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Posted: 2/20/2019 8:44:37 AM EDT
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10 mph over, as in 10 mph over the speed limit generally. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: 10mph huh... sure that's not an exaggeration? Humans can easily run 10mph.... At the speed limit the 86 is going to be a bore in every aspect. At least the vett can go from 0-speed limit with some decent acceleration. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 8:46:22 AM EDT
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Sounds awful. I'd rather know that I have another 200 horses on tap as I push the pedal. More torque then 2 BRZs. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 8:48:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, breaking the speed limit in car A is okay but not B? That invalidates the argument about being able to play with the 86 in the corners but not get a ticket. Plenty of cops in plenty of small towns won't care that its not a bright yellow Corvette, you're 10 over, he's bored and the city/county needs that $. At the speed limit the 86 is going to be a bore in every aspect. At least the vett can go from 0-speed limit with some decent acceleration. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 8:48:47 AM EDT
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What good is it if all you can do is putt around with it on public roads? You’re surely not a lawbreaker are you? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds awful. I'd rather know that I have another 200 horses on tap as I push the pedal. More torque then 2 BRZs. If you're okay with speeding then there's no argument against a Corvette that wins IMO. It will hang in the corners and then obliterate you soon as your not in one. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 8:48:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What good is it if all you can do is putt around with it on public roads? You’re surely not a lawbreaker are you? |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 8:49:59 AM EDT
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Well don’t buy the motherfucker then. But you’re not going to convince me I’m not having the time of the life with mine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So, breaking the speed limit in car A is okay but not B? That invalidates the argument about being able to play with the 86 in the corners but not get a ticket. Plenty of cops in plenty of small towns won't care that its not a bright yellow Corvette, you're 10 over, he's bored and the city/county needs that $. At the speed limit the 86 is going to be a bore in every aspect. At least the vett can go from 0-speed limit with some decent acceleration. There was a time I thought my high 12sec car was fast...then i climbed into a 800hp AWD GSX and then it seemed pointless to go full throttle... 
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Posted: 2/20/2019 8:50:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ding ding. If you're okay with speeding then there's no argument against a Corvette that wins IMO. It will hang in the corners and then obliterate you soon as your not in one. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 8:51:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's fine dude, lots of slow cars can be fun, especially if you haven't tasted "HOLY %#^#%!!!" speeds in the same locations. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 8:53:43 AM EDT
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10 over isn’t really speeding. Or at least nothing that will land you in jail and get your car impounded. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Ding ding. If you're okay with speeding then there's no argument against a Corvette that wins IMO. It will hang in the corners and then obliterate you soon as your not in one. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 8:54:18 AM EDT
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Lol. I experience holy fuck speeds on something faster and more exciting than driving a car. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: That's fine dude, lots of slow cars can be fun, especially if you haven't tasted "HOLY %#^#%!!!" speeds in the same locations. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 8:55:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except it is speeding, and eventually will get you a ticket, which will be entirely your fault. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 8:56:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Deathcycles? |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 9:03:04 AM EDT
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I think the point is anything in the category of "fun" a 86 can do, a Miata can do better. Face the fact the 86 is a very niche car, the Miata is better at being more fun.
Enter practically, why the hell is that here when shopping for a "fun" car? 1 car owner most likely? Otherwise that's got no business here which means compromises. Imo, buy a old clap trap truck for truck stuff, buy a eco box for dd and buy a sport car for fun....at which point unless you get the Miata. And I do...I want one. The next logical step to me is the Mustang GT w/track pack or vette in the FR configuration. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 9:08:52 AM EDT
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I think the point is anything in the category of "fun" a 86 can do, a Miata can do better. Face the fact the 86 is a very niche car, the Miata is better at being more fun. Enter practically, why the hell is that here when shopping for a "fun" car? 1 car owner most likely? Otherwise that's got no business here which means compromises. Imo, buy a old clap trap truck for truck stuff, buy a eco box for dd and buy a sport car for fun. *shrug* My philosophy is 4x4 pick-up, sports car, motorcycles (sportbike and a cruiser) and a boat. Then you got your bases covered. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 9:19:47 AM EDT
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Bought a 2013 Or bought it in 2013 and it was a 2014 and sold it end of 2015. Very low power, easy to kick the backend out, but seemed like something was breaking constantly so I sold it for a A3 etron. Pluses was it was getting good aftermarket support and the community was good at ft86 forum . I like the car but it desperately needed more power and reliability. Otherwise I would still have it. That said the A3 etron is good on mileage but isn’t a great car either, I still find myself driving a Tacoma even though it gets shot mileage but is more comfortable on long drives
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Posted: 2/20/2019 9:47:40 AM EDT
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I prefer the appearance of the 86 over the Miata. And it’s a different kind of vehicle with the Boxer engine. My philosophy is 4x4 pick-up, sports car, motorcycles (sportbike and a cruiser) and a boat. Then you got your bases covered. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think the point is anything in the category of "fun" a 86 can do, a Miata can do better. Face the fact the 86 is a very niche car, the Miata is better at being more fun. Enter practically, why the hell is that here when shopping for a "fun" car? 1 car owner most likely? Otherwise that's got no business here which means compromises. Imo, buy a old clap trap truck for truck stuff, buy a eco box for dd and buy a sport car for fun. *shrug* My philosophy is 4x4 pick-up, sports car, motorcycles (sportbike and a cruiser) and a boat. Then you got your bases covered. Where i choose a eco box for a practical daily you put the 86 which is more practical than the miata and your bike replaces the "sports car" category that needs zero practicality. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 10:20:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I prefer the appearance of the 86 over the Miata. And it’s a different kind of vehicle with the Boxer engine. My philosophy is 4x4 pick-up, sports car, motorcycles (sportbike and a cruiser) and a boat. Then you got your bases covered. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 1:28:48 PM EDT
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B.S. and like posted earlier pushing it in the corners still means breaking the speed limit by a lot but with the added bonus of less room for error correction. Tree's don't give much, and the nearly instant stop has killed plenty. The only way you're legally pushing a miata or 86 in the corners to their limits or anywhere near is on a track. On an auto X course a prepped miata and or 86 may keep up or beat a similarly skilled driver of a vett but on a actual track or street the vett will obliterate either. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hitting redline in the Vette means violating every speed limit in the state. Of course I have never done that. The only way you're legally pushing a miata or 86 in the corners to their limits or anywhere near is on a track. On an auto X course a prepped miata and or 86 may keep up or beat a similarly skilled driver of a vett but on a actual track or street the vett will obliterate either. One of the things cars like the 86 and the Miata are known for is being very predictable and very forgiving. In a 86/Miata, you can make significant throttle and steering adjustments mid turn to play with the way the car responds, and you can do that without being in much danger of completely upsetting the stability of the car or breaking the rears loose with too much power (lol). There are reasons why muscle cars are known for power sliding out of control off the road/into pedestrians and Porsches are known for deadly snap oversteer while Miatas have no such reputation. Are both of those things caused by driver error? Absolutely. Is it possible to screw up and crash a Miata? Absolutely. But the margin for error is significantly different. Also, if things do go start to go wrong, or if a sudden hazard appears in the road, Newton's laws are going to give the car that weighs half a ton less a better shot at avoiding an accident. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 1:54:25 PM EDT
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So, breaking the speed limit in car A is okay but not B? That invalidates the argument about being able to play with the 86 in the corners but not get a ticket. Plenty of cops in plenty of small towns won't care that its not a bright yellow Corvette, you're 10 over, he's bored and the city/county needs that $. At the speed limit the 86 is going to be a bore in every aspect. At least the vett can go from 0-speed limit with some decent acceleration. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: 10mph huh... sure that's not an exaggeration? Humans can easily run 10mph.... At the speed limit the 86 is going to be a bore in every aspect. At least the vett can go from 0-speed limit with some decent acceleration. It's not just about speed. It's about the perception of speed and the feedback/sensations a vehicle gives at a particular speed. What does an 86 feel like at say... 55 MPH, and what does a Corvette feel like at 55 MPH? I don't have enough experience with those specific cars to answer that question definitively, but I know 55 MPH feels pretty sedate in most vehicles (by design) while 55 MPH feels like there's some serious movement happening when I'm behind the wheel of a Miata. Part of that is the simple fact that the Miata is at higher RPMs than most vehicles at most speeds, and part of that is because things like all of the little imperfections in the pavement have a greater perceived effect on lighter cars. Curves and corners can magnify this. Ever been go-karting? You can feel like you're riding a damn rocket driving at 20-something MPH in a building, and then you're numb and under-stimulated driving home at 70 MPH in a standard vehicle. How fast do you have to go in a car with a higher performance threshold like a Corvette or a BMW M car to get the same sensations? How many miles of public roads are there in America where one can drive 55 MPH legally or with only minor infractions? 65 MPH? 75 MPH? |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 1:59:02 PM EDT
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That’s the beauty of the 200 HP BRZ/86. You can hit redline and rip through the gears on the city streets. Really use the engine like it was designed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hitting redline in the Vette means violating every speed limit in the state. Of course I have never done that. Back in HS I drove a pathetic Ford Taurus. One day, I'm driving my Taurus home from somewhere and I hear this loud buzzing noise. I get kinda concerned trying to think of WTF might be wrong with my car when out of the corner of my eye I see a Geo Metro just inching into my view out the drivers window. That noise was the Metro coralling all of it's horses in an attempt to pass me. After seeing such a pathetic sight, and the look of determination on the drivers face, I couldn't hold it together and pulled over to laugh my ass off. I assume that was the intention all along. Now thanks to this thread, I realize he was just having more fun than I could ever understand 
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Posted: 2/20/2019 2:02:45 PM EDT
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I had a BRZ for 8 months (had to sell it after getting married).
In the back roads it is very fun and the car stays flat. The feel of the car is very good and well sorted out. I loved the driving position - getting back into my STI made it feel like I was driving a truck compared to BRZ. The car is actually decently quick enough but it feels gutless in the mid range due to the notorious torque dip. I feel that this is a big problem especially since he car is all about making you feel good rather than pushing out big numbers. If you are on the track and keeping the revs between 5-7k RPM then it is not a problem as you are in the sweet spot. The rear seats are a joke and I think it made the car needlessly long. Yes the trunk space is pretty good for its class if the BRZ was your only car. In summary I'd look at a S2000 in good condition or a lightly used ND Miata. ND isn't any faster but the flatter torque curve in that car will make you feel better. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 2:05:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ding ding. If you're okay with speeding then there's no argument against a Corvette that wins IMO. It will hang in the corners and then obliterate you soon as your not in one. That will especially help if you plan to finance the car. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 2:33:17 PM EDT
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I think the point is anything in the category of "fun" a 86 can do, a Miata can do better. Face the fact the 86 is a very niche car, the Miata is better at being more fun. Enter practically, why the hell is that here when shopping for a "fun" car? 1 car owner most likely? Otherwise that's got no business here which means compromises. Imo, buy a old clap trap truck for truck stuff, buy a eco box for dd and buy a sport car for fun....at which point unless you get the Miata. And I do...I want one. The next logical step to me is the Mustang GT w/track pack or vette in the FR configuration. For example, picking the kids up from school. The downside here is I doubt the BRZ/FRS would even be half the fun the bike is on low speed city streets. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 2:45:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What makes a car like the BRZ/FRS interesting to me is that it presents the possibility of replacing my motorcycle as a fun vehicle but being practical enough to drive more frequently. I simply don't get to ride the bike enough because I often need the cabin or cargo space of my truck for whatever we're doing, weather, etc. Bike rides almost have to be planned out to not cause an inconvenience. A fun car wouldn't replace my truck as a DD but it could give me more chances to drive it in certain situations my bike just doesn't work for. For example, picking the kids up from school. The downside here is I doubt the BRZ/FRS would even be half the fun the bike is on low speed city streets. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 3:06:04 PM EDT
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You’d be surprised. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: What makes a car like the BRZ/FRS interesting to me is that it presents the possibility of replacing my motorcycle as a fun vehicle but being practical enough to drive more frequently. I simply don't get to ride the bike enough because I often need the cabin or cargo space of my truck for whatever we're doing, weather, etc. Bike rides almost have to be planned out to not cause an inconvenience. A fun car wouldn't replace my truck as a DD but it could give me more chances to drive it in certain situations my bike just doesn't work for. For example, picking the kids up from school. The downside here is I doubt the BRZ/FRS would even be half the fun the bike is on low speed city streets. Where I think a fun car would really shine for me is being able to comfortably drive it down the highway on the way to drive some different fun roads. I don't find riding on the highway fun, I'm going fast enough where the wind has pretty much made most of the smells and noises go away, and I can't really look around and enjoy the scenery at all because in a split second I could die. Which I generally solve by avoiding the highway if I can, but it's the most effective way to get into some new riding territory quickly so I usually lose out on time I can spend riding the funner stuff. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 4:22:02 PM EDT
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Do you ride? I don't doubt it can be fun but it's hard for me to imagine it would be all that fun when simply going down a straight road at 25mph is fun on my bike. Even going slow and straight it's still so engaging, not to mention the wind, the smells, the noises, etc. I've never got the same impression from a car. The BRZ I test drove I didn't really get to fuck around with so it felt pretty normal. Now, if I drove it like a hooligan I'm sure I could have fun, but again I go to compare it to my bike and if I ride that like a hooligan I'm going to have fun also. Where I think a fun car would really shine for me is being able to comfortably drive it down the highway on the way to drive some different fun roads. I don't find riding on the highway fun, I'm going fast enough where the wind has pretty much made most of the smells and noises go away, and I can't really look around and enjoy the scenery at all because in a split second I could die. Which I generally solve by avoiding the highway if I can, but it's the most effective way to get into some new riding territory quickly so I usually lose out on time I can spend riding the funner stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: What makes a car like the BRZ/FRS interesting to me is that it presents the possibility of replacing my motorcycle as a fun vehicle but being practical enough to drive more frequently. I simply don't get to ride the bike enough because I often need the cabin or cargo space of my truck for whatever we're doing, weather, etc. Bike rides almost have to be planned out to not cause an inconvenience. A fun car wouldn't replace my truck as a DD but it could give me more chances to drive it in certain situations my bike just doesn't work for. For example, picking the kids up from school. The downside here is I doubt the BRZ/FRS would even be half the fun the bike is on low speed city streets. Where I think a fun car would really shine for me is being able to comfortably drive it down the highway on the way to drive some different fun roads. I don't find riding on the highway fun, I'm going fast enough where the wind has pretty much made most of the smells and noises go away, and I can't really look around and enjoy the scenery at all because in a split second I could die. Which I generally solve by avoiding the highway if I can, but it's the most effective way to get into some new riding territory quickly so I usually lose out on time I can spend riding the funner stuff. Let me give you an idea... Driving 80 MPH on the interstate in my F-150 SuperCrew is a non-event. The 5.0L Coyote V8 stays somewhere on the south side of 2k RPMs, and I can forget it's there until the Magnaflow muffler starts to hum a bit going up grades under load. There isn't much other noise unless I'm listing to music or having a conversation with passengers, which is a thing I can do. I can sit in my big ass leather seats, set the cruise control, and relax while sipping on a beverage and watching the world around me through the big windows and mirrors. When I'm driving 80 MPH on the interstate in my NA Miata... shit. is. happening. The engine is spinning ~4k RPMs, and the throttle is so responsive in that range that it takes more concentration just to hold speed. The top kills visibility and doesn't reduce noise, so it's better to keep it down. Between the engine, the wind, and the road noise, there is no music and there will be no conversations. Going down the road, you can feel every seam, crack, and divot in the pavement, and that speed, they're constant. Just the air alone moves the car around more. And then there's the traffic... Midsize sedans like Accords and Sonatas are vehicles you look up into. CUVs like Equinoxes and Muranos look like commercial trucks, and the whole time you're passing them, you're looking into their mirror to see is Suzy the Soccer mom sees you or is even paying attention. Actual commercial trucks like 18 wheelers? Shit, man. It's pretty much best to assume that everyone is actively trying to kill you and plan accordingly. Comparing the Miata to the F-150 is like comparing an open cockpit biplane to a passenger jet. One is a hell of a lot more fun, the other is a hell of a lot more capable and easier to live with. The 86 is somewhere in between the two. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 4:35:32 PM EDT
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That's the beauty of the 200 HP BRZ/86. You can hit redline and rip through the gears on the city streets. Really use the engine like it was designed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hitting redline in the Vette means violating every speed limit in the state. Of course I have never done that. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 4:46:04 PM EDT
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It's not a binary on or off kind of thing. It's a spectrum. Let me give you an idea... Driving 80 MPH on the interstate in my F-150 SuperCrew is a non-event. The 5.0L Coyote V8 stays somewhere on the south side of 2k RPMs, and I can forget it's there until the Magnaflow muffler starts to hum a bit going up grades under load. There isn't much other noise unless I'm listing to music or having a conversation with passengers, which is a thing I can do. I can sit in my big ass leather seats, set the cruise control, and relax while sipping on a beverage and watching the world around me through the big windows and mirrors. When I'm driving 80 MPH on the interstate in my NA Miata... shit. is. happening. The engine is spinning ~4k RPMs, and the throttle is so responsive in that range that it takes more concentration just to hold speed. The top kills visibility and doesn't reduce noise, so it's better to keep it down. Between the engine, the wind, and the road noise, there is no music and there will be no conversations. Going down the road, you can feel every seam, crack, and divot in the pavement, and that speed, they're constant. Just the air alone moves the car around more. And then there's the traffic... Midsize sedans like Accords and Sonatas are vehicles you look up into. CUVs like Equinoxes and Muranos look like commercial trucks, and the whole time you're passing them, you're looking into their mirror to see is Suzy the Soccer mom sees you or is even paying attention. Actual commercial trucks like 18 wheelers? Shit, man. It's pretty much best to assume that everyone is actively trying to kill you and plan accordingly. Comparing the Miata to the F-150 is like comparing an open cockpit biplane to a passenger jet. One is a hell of a lot more fun, the other is a hell of a lot more capable and easier to live with. The 86 is somewhere in between the two. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: What makes a car like the BRZ/FRS interesting to me is that it presents the possibility of replacing my motorcycle as a fun vehicle but being practical enough to drive more frequently. I simply don't get to ride the bike enough because I often need the cabin or cargo space of my truck for whatever we're doing, weather, etc. Bike rides almost have to be planned out to not cause an inconvenience. A fun car wouldn't replace my truck as a DD but it could give me more chances to drive it in certain situations my bike just doesn't work for. For example, picking the kids up from school. The downside here is I doubt the BRZ/FRS would even be half the fun the bike is on low speed city streets. Where I think a fun car would really shine for me is being able to comfortably drive it down the highway on the way to drive some different fun roads. I don't find riding on the highway fun, I'm going fast enough where the wind has pretty much made most of the smells and noises go away, and I can't really look around and enjoy the scenery at all because in a split second I could die. Which I generally solve by avoiding the highway if I can, but it's the most effective way to get into some new riding territory quickly so I usually lose out on time I can spend riding the funner stuff. Let me give you an idea... Driving 80 MPH on the interstate in my F-150 SuperCrew is a non-event. The 5.0L Coyote V8 stays somewhere on the south side of 2k RPMs, and I can forget it's there until the Magnaflow muffler starts to hum a bit going up grades under load. There isn't much other noise unless I'm listing to music or having a conversation with passengers, which is a thing I can do. I can sit in my big ass leather seats, set the cruise control, and relax while sipping on a beverage and watching the world around me through the big windows and mirrors. When I'm driving 80 MPH on the interstate in my NA Miata... shit. is. happening. The engine is spinning ~4k RPMs, and the throttle is so responsive in that range that it takes more concentration just to hold speed. The top kills visibility and doesn't reduce noise, so it's better to keep it down. Between the engine, the wind, and the road noise, there is no music and there will be no conversations. Going down the road, you can feel every seam, crack, and divot in the pavement, and that speed, they're constant. Just the air alone moves the car around more. And then there's the traffic... Midsize sedans like Accords and Sonatas are vehicles you look up into. CUVs like Equinoxes and Muranos look like commercial trucks, and the whole time you're passing them, you're looking into their mirror to see is Suzy the Soccer mom sees you or is even paying attention. Actual commercial trucks like 18 wheelers? Shit, man. It's pretty much best to assume that everyone is actively trying to kill you and plan accordingly. Comparing the Miata to the F-150 is like comparing an open cockpit biplane to a passenger jet. One is a hell of a lot more fun, the other is a hell of a lot more capable and easier to live with. The 86 is somewhere in between the two. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 4:53:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly, I think we're on the same page. I'm just saying that in even mundane driving scenarios my bike feels like your Miata and I'm afraid the BRZ/FRS (or anything similar really) will feel too close to my truck (or any other average vehicle) on that spectrum unless I'm purposely pushing its limits. Maybe that's exactly what some people want, lady in the street freaks in the sheets, but as a "fun" only vehicle I'm afraid it's going to fall short. That perspective might be the whole reason we're all discussing a differing opinion of the car. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 4:59:50 PM EDT
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The illusion of speed then. Gross. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 5:18:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be surprised if any car is going to give the same experience/feel you get from a bike, at least in similar driving experiences. I think to get the same level of engagement you need to be much closer to the edge in a car. I was going to buy a bike until I read up and the consensus seems to be people are driving worse than ever and you're going to have an accident of some kind. I'm healthy and don't need a limp or permanent pain, so I opted for the BRZ as something fun to drive. And to me, it really is. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 10:17:48 PM EDT
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Nah, it's more about clutching, shifting, and bouncing the needle off redline with grace. Listening to the feedback from the engine, seeing how smoothly you can make her sing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The illusion of speed then. Gross. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 10:38:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: Do you ride? I don't doubt it can be fun but it's hard for me to imagine it would be all that fun when simply going down a straight road at 25mph is fun on my bike. Even going slow and straight it's still so engaging, not to mention the wind, the smells, the noises, etc. I've never got the same impression from a car. The BRZ I test drove I didn't really get to fuck around with so it felt pretty normal. Now, if I drove it like a hooligan I'm sure I could have fun, but again I go to compare it to my bike and if I ride that like a hooligan I'm going to have fun also. Where I think a fun car would really shine for me is being able to comfortably drive it down the highway on the way to drive some different fun roads. I don't find riding on the highway fun, I'm going fast enough where the wind has pretty much made most of the smells and noises go away, and I can't really look around and enjoy the scenery at all because in a split second I could die. Which I generally solve by avoiding the highway if I can, but it's the most effective way to get into some new riding territory quickly so I usually lose out on time I can spend riding the funner stuff. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 10:56:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I do. KTM 690 Enduro in sumo dress. The BRZ and Miata are as close as I’ve found to a bike while still being a cager. Had a factory turbo Mazdaspeed Miata that was a blast but it was too small for my needs. I’ve considered a Lotus Elise but the BRZ is a lot cheaper. The BRZ rear seats also fold down giving enough trunk space to fit a mountain bike with the wheels removed. Wasn’t a fan of putting a wheel and tire in the passenger seat when I shredded a tire with the Miata. I dont know if I could enjoy life without a bike, but I've been wanting to add a pair of CRF250L's for the wife & I and if I do that maybe I'll look at a BRZ harder to replace the CB500. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 11:34:26 PM EDT
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I wouldn’t give up the bike for anything. But I’m around DC a lot and I’m not riding 495. I’ve had cars with double the horsepower, and the BRZ could use 50 more, but it scratches the bike itch for me. If you get a chance to test drive one you can beat on a bit without a salesman in the car you’ll get a little better feel for it. There are lots of FR-S/BRZ/86’s out there and most are not molested by “tuners”. Conversely, finding something like a clean Honda S2000 is going to be nearly impossible for a fair price.
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Posted: 2/21/2019 2:00:13 AM EDT
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I wouldn’t give up the bike for anything. But I’m around DC a lot and I’m not riding 495. I’ve had cars with double the horsepower, and the BRZ could use 50 more, but it scratches the bike itch for me. If you get a chance to test drive one you can beat on a bit without a salesman in the car you’ll get a little better feel for it. There are lots of FR-S/BRZ/86’s out there and most are not molested by “tuners”. Conversely, finding something like a clean Honda S2000 is going to be nearly impossible for a fair price. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:17:56 AM EDT
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If you go for it be aware they’re terrible in snow/ice without studded snow tires. The ass end is so light you won’t get much of anywhere....even with traction control on. If you go with a car with larger brakes you’ll have issues finding a set of steel wheels that will fit. If it’s just a fair weather car disregard.
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:59:27 AM EDT
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If you go for it be aware they’re terrible in snow/ice without studded snow tires. The ass end is so light you won’t get much of anywhere....even with traction control on. If you go with a car with larger brakes you’ll have issues finding a set of steel wheels that will fit. If it’s just a fair weather car disregard. The real question is wtf am I doing with my truck & my wife's car. She needs a new one & I would really prefer a 4x4 truck although mine has worked well for a 2wd. Those choices will really decide if I work in another fun vehicle or not. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 10:59:28 AM EDT
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Like I said above...a 4Runner/BRZ/bike combo works pretty well!
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:14:46 PM EDT
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This thread taught me I can get an old lightly used Corvette instead of a new lightly used FRS for around the same price. Now I'm doing my research on C5 and C6 Corvettes.
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:17:04 PM EDT
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This thread taught me I can get an old lightly used Corvette instead of a new lightly used FRS for around the same price. Now I'm doing my research on C5 and C6 Corvettes. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 4:22:27 PM EDT
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That's ricer shit. Lotta noise and nothing to show for it. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 5:05:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No it's racecar shit. Ripping through the gears and hearing the engine sing is universal to all sports cars and motorcycles. Getting so you have seamless clutching/shifting when there is total chaos going on in the engine.
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Posted: 2/21/2019 5:10:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's only racecar shit if you actually end up going somewhere. That Metro was not doing racecar shit! |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 5:13:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh you end up going somewhere in my 86. I don't know about the older cars. Maybe they were dogs, and I've never driven one of the older models, but my 86 has no problem zipping me right on up there. Mine is the 6-speed manual too so you can keep the engine spinning where its making power at all times. I could imagine the auto is a bit doggish. Although I imagine somebody stepping out of a new Z06 vette into a new BRZ might give you one of these "  " about that going somewhere part
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Posted: 2/21/2019 5:14:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just giving ya shit. Although I imagine somebody stepping out of a new Z06 vette into a new BRZ might give you one of these " " about that going somewhere part |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 5:28:00 PM EDT
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This thread taught me I can get an old lightly used Corvette instead of a new lightly used FRS for around the same price. Now I'm doing my research on C5 and C6 Corvettes.
You can find base C6 cars for that kind of money though. 674rwhp for $22k |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 5:41:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I looked over on Corvette forum and I didn't see any $20k C6 Z06 cars.
You can find base C6 cars for that kind of money though. 674rwhp for $22k |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 6:01:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I looked over on Corvette forum and I didn't see any $20k C6 Z06 cars.
You can find base C6 cars for that kind of money though. 674rwhp for $22k Cheapest BRZ/FRS I saw on there (that wasn't wrecked) was 10k. Most that looked decent & had decent mileage were 15k+ (obviously + as age and miles went down). New looks like 23k-35k (looks like dealer mods on the more expensive ones) |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 6:06:09 PM EDT
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Are any of you even able to find a BRZ or 86 in a non shitty color and with a standard in your area?
About the only 86 I can find with a manual is that black TRD with cheesy hockey stripe for about $34k, which doesn’t seem like a deal at all. Hell, I can’t even find a new Miata with a manual around here. |
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