self-regulate. It is the explosion of quadcopters that don't have a steep learning curve that broke that paradigm. The thIng is, Congress,passed a law a year ago in advance of this ruling that remove the FAA 's ability to regulate model aircraft flight. AMA has been playing nice, but there will be a day in court. |
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