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I'm lucky, retirement pay is not taxed in PA. Obviously some states do tax retirees. Is this a new development in Michigan? Is all retiree pay taxed there, or just some ?

If that is a new development then there would be hell to pay, heck, there would be armed rampaging seniors on the streets here if the law was changed and hell to pay for any party that was in charge when the law changed.  And, as for voting, Shit would roll up hill.

For the fixed income crowd, I believe money trumps principles for a lot of them. Some will say you can' t eat principles, and party loyalty goes down the toilet if you tax their pay.



Edit: Now I get it, UAW Motherfuckers were only pension plan not getting taxed by the state, unlike all the other pension plans, so now they are pissed.  Fuck em.  All or none. There should be no exemptions.

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Most people are smart enough to know the difference between a tax increase and the elimination of a exemption for a politically connected special interest group.  

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Thing is, between the Tea Party and Repub tactics, they did "reach out" to them. To people of color as well.

Obama just promised all of them more.

"Reaching out" only really means "promising stuff" in one way or another. Bear that in mind.

The Right is so far behind the Left right now it isn't even funny. They have the sheep believing that tax cuts are bad, big government is good, and that conservative thought is crazy.

THAT's what we're up against. Generations of people indoctrinated to believe the above.

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White, gun owning middle class retirees. Blaim thier republican govenor for taxing UAW retiree pensions. Pissed about rising health care costs.

Either voted for Obama or not at all. But were rather smug that Obama was re-elected and didnt like Romney at all.

The republicans have got to do a better job of reaching those kind of people in future elections.

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If its a tax increase i'm opposed to it, no matter who it targets. If its a tax decrease I support it no matter who it targets.

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So you are OK with a tax decrease even if it only targets a particular special interest group ...

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did you tell both of them to FOAD?

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White, gun owning middle class retirees. Blaim thier republican govenor for taxing UAW retiree pensions. Pissed about rising health care costs.

Either voted for Obama or not at all. But were rather smug that Obama was re-elected and didnt like Romney at all.

The republicans have got to do a better job of reaching those kind of people in future elections.

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I know most dislike UAW workers and blame them for many problems.  But try to look at it from their perspective.  They loyally worked, enduring strikes they did not want, sometimes crappy working conditions, and many other things.  And despite some skewed beliefs from those who did not live in the union worker world, union workers do not make as much money or have as many benefits as the haters want to believe.  

During the bankruptcy (yes,bankruptcy, just like Romney said should happen) many were forced into early retirement and lost a large portion of the retirement they had been working towards for twenty plus years.   Given jobs are scare in this area, and the limited education and experience of the retirees, coupled with their age, they cannot simply go out and begin another career.  

Every year a little bit more of that limited income is being whittled away by deals the unions are making or programs shoved down their throats by government.  When our lovely republican governor slapped a large tax on those pensions, many who had flipped from Democrat to Republican because of the bankruptcy, flipped right back.   I know arf does not like to hear this, but these people have worked hard and were promised much, and now are facing a future with less means than they were planning on having.  

If less pay, less benefits, more tax is the new way, that is great.  But the retirees should not be subject to all of it.  They put their time in, worked hard, and planned their futures based on what they fully believed and were promised was protected.  I do not doubt that most here would end up feeling the same when faced with their money being taken away by government.  

I am staunchly anti union.  The UAW specifically has outlived its purpose and has become a monster.   But I am NOT anti union worker.  The two are not the same.

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The Republicans don't want to. They are repulsed at the notion of trying to win more blue collar whites. They want to win people who cannot be won - Hispanics.

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As I've said before.

They need to run a conservative.

If the country has reached the point where a conservative can't win, then let it sink that much faster.

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So you are you saying not to try? You are going to write off 47%?

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The mainstream media owns those fools, lock stock and barrel.  



Until the leftist media has a stake driven through its heart, nothing will sway people like this.

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The mainstream media owns those fools, lock stock and barrel.  

Until the leftist media has a stake driven through its heart, nothing will sway people like this.

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Their litmus test; "what will the government give me if a certain candidate is elected?"

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Most of you are way over thinking this. You could have just stopped at UAW union retiree for most of these guys. They have been voting a straight democrat ticket for 30+ years, and for the most part are very ignorant. They literally hate the very companies that paid their wages and benefits all the years they worked, and in many cases their retirements for the last 10-20 years. They are not able to use logic or reason, and just shut down resorting to the standard lib talking points when confronted with things they do not agree with. They will never be able to see things from an unbiased viewpoint, and will never change.

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Yep x a trillion.


 

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All the pensions were not taxed, the Gov wanted more tax dollars, "R"s are just as much a problem as "D"s are when they get greedy fingers. Had nothing to do with unions and everything to do with the govt ["R"] getting their hands on more cash.