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I hated hooking up A-6’s and EA-6B’s to the cat. Loudest and most dangerous with the intakes so close to the front landing gear mount. Our Air Wing had two A-6 squadrons on Ranger. No light attack. VA-145 Swordsmen and VMA-121 “Green Knights”.
I also got to see other A-6 squadrons during my time. VA-52,VA-95, VA-176, and VA-75. Awesome strike capability |
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Weren't they a good air-air refueler and have not been replaced?
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Quoted: That was real. Or a real thing. That was set earlier, and they were flying an A-6A. It had a rotating drum computer that sat between the BN's legs and kept his nuts warm. Some times it got out of alignment or stuck, and the BN kicking it would make it reset the spin calibration. The A-6E had a new solid state computer that was nowhere near as big or error-prone. Edit: looks like I got beat by someone who's been there and done that. Didn't read the whole thread when I replied. View Quote DIANE |
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Quoted: It’s been a few years so let’s bring it back for a third installment. Pictures and stories are welcome. I’ll start with a synopsis. I grew up in Virginia Beach in the 80’s and Grumman jets flew over my house 24/7. Same time that TOP GUN was a huge movie. Most people had a hard on for the F-14. For whatever reason I preferred the look of the A-6 Intruder. It just looked to me like it had bigger balls than the Tomcat. When I eventually learned about the A-6’s mission assignment I was correct. Here is a picture of an odd A-6E of VA-42. Intake markings and Navy/USA insignia painted in a bright gray vs the normal ghost gray scheme. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/349278/764C4B0C-682D-4DAA-9430-9ED1E20BF998_jpe-2367332.JPG I miss this bird. Lucky to have a Father in the Navy so I saw a lot of it being a kid. View Quote That was my first squadron, VA-42 NAS Oceana, VA, the Green Pawns, or green butt-plugs as we so lovingly referred. It was a rag outfit, or training squadron for those that were going to the fleet with A-6's. We were also a mini-depot, the fleet sent us all their jacked up planes and took the one's we would just get flying good again. Upon arrival and seeing the plane for the first time, I thought it was the ugliest aircraft I had ever seen and wondered how I got so "lucky". I was an egress mechanic, dealing with the seats, air-cond, pressurization, canopy, g-suit air supply and other crap. Didn't get to shop until a few months after making plane captain. That plane made good mechanics, you had to get good to fix it, the whole trial by fire thing with a few hints thrown in here and there. Removing hardware from components you couldn't even see and trying to get a 30 lb box out of a hole that was too small unless you turned the part around just the right way. But, I did get to witness a successful ejection of both crew once, so we did get to see the fruits of our labor. A-6 and EA-6B engines were the loudest, especially on the flight deck when you have to be so close. Kept my upper & lower teeth from touching, thought I was going to chip a tooth when they went full throttle on the cats. But I especially enjoyed the Grumman salutes, where one wing wouldn't unfold while taxiing to the cats. We had KA-6D's as well, which were the airborne refueling tankers. We also had the TC-4C G-159's bombardier/navigator (BN) trainers at our squadron, prop jobs that only the contractors worked on, it was ugly as hell too. Then I went to a P-3 squadron in Cali and got a taste of the good life, heck with that boat-life crap. |
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Want to be sure you see this, I wrote a novel. Spent 4 1/2 years in 2 A6A squadron's on Whidbey Island. The rest of my 6 years were A school and AFTA electronics training. When I first got out to the fleet, January 1972 my Squadron VA 145 Swordsman was deployed on the USS Ranger CVA 61. We were bombing North Vietnam. I was an AT2, so worked on Radio, IFF, Radar Altimeter, ICS, Radio scrambler, and later ECM. ECM, Electronic Counter Measures. Remember this was 1972 and we were using tube gear. Solid state gear did not come until after I got out, 1978. All the ECM gear was very heavy and placed in odd places where they could "shoehorn" into the aircraft. All systems were several pieces. The 2 ALQ-100's was a good example. 3 pieces, the 2 bolted together were about 80 pounds each. Then there was the self test unit which was the size of a computer keyboard. This was the counter measure for SAMS. Surface To Air Missile It took the radar guidance signal from the missle, scrambled and amplified it. Then transmitted this strong tampered signal back to the missle causing it to miss the plane. That was the tampering part, gave a false location of the plane. The ALQ-41 was 3 pieces that weighed about 70 pounds each and was the counter measure for Triple A. Anti Aircraft Artillery. The reason I'm given weights is when there was an issue with one of these systems the plane was "down" (could not fly) so was a big deal to get it fixed asap. So first you have to trouble shoot to find what the problem was. 95% of the time it was the gear, the black boxes. Panels were unscrewed to gain access. Normally about 40-50 FH bolts using a "speed handle". We had no power tools at all. Since the different black boxes were tuned as a unit, all of them had to be removed and taken to "the shop" one deck below the flight deck, paperwork filled out. Then you carried it down 3 decks on vertical ladders, about a third of the ships length forward then up an elevator to where you turned it in, and you were issued new boxes. So then you get to carry the boxes to the plane and install them. Then you deck checked them keeping your fingers crossed that they passed. Then reinstalled access panels. If you were issued bad gear, you got to do that all over. Only happened twice to me. They guys fixing the gear were pretty good. I spent all that time in school learning to fix these electronic boxes. Instead I was sent to the AT shop and changed black boxes. That's the military. After cruise was over, we were back home about 10 months before going on the Ranger again. That cruise we bombed Cambodia, was supposed to be a secret at the time. My last 2 years in the Navy I was in VA-128, the training Squadron at Whidbey for new pilots. No sea duty, we would go to Fallon NV couple times a year so the pilots could practice bombing. Those were fun 2 week trips. Liberty in Reno was fun. By this time I was an old salt and knew the plane pretty good. It's in your own interest to be able to troubleshoot fast and correctly as it saved you work. Shortly after I joined VA-128 I was moved to the Troubleshooters crew. This was a coveted job as you were recognized for you knowledge and had a lot of interaction with the pilots as they were checking over a plane before launch.. Very busy or slack sit on your ass time. What we did is sit in a "Bread van" while the planes launched. If these was an issue with a plane, like a hydraulic leak, the Airframes Troubleshooter would be called over by the plane captain. His job was to fix whatever the problem was, or to "down" the plane is the aircraft was unsafe to fly. Lots of responsibility. If I had a problem it was usually the radio, so I would remove it, grab the spare out of the AT shop and change it. Pilots would be happy they could fly, as they wouldn't take off without a radio. This was one the few times in the Navy I was on a good crew, no slackers, we worked hard and played hard. Good supervision, they left us alone. We went to Pensacola a couple months before I got out, so planes could land on the USS Lexington. Ya, that WW2 boat was still around in 1977. It was used as a training boat, so pilots could get their "traps" landings. So I got to go on the 2 week training cruise. It was an old dirty boat but was cool being on a WW2 veteran. They had all of their battle ribbons painted on the side of the Island. They had a lot. As a Trouble shooter I worked on the flight deck, engines are so loud you can't hear anything so your head has to be on a swivel to stay out of trouble. I was "short", getting out soon, so I was nervous and my head never stopped moving. Being on a flight deck during launches was serious business, as sometimes you had to go underneath the aircraft when the engines were turning. The only thing on your mind would be intakes and exhausts, stay away from them, get the job done and stand back out of the way. I'm done. |
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Quoted: The first A-6 prototype model had moveable downward tilting jet exhausts. Wasn't used for production models. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/YA2F-1_tilting_pipes_NAN6-60.jpg View Quote What's the tilt nozzles for? I was in Japan, when the last Sqd of Marines A-6 were there. The unit insignia was the playboy bunny. |
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Quoted: What's the tilt nozzles for? I was in Japan, when the last Sqd of Marines A-6 were there. The unit insignia was the playboy bunny. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The first A-6 prototype model had moveable downward tilting jet exhausts. Wasn't used for production models. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/YA2F-1_tilting_pipes_NAN6-60.jpg What's the tilt nozzles for? I was in Japan, when the last Sqd of Marines A-6 were there. The unit insignia was the playboy bunny. The tilt exhaust was for a shorter take off run. That squadron was probably VMAQ-2. EA-6B Squadron. Attached File Attached File |
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Do any of you vets remember a Lt Morris Steiner? He was my friend and neighbor, flew runs into North Vietnam and generally raised hell from hi stories. And he had a bunch of them. Miss him.
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/349278/F41826C0-BA7F-4E6F-B92E-5AEB0A4DAF70_jpe-2368411.JPG EA-6A View Quote I was AIMD at NASWI when VMAQ-4 finally transitioned from the EA-6A to the -6B, in preparation to deploying for the 1st Gulf War. Of course, everything was over by the time Q-4 got to Iwakuni, and all 3 of VMAQ-2's dets were able to be at home at MCAS Cherry Pt. that year. |
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Bomber pilots make history.
Bad ass jet. Would have loved flying those missions over ‘Nam. Well except for worrying about getting shot down. |
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You could always tell when it was an EA-6B taking off without looking. The single loudest plane I've ever heard.
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Quoted: I grew up in the 80s near Andrew’s Air Force base. Saw a lot of F-4s, C-5 Galaxies, Air Force One, and Marine 1 (which is a helicopter by the way) That said. The F-14 was always on my dream list to see in flight. That didn’t happen until I was 26 years old in 2002 sitting on the beach in Corolla NC. It was like an out of body experience. Tomcat > Intruder Change my mind View Quote The baddest combat plane I ever saw in person was a B1. It’s big, it’s hawt, it’s loud, it has stupid horsepower, and stupid firepower. It’s ‘Murica given wings. |
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Quoted: I was AIMD at NASWI when VMAQ-4 finally transitioned from the EA-6A to the -6B, in preparation to deploying for the 1st Gulf War. Of course, everything was over by the time Q-4 got to Iwakuni, and all 3 of VMAQ-2's dets were able to be at home at MCAS Cherry Pt. that year. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12179/9893CF41-03F6-401B-A64F-CDE8A657BA17-2369136.jpg View Quote That is a sexy bird! I never new the EA-6A wore the ghost gray scheme. |
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Quoted: It’s been a few years so let’s bring it back for a third installment. Pictures and stories are welcome. I’ll start with a synopsis. I grew up in Virginia Beach in the 80’s and Grumman jets flew over my house 24/7. Same time that TOP GUN was a huge movie. Most people had a hard on for the F-14. For whatever reason I preferred the look of the A-6 Intruder. It just looked to me like it had bigger balls than the Tomcat. When I eventually learned about the A-6’s mission assignment I was correct. Here is a picture of an odd A-6E of VA-42. Intake markings and Navy/USA insignia painted in a bright gray vs the normal ghost gray scheme. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/349278/764C4B0C-682D-4DAA-9430-9ED1E20BF998_jpe-2367332.JPG I miss this bird. Lucky to have a Father in the Navy so I saw a lot of it being a kid. View Quote |
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Quoted: I know fighters are supposed to be sexier, but almost all my favorite military aircraft have an "A" designation. Aircraft laden with bombs/rockets/missiles/napalm/guns get me going. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6163/Grumman_A-6A_Intruder_weapon_load_displa-2367804.JPG View Quote It’s because attack aircraft just have so many ways of bringing hate. The pic you posted says it all. “Look at all the myriad ways I can fuck your shit up.” |
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A few years back I was on the fantail of a Navy cruiser underway. An A6 did a low pass at around 100’ near us. I said to a USN Helo pilot standing next to me, “Cool! I wonder what that thing looks like hauling ass?!” He said, “it’ll look the same, just faster!”
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"intruder" is such a harsh name. It sounds very negative and not very inclusive. It needs to be renamed immediately to reflect our collective support of minorites.
I'm literally shaking right now. |
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We shared a flight line with these guys for several weeks back in '89 at Cubi NAS. I took these pics right before they left. Fun times in the O'club.
Attached File Attached File This is us... Attached File |
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Quoted: We shared a flight line with these guys for several weeks back in '89 at Cubi NAS. I took these pics right before they left. Fun times in the O'club. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/68216/A6_Cubi_NAS_89_jpg-2369257.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/68216/EA6_Cubi_NAS_89_jpg-2369259.JPG This is us... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/68216/OV_10_NAS_Cubi_89_jpg-2369260.JPG View Quote cool pics I left PI May 89. I worked in the Naval Magazine. |
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Great thread and I really enjoy reading stories from people with experience.
Blockbuster video had inflatable A6’s when promoting the movie. I planned to steal one but chickened out. That’s all I got. |
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In the late 70s I was stationed at NAS Fallon and worked at the Electronic Warfare Range. I was the LPO of a AN-GPQ T8 AAA fire control radar simulator that was on a bombing range. It was an airshow every day when we weren't running the radars.
An A-6 screaming by low level and dropping 28, 500lb bombs in sequence is a sight to behold. It was called the wall of fire. |
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Quoted: In the late 70s I was stationed at NAS Fallon and worked at the Electronic Warfare Range. I was the LPO of a AN-GPQ T8 AAA fire control radar simulator that was on a bombing range. It was an airshow every day when we weren't running the radars. An A-6 screaming by low level and dropping 28, 500lb bombs in sequence is a sight to behold. It was called the wall of fire. View Quote When you stop and think about it.....that's alot of ordnance from such a relatively small aircraft. 14,000 lbs, or 7 tons.......or nearly the same bomb load as a loaded out B-29? |
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Quoted: When you stop and think about it.....that's alot of ordnance from such a relatively small aircraft. 14,000 lbs, or 7 tons.......or nearly the same bomb load as a loaded out B-29? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: In the late 70s I was stationed at NAS Fallon and worked at the Electronic Warfare Range. I was the LPO of a AN-GPQ T8 AAA fire control radar simulator that was on a bombing range. It was an airshow every day when we weren't running the radars. An A-6 screaming by low level and dropping 28, 500lb bombs in sequence is a sight to behold. It was called the wall of fire. When you stop and think about it.....that's alot of ordnance from such a relatively small aircraft. 14,000 lbs, or 7 tons.......or nearly the same bomb load as a loaded out B-29? The A-6 was quite the bomb hauler. 30 bombs couldn't go on it because they would interfere with the forward main gear doors. Just looked it up. 18,000 pound max ordnance load. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Just like the A-3 and garbage Tomcat you have in your avatar. ETA: read all your posts. You praise the A-6 in one post then shit all over it in your next post. What gives? He's a wannabe. The A-6 was garbage from a maintainers point of view. As a bomb truck it was awesome for the time. |
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Quoted: Shortly after I joined VA-128... View Quote The first time I was at Whidbey (89-92) VA-128 was the RAG. They had a permeant DET at NAF El Centro, MAWS DET. They also went to the TAD to the boat more than some sea going squadrons went on deployment. When I came back in 1999 VA-128 was long gone, but a new EA-6B VAQ EXPD squadron had been stood up, VAQ-128. Before I left Whidbey they too had been decommissioned. VA-128 and VAQ-129 (both RAGS) went to the boat way too much to be called "shore duty". |
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Quoted: The A-6 was garbage from a maintainers point of view. As a bomb truck it was awesome for the time. View Quote My first tour in an EA-6B squadron was as a mech (ADJ). I didn't think it was so bad. Fuel leaks, cracked tail pipes, those damn heat shields, bleed air system. I take it back. Maybe they did suck. I went back to one over 10 years later as an AT. I truly hated the ALQ-99 system. I worked on it I level then O level. Never could keep a clean VIDS Board. |
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Quoted: The first time I was at Whidbey (89-92) VA-128 was the RAG. They had a permeant DET at NAF El Centro, MAWS DET. They also went to the TAD to the boat more than some sea going squadrons went on deployment. When I came back in 1999 VA-128 was long gone, but a new EA-6B VAQ EXPD squadron had been stood up, VAQ-128. Before I left Whidbey they too had been decommissioned. VA-128 and VAQ-129 (both RAGS) went to the boat way too much to be called "shore duty". View Quote In my 2 years there, we went to Fallon twice and Pensacola once. Only time I was on "sea duty" was Pensacola which lasted 2 weeks. A lot different that sea duty in VA-145 where you went on 6-8 month cruises, home for 6-8 months and back to sea to do another cruise. |
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Quoted: You could always tell when it was an EA-6B taking off without looking. The single loudest plane I've ever heard. View Quote That's a big 10-4. I was on the Midway 80-82. Not a plane captain or anything like that. I was IC so i worked on the roof on the Fresnel lens assembly (see user name) and the Plat cameras. I was also DCPO for a time so had some spare time off so i hung around the other V-2 guys. I qualified on cats and Arresting gear just because. Imagine doing the hold-back on an A-6 and having it turn up RIGHT ABOVE YOUR HEAD!!!. It's amazing i can hear anything anymore. In fact the VA recently gave me hearing aids because i'm so bad now. |
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View Quote Our planes were camo painted when we began our 1966 deployment but that changed when the air crews had concerns that the dark colors made them easier to see against the sky. We had to rub that stuff off using rags and dry cleaning fluid. It was an unwelcome chore. |
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Quoted: I was AIMD at NASWI when VMAQ-4 finally transitioned from the EA-6A to the -6B, in preparation to deploying for the 1st Gulf War. Of course, everything was over by the time Q-4 got to Iwakuni, and all 3 of VMAQ-2's dets were able to be at home at MCAS Cherry Pt. that year. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12179/9893CF41-03F6-401B-A64F-CDE8A657BA17-2369136.jpg View Quote Is that a chaff pod on the outboard station? |
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I like thicc planes.
A-6 was the first model plane I ever built and its in my top 5 favorite looking planes. P-47 will always be my favorite, but the A-6 with a full bomb load just looks right. |
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2nd MAW, Cherry Point, NC. '77-'80. VMA-Q2 Playboy Squadron (ECM) and VMA-332 Top Hat Squadron (Bombers) Aircraft Electrician. Good times.
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Quoted: It might be an ALE-41 chaff dispenser, but that wing station is wired for Shrike or HARM missiles, so my SWAG is a training dummy (antiradiation missile sensor package, minus the warhead and rocket motor). Or a beer cooler. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Is that a chaff pod on the outboard station? It might be an ALE-41 chaff dispenser, but that wing station is wired for Shrike or HARM missiles, so my SWAG is a training dummy (antiradiation missile sensor package, minus the warhead and rocket motor). Or a beer cooler. That thing is way bigger than a Shrike. ETA further research supports the ALE-41 theory. |
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Quoted: The first time I was at Whidbey (89-92) VA-128 was the RAG. They had a permeant DET at NAF El Centro, MAWS DET. They also went to the TAD to the boat more than some sea going squadrons went on deployment. When I came back in 1999 VA-128 was long gone, but a new EA-6B VAQ EXPD squadron had been stood up, VAQ-128. Before I left Whidbey they too had been decommissioned. VA-128 and VAQ-129 (both RAGS) went to the boat way too much to be called "shore duty". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Shortly after I joined VA-128... The first time I was at Whidbey (89-92) VA-128 was the RAG. They had a permeant DET at NAF El Centro, MAWS DET. They also went to the TAD to the boat more than some sea going squadrons went on deployment. When I came back in 1999 VA-128 was long gone, but a new EA-6B VAQ EXPD squadron had been stood up, VAQ-128. Before I left Whidbey they too had been decommissioned. VA-128 and VAQ-129 (both RAGS) went to the boat way too much to be called "shore duty". I was in and around Whidbey in 91', as was another family member, with one of the VAQ squadrons I worked on A-6/EA-6B, F14/18, the tad pole was my primary and favorite |
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