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Quoted: Go back and read the thread I posted on page one. US producers are going to sit this one out. Quoted: Quoted: No because of US production. Go back and read the thread I posted on page one. US producers are going to sit this one out. Wasn't the gist the non-fuel aspects. 1. I don't expect a malaise economy to result. 2. I believe the Strait will reopen quickly as other nations see the need. 3. The damage to gulf facilities will be repaired quickly. 4. Certainly this further highlights US supply vulnerabilities. |
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Quoted: Not even close. ETA - Now: pull up to pump. Fill up. Price higher. Bitch and moan. Then: wait in line based on license plate. Might get fuel, might not. Now: nation of pussies. This, I was ten years old in 1973 and remember the odd and even numbers on your license plate that let you only get gas on certain days and the long lines at the pumps. |
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Quoted: Current cars are more fuel efficient than those in 1973. A quick search gives the average mpg of cars in 1973 as 13.5 mpg. That does help. Not many drive cars anymore,my Jeep gets about 12 mpg around town with 19-20 on the highway. But overall the vehicles are more efficient that they were 50 years ago. Most people in my area are driving pickups or suvs with some driving Teslas,then you have the Mustangs,Cameros and Dodge muscle cars. |
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Quoted: Here's the catch. It's not going to be lines at the pumps. Sure, the U.S. makes plenty of fuel. That's easy. It's specialty chemicals. It's lubricants. It's plastics. It's going to cause demand destruction. Data centers? Unable to get PG for their cooling. Power plants? Not able to get turbine oils. Jets? Unable to get oil for their engines. Semi conductor manufacturing? Being cut back. Want something food wise that's out of season, or not grown locally? You won't be able to get it. Shipping costs, lack of plastics. Fertilizer is going to be too expensive, so you're going to see less food grown. Which means food prices are going to go up, or simply not going to be grown. There's so many dominos that are coming in the next 10-20 days till the end of the year now, in terms of global shock. We live in a much more complicated world than 1973. That requires niche products and systems to operate. Those systems are now going to be tested. Manufacturing, construction, etc. all going to be hit with this wave. Which will directly affect employment. Fucking shit up overseas more easily fucks shit up here. If something isn't mined and produced entirely within our borders it can be disrupted easily. It's actually baffling to me how we have allowed so many critical industries to be dependent on imports at this point. If shit really hits the fan anywhere significant we are fucked. |
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Quoted: Current cars are more fuel efficient than those in 1973. A quick search gives the average mpg of cars in 1973 as 13.5 mpg. That does help. True dat but there’s many, many more cars on the road now. Population in NA has probably more than doubled. Edit: I googled and the US population was 211 million and Canuckistan was 21 million in 1973. |
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Quoted: People don't seem to get that everything is made of oil and the whole world economy is far more codependent than it was in the 70s. Fucking shit up overseas more easily fucks shit up here. If something isn't mined and produced entirely within our borders it can be disrupted easily. It's actually baffling to me how we have allowed so many critical industries to be dependent on imports at this point. If shit really hits the fan anywhere significant we are fucked. Quoted: Quoted: Here's the catch. It's not going to be lines at the pumps. Sure, the U.S. makes plenty of fuel. That's easy. It's specialty chemicals. It's lubricants. It's plastics. It's going to cause demand destruction. Data centers? Unable to get PG for their cooling. Power plants? Not able to get turbine oils. Jets? Unable to get oil for their engines. Semi conductor manufacturing? Being cut back. Want something food wise that's out of season, or not grown locally? You won't be able to get it. Shipping costs, lack of plastics. Fertilizer is going to be too expensive, so you're going to see less food grown. Which means food prices are going to go up, or simply not going to be grown. There's so many dominos that are coming in the next 10-20 days till the end of the year now, in terms of global shock. We live in a much more complicated world than 1973. That requires niche products and systems to operate. Those systems are now going to be tested. Manufacturing, construction, etc. all going to be hit with this wave. Which will directly affect employment. Fucking shit up overseas more easily fucks shit up here. If something isn't mined and produced entirely within our borders it can be disrupted easily. It's actually baffling to me how we have allowed so many critical industries to be dependent on imports at this point. If shit really hits the fan anywhere significant we are fucked. Most of GD can't think beyond the price of gasoline, this thread proves it. I guess I shouldn't be surprised they can't fathom how interconnected the world has become over the last 40 years. Shit *has* hit the fan. They just don't see it yet. |
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Quoted: Not even close. ETA - Now: pull up to pump. Fill up. Price higher. Bitch and moan. Then: wait in line based on license plate. Might get fuel, might not. Now: nation of pussies. This isnt about filling up your own gas tank in your subdivisions. This is about filling all the airplane and boats, and tractor trailers, and equipment that feed and produce stuff for you. Its about plastics and fertilizer. Crap i cant justify spreading fert on my hay fields right now. There will probably not be any “shortages” of domestics fuel. The problem is capitolism. “We” dont produce oil, the “united states” doesnt produce oil, our capitalistic stockholder owned oil companies do. Exports are going to go through the roof as profits are maximized, we will match those prices domestically that the global market is willing to pay. This can still be turned around i hope, I cant recoup the cost i’m losing right now in diesel, i burn 250-300 gallons a month. I use pvc pipe a lot, i have no clue what its going to do. I know the fuel increase by the big corporations are coming so that will be averaged in everything we buy soon. Right now is pre-panic mode for most of us that make and fix stuff. We just fill up and eat it. If it keeps going up we will have to do something. Like i said, i keep watching hoping this reverses. |
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Quoted: Most of GD can't think beyond the price of gasoline, this thread proves it. I guess I shouldn't be surprised they can't fathom how interconnected the world has become over the last 40 years. Shit *has* hit the fan. They just don't see it yet. Sir, this is |
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Quoted: Well we will just have to get tough and do without. Our Grandparents did. https://repository.duke.edu/dc/hfc/hfccp01013 |
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A lot has changed since 79, I don't remember 73 I was an infant for that one. We have a national reserve and have are own sources for oil here in the US and we buy Albertas dirty crude since the stupid Liberals in Canada can't seem to build a pipe line they're stuck selling it to us. plus Venezuela and Mexico. If I was Asia and Europe I'd be worried right about now. I would think the Saudi's want to stay on are good side. and they and Kuwait, Oman etc. have the money to build a pipeline to the Suez bypassing Irans little toll both. |
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Quoted:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMb_hbt1NLw|15Obviously it is different circumstances but the affects seem similar as far as prices etc. We haven't seen the shortages...yet. lol no ar15.com/reddit in full force in the thread |
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Quoted: Nope. I've been to town two or three times since the war started and there aren't lines at the gas stations, all the gas stations still have gas, they're open, and the price of gas didn't double.  Saw a youtube video on Australia they had quite a few stations shut down cause the ran out of fuel commentator said they only have 2 refineries running because Albinos or what ever his name is, green policies. It's BS they are running low on diesel  Fuel crisis: Servos run dry, Jetstar reduces flights & Aus Post raises surcharges | ABC NEWS |
And with high prices of fuel, it's still very important to be in the office and not working at home, because you know for reasons... High food and energy prices and with very high gas and diesel costs, the road to recovery and helping out the middle class is on track! 
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Quoted: A lot has changed since 79, I don't remember 73 I was an infant for that one. We have a national reserve and have are own sources for oil here in the US and we buy Albertas dirty crude since the stupid Liberals in Canada can't seem to build a pipe line they're stuck selling it to us. plus Venezuela and Mexico. If I was Asia and Europe I'd be worried right about now. I would think the Saudi's want to stay on are good side. and they and Kuwait, Oman etc. have the money to build a pipeline to the Suez bypassing Irans little toll both. |
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Quoted: 6,000 major products come from petroleum. From the fibers in your clothes to the parmecuticals in your last prescription, we use oil for damn near everything these days. Transportation fuel is just one. Wright is worried the markets will burn out if the worst case plays out. I was speaking with Dan Hancu last week and he pretty much agrees. They are really worried about national security and secondary market effects at this point. This is a very serious situation. Was also in a meeting with Continental and then Chord, they are not Increasing drilling in the Bakken at this time. They feel the timing is too risky. They are are predicting the price will cause sharp demand retraction and a expect significant economic recession and don't want to be holding the burning bag of dogshit when it all stops. No new drilling rigs in the Bakken and while I don't have the direct knowledge I suspect there is a similar sentiment in the Permian. I was also just told we are laying off approximately 25% of our staff in 2 weeks as a result of the deteriorating situation in the energy sector. This is not internet hearsay or doom posting. This is reality. In 2022 the Russia invasion caused supply shortages and prices over $130/barrel yet the S&P energy sector was +60%. Is the situation much different today? |
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Quoted: Most of GD can't think beyond the price of gasoline, this thread proves it. I guess I shouldn't be surprised they can't fathom how interconnected the world has become over the last 40 years. Shit *has* hit the fan. They just don't see it yet. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Here's the catch. It's not going to be lines at the pumps. Sure, the U.S. makes plenty of fuel. That's easy. It's specialty chemicals. It's lubricants. It's plastics. It's going to cause demand destruction. Data centers? Unable to get PG for their cooling. Power plants? Not able to get turbine oils. Jets? Unable to get oil for their engines. Semi conductor manufacturing? Being cut back. Want something food wise that's out of season, or not grown locally? You won't be able to get it. Shipping costs, lack of plastics. Fertilizer is going to be too expensive, so you're going to see less food grown. Which means food prices are going to go up, or simply not going to be grown. There's so many dominos that are coming in the next 10-20 days till the end of the year now, in terms of global shock. We live in a much more complicated world than 1973. That requires niche products and systems to operate. Those systems are now going to be tested. Manufacturing, construction, etc. all going to be hit with this wave. Which will directly affect employment. Fucking shit up overseas more easily fucks shit up here. If something isn't mined and produced entirely within our borders it can be disrupted easily. It's actually baffling to me how we have allowed so many critical industries to be dependent on imports at this point. If shit really hits the fan anywhere significant we are fucked. Most of GD can't think beyond the price of gasoline, this thread proves it. I guess I shouldn't be surprised they can't fathom how interconnected the world has become over the last 40 years. Shit *has* hit the fan. They just don't see it yet. I believe everything your saying. I just think allowing the worlds most strategic asset to be controlled by the whims of Islamic radicals shows either willful ignorance or straight retardation. They could have closed it at any time and we'd be in the same boat. |
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Quoted: I believe everything your saying. I just think allowing the worlds most strategic asset to be controlled by the whims of Islamic radicals shows either willful ignorance or straight retardation. They could have closed it at any time and we'd be in the same boat. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Here's the catch. It's not going to be lines at the pumps. Sure, the U.S. makes plenty of fuel. That's easy. It's specialty chemicals. It's lubricants. It's plastics. It's going to cause demand destruction. Data centers? Unable to get PG for their cooling. Power plants? Not able to get turbine oils. Jets? Unable to get oil for their engines. Semi conductor manufacturing? Being cut back. Want something food wise that's out of season, or not grown locally? You won't be able to get it. Shipping costs, lack of plastics. Fertilizer is going to be too expensive, so you're going to see less food grown. Which means food prices are going to go up, or simply not going to be grown. There's so many dominos that are coming in the next 10-20 days till the end of the year now, in terms of global shock. We live in a much more complicated world than 1973. That requires niche products and systems to operate. Those systems are now going to be tested. Manufacturing, construction, etc. all going to be hit with this wave. Which will directly affect employment. Fucking shit up overseas more easily fucks shit up here. If something isn't mined and produced entirely within our borders it can be disrupted easily. It's actually baffling to me how we have allowed so many critical industries to be dependent on imports at this point. If shit really hits the fan anywhere significant we are fucked. Most of GD can't think beyond the price of gasoline, this thread proves it. I guess I shouldn't be surprised they can't fathom how interconnected the world has become over the last 40 years. Shit *has* hit the fan. They just don't see it yet. I believe everything your saying. I just think allowing the worlds most strategic asset to be controlled by the whims of Islamic radicals shows either willful ignorance or straight retardation. They could have closed it at any time and we'd be in the same boat. You're not wrong. However, remember that modern day US production didn't really start until 2008+, realistically more like 2012. So we've had 13-14 years to sort of 'prepare' but, without the incentives to do so. There was no drive to diversify the petrochemical industry, because it's extremely expensive. The Russian-Ukraine war, did make Europe and Asia diversify their LNG, as America had the ability to export finally. But, that's where we so far. There are some efforts to diversity base oils, helium, etc. But, those aren't online yet and won't be for a while. Years, at this point. |
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Quoted: Not many drive cars anymore,my Jeep gets about 12 mpg around town with 19-20 on the highway. But overall the vehicles are more efficient that they were 50 years ago. Most people in my area are driving pickups or suvs with some driving Teslas,then you have the Mustangs,Cameros and Dodge muscle cars. Quoted: Quoted: Current cars are more fuel efficient than those in 1973. A quick search gives the average mpg of cars in 1973 as 13.5 mpg. That does help. Not many drive cars anymore,my Jeep gets about 12 mpg around town with 19-20 on the highway. But overall the vehicles are more efficient that they were 50 years ago. Most people in my area are driving pickups or suvs with some driving Teslas,then you have the Mustangs,Cameros and Dodge muscle cars. 40% more total gasoline consumption, and 180% more distillate consumption, wrt that timeframe. |
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Quoted: This isnt about filling up your own gas tank in your subdivisions. This is about filling all the airplane and boats, and tractor trailers, and equipment that feed and produce stuff for you. Its about plastics and fertilizer. Crap i cant justify spreading fert on my hay fields right now. There will probably not be any “shortages” of domestics fuel. The problem is capitolism. “We” dont produce oil, the “united states” doesnt produce oil, our capitalistic stockholder owned oil companies do. Exports are going to go through the roof as profits are maximized, we will match those prices domestically that the global market is willing to pay. This can still be turned around i hope, I cant recoup the cost i’m losing right now in diesel, i burn 250-300 gallons a month. I use pvc pipe a lot, i have no clue what its going to do. I know the fuel increase by the big corporations are coming so that will be averaged in everything we buy soon. Right now is pre-panic mode for most of us that make and fix stuff. We just fill up and eat it. If it keeps going up we will have to do something. Like i said, i keep watching hoping this reverses. I went by the pic of a gas station. I didn't consider beyond that. |
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Quoted: Most of GD can't think beyond the price of gasoline, this thread proves it. I guess I shouldn't be surprised they can't fathom how interconnected the world has become over the last 40 years. Shit *has* hit the fan. They just don't see it yet. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Here's the catch. It's not going to be lines at the pumps. Sure, the U.S. makes plenty of fuel. That's easy. It's specialty chemicals. It's lubricants. It's plastics. It's going to cause demand destruction. Data centers? Unable to get PG for their cooling. Power plants? Not able to get turbine oils. Jets? Unable to get oil for their engines. Semi conductor manufacturing? Being cut back. Want something food wise that's out of season, or not grown locally? You won't be able to get it. Shipping costs, lack of plastics. Fertilizer is going to be too expensive, so you're going to see less food grown. Which means food prices are going to go up, or simply not going to be grown. There's so many dominos that are coming in the next 10-20 days till the end of the year now, in terms of global shock. We live in a much more complicated world than 1973. That requires niche products and systems to operate. Those systems are now going to be tested. Manufacturing, construction, etc. all going to be hit with this wave. Which will directly affect employment. Fucking shit up overseas more easily fucks shit up here. If something isn't mined and produced entirely within our borders it can be disrupted easily. It's actually baffling to me how we have allowed so many critical industries to be dependent on imports at this point. If shit really hits the fan anywhere significant we are fucked. Most of GD can't think beyond the price of gasoline, this thread proves it. I guess I shouldn't be surprised they can't fathom how interconnected the world has become over the last 40 years. Shit *has* hit the fan. They just don't see it yet. Well thank God all my rubber dog shit suppliers use natural rubber instead of that chlorobutyl and HTPB shit. People are still getting used to the idea that the world is going to become more disconnected, global supply chains will break or simply erode away, and that has nothing to do with who the US president is. The level of pain we experience will be dependent on how much time we give ourselves to adapt. |
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Quoted: People don't seem to get that everything is made of oil and the whole world economy is far more codependent than it was in the 70s. Fucking shit up overseas more easily fucks shit up here. If something isn't mined and produced entirely within our borders it can be disrupted easily. It's actually baffling to me how we have allowed so many critical industries to be dependent on imports at this point. If shit really hits the fan anywhere significant we are fucked. OP shows pic of a gas station. Apparently you're mad people responded to 1970s gas prices. 
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Quoted: People don't seem to get that everything is made of oil and the whole world economy is far more codependent than it was in the 70s. Fucking shit up overseas more easily fucks shit up here. If something isn't mined and produced entirely within our borders it can be disrupted easily. It's actually baffling to me how we have allowed so many critical industries to be dependent on imports at this point. If shit really hits the fan anywhere significant we are fucked. A bunch of Really Smart People figured a good way to ensure the world never again saw the horrors of global war would be to tie everyone's economies together so we'd all be too interdependent to risk it. I'm sure more than a few of them also had the means, motivation, and opportunity to enrich themselves or their friends in the process. So now we're all stuck with just in time global supply chains and the generation currently running the show has forgotten the "what it's for" part and just knows how to maintain it. They're getting pretty old too though so the whole rotten system is liable to collapse in my lifetime anyway. What fun... |
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Quoted: Well, If Foxtrot is concerned, then I certainly am too. This is not good. I just broke down and panic bought enough oil to get our two trucks through the rest of the year. Figure as I change the oil I'll replace what I use so I always have a couple changes on hand |
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Quoted: Current cars are more fuel efficient than those in 1973. A quick search gives the average mpg of cars in 1973 as 13.5 mpg. That does help. Population of the US in 1973 was 212 million. It's 342.4 milllion now. An almost 40% increase. I bet we use as much gas now as we did then. |
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Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMb_hbt1NLw|15Obviously it is different circumstances but the affects seem similar as far as prices etc. We haven't seen the shortages...yet. Of course not. GD boomers have assured me we don't rely on any other country for oil. |
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Quoted: No we are not. I was alive then and this is nothing like the OPEC crisis. Quoted: Quoted: Yes. I said that yesterday. Worse crisis since the oil embargo’s. Potentially lining up to be even worse than those. No we are not. I was alive then and this is nothing like the OPEC crisis. You’re right. It’s going to be alot different. And probably worse. We just don’t know yet. Because this hasn’t hit yet. Just wait. |
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Quoted: In 2022 the Russia invasion caused supply shortages and prices over $130/barrel yet the S&P energy sector was +60%. Is the situation much different today? Stock prices do not necessary correlate to production. Yeah producers are going to very profitable, does not mean they will actually invest in additional production. All I know is what I hear from the production and midstream side and Feds that are involved in that side. Foxtrot08 is going be very knowledgeable in his product sector which is a good representation of most oil product sectors. Everyone seems to saying the same thing across the industry, which either means it is either true or one of the biggest cases of corporate collusion ever orchestrated. |
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This all bullshit. We have our own god damn oil. This war has nothing to do with our supply. It’s a blatant corporate excuse to jack up prices on low IQ Americans who will believe anything. …and to add. AZ/NV prices were already higher than average because of that faggot, plastic headed mother fucker Newsome. |
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Quoted: This all bullshit. We have our own god damn oil. This war has nothing to do with our supply. It’s a blatant corporate excuse to jack up prices on low IQ Americans who will believe anything. …and to add. AZ/NV prices were already higher than average because of that faggot, plastic headed mother fucker Newsome. lol. |
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Quoted: A lot has changed since 79, I don't remember 73 I was an infant for that one. We have a national reserve and have are own sources for oil here in the US and we buy Albertas dirty crude since the stupid Liberals in Canada can't seem to build a pipe line they're stuck selling it to us. plus Venezuela and Mexico. If I was Asia and Europe I'd be worried right about now. I would think the Saudi's want to stay on are good side. and they and Kuwait, Oman etc. have the money to build a pipeline to the Suez bypassing Irans little toll both. Biden drained a lot of our national reserves. I saw one article about Trump refilling it but have no idea if it really happened. |
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Quoted: Saw a youtube video on Australia they had quite a few stations shut down cause the ran out of fuel commentator said they only have 2 refineries running because Albinos or what ever his name is, green policies. It's BS they are running low on diesel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHOd7NKEi-gMad Max is based out of Australia  Look forward to wearing a hot leather outfit in the summer
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Quoted: Most of GD can't think beyond the price of gasoline, this thread proves it. I guess I shouldn't be surprised they can't fathom how interconnected the world has become over the last 40 years. Shit *has* hit the fan. They just don't see it yet. I for appreciate reading your thoughts. It helps me prepare from a personal and small business perspective, and I thank you for them. |
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Quoted: This all bullshit. We have our own god damn oil. This war has nothing to do with our supply. It's a blatant corporate excuse to jack up prices on low IQ Americans who will believe anything. and to add. AZ/NV prices were already higher than average because of that faggot, plastic headed mother fucker Newsome. Other than the countless wasted tax dollars and human lives there's a good reason we don't just go and fuck with the middle east oil supply. We may not need it for gas but globalization has made it so it's needed for pretty much everything else. |
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Quoted: This 100% correct. This generation has never known hard times. They are soft, weak and pathetic and will throw in the towel at the first sign of resistance while crying about some irrational bullshit that has no basis in reality. Then need to realize that they are pussies and shut the fuck up. I would tell them to harden the fuck up, but they are so entitled they wouldn’t understand what that means. Quoted: Quoted: Not even close. ETA - Now: pull up to pump. Fill up. Price higher. Bitch and moan. Then: wait in line based on license plate. Might get fuel, might not. Now: nation of pussies. This 100% correct. This generation has never known hard times. They are soft, weak and pathetic and will throw in the towel at the first sign of resistance while crying about some irrational bullshit that has no basis in reality. Then need to realize that they are pussies and shut the fuck up. I would tell them to harden the fuck up, but they are so entitled they wouldn’t understand what that means. This.^^^^^^^ Last week I put half a tanks worth in my Diesel. ninety bucks. Yeah. Fifteen gallons. Just filled up today, it was just over half. 81 bucks. Hear me bitching? Nope. Why. Nothing I can do about it so why piss and moan. Gotta roll with them punches, man. learn how to shrug this crap off and drive on. Diesel, over the last forty years (AI goo-goo actually calc's this) traditionally has been within 10/20-ish cents of gasoline blends. Today, diesel is substantially more, fifty to a buck depending, more than gasoline. Why? Know anything about refineries? Gasoline versus Diesel? The refining process is different for them but harder/costly? Not really. SO... why the huge difference in price? Here's a hot tip; The Market drives the price. Guess how our supply chains work? What do the vehicles that transport things within the US run on? Primarily Diesel for Semi trucks/railroads. Wow. That's a lotta diesel to move crap around, feeding the "machine". Supply versus demand. Or maybe some asshat's bumping the prices at some level of corporate because they can. For whatever reason, screw us, screw Trump, because, who knows. It. Doesn't. Matter. This IS NOT the 1970's. Whole different ballgame. My mom was lucky, local gas station on the corner, a customer there for years. Guy watched out for his regulars in particular. We never had a problem getting gas but yeah. It was touch n go there for a while. You were never sure. Eventually it was over and things went back to "normal" But the prices stayed up. Imagine that. |
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Quoted: Yes. I said that yesterday. Worse crisis since the oil embargo’s. Potentially lining up to be even worse than those. You have far more knowledge and insight about the global oil market than I do, but I fail to see how current events will create more hardship for the US than the events of 1973. I was 7 then, but I still remember. |
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Quoted: Not even close. ETA - Now: pull up to pump. Fill up. Price higher. Bitch and moan. Then: wait in line based on license plate. Might get fuel, might not. Now: nation of pussies. This is accurate. This time around prices are high BUT we have oil. I lived through the 73 crisis. Not even close. |
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Quoted: You have far more knowledge and insight about the global oil market than I do, but I fail to see how current events will create more hardship for the US than the events of 1973. I was 7 then, but I still remember. Quoted: Quoted: Yes. I said that yesterday. Worse crisis since the oil embargo’s. Potentially lining up to be even worse than those. You have far more knowledge and insight about the global oil market than I do, but I fail to see how current events will create more hardship for the US than the events of 1973. I was 7 then, but I still remember. Mostly because this post I wrote. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Foxtrot08-makes-an-oil-thread-/5-2724893/?page=43&#i116450897 |
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Not even close . I was there and remember most of it . My dad would get home from work and go down to get gas and it would take at least an hour . The station was like 8 min away . Yes Lines . Often limited to 10 gal . Sometimes they ran out . OPEC was ALL actively against the US and Not supplying . At least from what I remember . Has OP had to wait in any line for gas . Or been limited to rations ? No Sir I bet not . You haven’t seen anything yet . |