[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Tesla not invited to White House electric car summit, Musk responds (Page 4 of 5)
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Quoted: Don't forget Saturn. They had some nice, reliable cars. Once GM acquired it, they rammed it into the ground. Saturn was a GM brand from the get-go. They didn't acquire anything, they built it from scratch. Then had to jettison it along with Pontiac and Hummer to get bail-out money. |
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Quoted: @limaxray Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: LOL Musk better sell out completely to the political machine if he wants to enjoy full privileges. He has played it EXTREMELY well, but not like these pros who have the reigns of power and can start tearing it down. This would be a good time for Musk to tweet out a reminder that he effectively owns a fleet of ICBMS. Nobody GAF if they carry nukes or not. A 4000lbs. cone of tungsten that Musk can drop on your house at 5000mph is no joke! @limaxray You're not wrong. Elon could easily become Dr Evil, except with pot. And for a dude like Elon, having his guys modifying software to go from "find a flight path that avoids the earth" to "find a flight path that intersects the earth at a given point" is a weekend project. For extra points, he should use burnt-out Teslas. We already know they fit under the hood of a Falcon Heavy. |
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| Tesla is non-union shop and the president of the UAW was part of the presentation. Joe needs to suck them off so they continue up to vote to their demise. It takes about half the workforce to build BEVs than traditional vehicles. However, the UAW president said he doesn’t care about EV sales goals only maintaining employment levels and wages for members. Good luck when they take a whack to their membership but hey keep voting dem. |
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Quoted: That deal was for everyone not just Tesla and Tesla has sold so many it isn’t applicable to their cars but they still sell. To hate on Tesla is unAmerican. Quoted: Quoted: How many without fed or state subsidy dollars ? That deal was for everyone not just Tesla and Tesla has sold so many it isn’t applicable to their cars but they still sell. To hate on Tesla is unAmerican. Tesla gets far more in subsidies than the $7500 fed tax credit. It's so important to the company that it gets its own line item in the quarterly financial reports. Plus all the state, local, and international subsidies. If you're going to defend Tesla at least get your facts straight. |
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Quoted: Ahh, there it is! Good thing Lockheed , or Boeing, or United Space Alliance , or any other Gubermint contractor never took gobs of government money...  Or major oil companies for that matter. Tesla received 465 million clean energy loan that it paid back early, with interest not long after going public . In 2009 ford borrowed 5.9 billion, not TARP, to advance development of automotive tech and still is in the process of paying that back. Nissan was was awarded 1.6 billion to build the Tennessee plant. It’s odd when people point out Tesla received a loan, pretty small relatively, and not point out all of the other money not recovered given to other automakers. |
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Quoted: Tesla gets far more in subsidies than the $7500 fed tax credit. It's so important to the company that it gets its own line item in the quarterly financial reports. Plus all the state, local, and international subsidies. If you're going to defend Tesla at least get your facts straight. What subsidies does Tesla receive from US entities? They may have negotiated tax deals with local jurisdictions to build there like every other company has. |
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Quoted: What subsidies does Tesla receive from US entities? They may have negotiated tax deals with local jurisdictions to build there like every other company has. Quoted: Quoted: Tesla gets far more in subsidies than the $7500 fed tax credit. It's so important to the company that it gets its own line item in the quarterly financial reports. Plus all the state, local, and international subsidies. If you're going to defend Tesla at least get your facts straight. What subsidies does Tesla receive from US entities? They may have negotiated tax deals with local jurisdictions to build there like every other company has. https://www.tesla.com/support/incentives |
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Quoted: Seems sort of odd to exclude the company that's most responsible for popularizing the shit out of electric cars. It's almost like the summit isn't really about electric cars. Politicians are a peculiar bunch. GM has been going headfirst into vehicle manufacturing spending billions to up their game...yet they closed a plant that actually made their electric car (Lordstown, OH). Money is now being spent in TN (old Saturn plant) and other locations and the money is flowing like water. Musk's operation in Texas is also going bonkers. Problem for Musk is he is non union and therefore money they might give Tesla is not guaranteed to hit their coffers. Pretty much all the UAW is good for is money laundering. |
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Quoted: Saturn was a GM brand from the get-go. They didn't acquire anything, they built it from scratch. Then had to jettison it along with Pontiac and Hummer to get bail-out money. Quoted: Quoted: Don't forget Saturn. They had some nice, reliable cars. Once GM acquired it, they rammed it into the ground. Saturn was a GM brand from the get-go. They didn't acquire anything, they built it from scratch. Then had to jettison it along with Pontiac and Hummer to get bail-out money. Saturn cars were reliable and competitive if GM had given a shit about them...but eventually they simply started using the same platforms the rest of GM was using (well, they sort of always did) and as mentioned they had to dump them for muh-savings. The Saturn plant is now being converted into an electric car factory. Thirty-six years ago, the announcement that GM was going to land Saturn in Spring Hill — after a feverish pursuit of the plant and its thousands of jobs by localities across teh country — hit mid-Tennessee like news of an alien craft landing. Suddenly, bucolic farmland that was worth only hundreds of dollars an acre was fetching many times that amount as GM, suppliers and speculators bought it up. One notable such beneficiary was Peter Jenkins, an author who’d become most notable for trekking across the country on foot for his book, A Walk Across America. Last week, GM announced the planned construction in Spring Hill of its second battery-cell plant to support the transformation of its vehicle portfolio with battery-electrics in the next 15 years. The automaker’s joint venture with LG Chem, Ultium Cells LLC, plans to spend $2.3 billion to build the plant on land leased from GM, creating 1,300 new jobs and supplying batteries to the BEVs the company plans to make at its adjoining assembly plant. The Spring Hill battery plant will be similar in size and scope to the first one GM announced, currently under construction in Lordstown, Ohio. GM’s plant in Hamtramck, Michigan, will become a prime EV-making site as well, and its plant in Orion Township, Michigan, already makes small Chevrolet EVs. |
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Quoted: Saturn cars were reliable and competitive if GM had given a shit about them...but eventually they simply started using the same platforms the rest of GM was using (well, they sort of always did) and as mentioned they had to dump them for muh-savings. The Saturn plant is now being converted into an electric car factory. Show me some other 12 year old cars that you see on the road regularly. Do you see many 2009 Dodge Magnums? 2009 Taurus? Not nearly as often. |
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Quoted: That deal was for everyone not just Tesla and Tesla has sold so many it isn’t applicable to their cars but they still sell. To hate on Tesla is unAmerican. Quoted: Quoted: How many without fed or state subsidy dollars ? That deal was for everyone not just Tesla and Tesla has sold so many it isn’t applicable to their cars but they still sell. To hate on Tesla is unAmerican. https://www.tesla.com/support/incentives |
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Quoted: He's now persona non grata. Not surprising. Honestly, I'm kind of happy that this happened... because that means for the time being, he's probably going to start trolling Biden... and I look forward to it.  Exactly. Why do people want a guy like musk in bed with the upper echelon of democrats? We want him at war with them. |
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Quoted: Or major oil companies for that matter. Tesla received 465 million clean energy loan that it paid back early, with interest not long after going public . In 2009 ford borrowed 5.9 billion, not TARP, to advance development of automotive tech and still is in the process of paying that back. Nissan was was awarded 1.6 billion to build the Tennessee plant. It’s odd when people point out Tesla received a loan, pretty small relatively, and not point out all of the other money not recovered given to other automakers. Quoted: Quoted: Ahh, there it is! Good thing Lockheed , or Boeing, or United Space Alliance , or any other Gubermint contractor never took gobs of government money... Or major oil companies for that matter. Tesla received 465 million clean energy loan that it paid back early, with interest not long after going public . In 2009 ford borrowed 5.9 billion, not TARP, to advance development of automotive tech and still is in the process of paying that back. Nissan was was awarded 1.6 billion to build the Tennessee plant. It’s odd when people point out Tesla received a loan, pretty small relatively, and not point out all of the other money not recovered given to other automakers. The only reason they paid that loan back “early “ is because the terms forced them to, otherwise they opened themselves up to government controls. I appreciate many of the things about Tesla but they have been and continue to be subsidized. It is total bullshit that they were not invited to this meeting. |
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Quoted: Keep redpilling a billionaire with the balls to burn it. I like where this is headed. Musk? They'll do that to him but American style. Think dossier type BS. Hell, they may even TIE him to China in a negative way to harm him. |
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Quoted: The only reason they paid that loan back "early " is because the terms forced them to, otherwise they opened themselves up to government controls. I appreciate many of the things about Tesla but they have been and continue to be subsidized. It is total bullshit that they were not invited to this meeting. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ahh, there it is! Good thing Lockheed , or Boeing, or United Space Alliance , or any other Gubermint contractor never took gobs of government money... Or major oil companies for that matter. Tesla received 465 million clean energy loan that it paid back early, with interest not long after going public . In 2009 ford borrowed 5.9 billion, not TARP, to advance development of automotive tech and still is in the process of paying that back. Nissan was was awarded 1.6 billion to build the Tennessee plant. It's odd when people point out Tesla received a loan, pretty small relatively, and not point out all of the other money not recovered given to other automakers. The only reason they paid that loan back "early " is because the terms forced them to, otherwise they opened themselves up to government controls. I appreciate many of the things about Tesla but they have been and continue to be subsidized. It is total bullshit that they were not invited to this meeting. Subsidized yes, total money launderers for the politicians? No. Hence their non-invitation. This is about working how much .gov money is going to get invested into these other companies and in the end how much will flow right back into political coffers. Period. Don't be surprised if coming out of this meeting Musk starts to have "more problems." |
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Quoted: Funny you mention Saturn. I have a standing observation in my family... every time you see a Saturn, it looks like a 1-2 year old car. They stopped making them 12 years ago. They apparently made some damn good body panels and paint. What's also odd is you see them regularly, once you look for them. I see them close to once a day. Show me some other 12 year old cars that you see on the road regularly. Do you see many 2009 Dodge Magnums? 2009 Taurus? Not nearly as often. Quoted: Quoted: Saturn cars were reliable and competitive if GM had given a shit about them...but eventually they simply started using the same platforms the rest of GM was using (well, they sort of always did) and as mentioned they had to dump them for muh-savings. The Saturn plant is now being converted into an electric car factory. Show me some other 12 year old cars that you see on the road regularly. Do you see many 2009 Dodge Magnums? 2009 Taurus? Not nearly as often. My sister had almost 300k on her Saturn and it was still reliable when she traded it in for a bigger vehicle but that paint looked terrible for many, many years. Both the hood and the trunk lid were terrible. The plastic panels looked fine. |
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Quoted: Subsidized yes, total money launderers for the politicians? No. Hence their non-invitation. This is about working how much .gov money is going to get invested into these other companies and in the end how much will flow right back into political coffers. Period. Don't be surprised if coming out of this meeting Musk starts to have "more problems." Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ahh, there it is! Good thing Lockheed , or Boeing, or United Space Alliance , or any other Gubermint contractor never took gobs of government money... Or major oil companies for that matter. Tesla received 465 million clean energy loan that it paid back early, with interest not long after going public . In 2009 ford borrowed 5.9 billion, not TARP, to advance development of automotive tech and still is in the process of paying that back. Nissan was was awarded 1.6 billion to build the Tennessee plant. It's odd when people point out Tesla received a loan, pretty small relatively, and not point out all of the other money not recovered given to other automakers. The only reason they paid that loan back "early " is because the terms forced them to, otherwise they opened themselves up to government controls. I appreciate many of the things about Tesla but they have been and continue to be subsidized. It is total bullshit that they were not invited to this meeting. Subsidized yes, total money launderers for the politicians? No. Hence their non-invitation. This is about working how much .gov money is going to get invested into these other companies and in the end how much will flow right back into political coffers. Period. Don't be surprised if coming out of this meeting Musk starts to have "more problems." Agreed. The big three and the unions are a money laundering scheme for the Democrats. Musk doesn’t appear to play that game. |
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Quoted: This isn't a Ford, or a GM product, or even a Stellantis. Currently outside the orbit of Mars. https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/ppDaE4bmoY98e2J7LezDvK-1024-80.jpg.webp It's harder to catch on fire in a vacuum.... |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Tesla not invited to White House electric car summit, Musk responds (Page 4 of 5)
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