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Quoted: I have a YHM QD .30 Phantom suppressor sitting in my safe unused and I'm kicking around building a smallish AR10 in .308 for shits and giggles. I've spec-ed out an Aero M5 receiver set and their 15" Atlas rail, a Toolcraft dual ejector BCG, and a Faxon Big Gunner profile, 16" barrel. I can't decide if I want to go w/ a fixed A1 stock or something collapsible. Someone talk me off this ledge... Just get an DSA/FAL or Socom 16 if you care about reliability. |
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Quoted: 16" Armalite AR-10B with YHM .30 ULT. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77917/20180803_191220_jpg-2690542.JPG #OhioEd How is that YHM 30 for quieting down that Armalite? |
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That is just a waste of money. You will spend a lot on it, setting it up and getting it running right. You will shoot it a few times then be upset you didn't but a 7-9 inch barrel, then it will sit in your safe or a corner, gathering dust for years. You will never shoot it again. You will then move on to the next great idea you have, which will also be a flop and waste of money. Buy some Little Debbie Oatmeal Creme Pies and watch TV. Be fat and happy. |
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Quoted: Build one with an 18" barrel. 16" wastes too much powder. Problem solved. |
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Quoted: Just get an DSA/FAL or Socom 16 if you care about reliability. |
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Quoted: Mmmm....16" FAL would be very tasty. Have to research those. Are DSA still the go to for those? Had one in the past and loved it. Tried to turn it into a DMR and sold it when it wouldn't perform like I wanted. Should've known better and just left it as a battle rifle. Quoted: Quoted: Just get an DSA/FAL or Socom 16 if you care about reliability. Mmmm....16" FAL would be very tasty. Have to research those. Are DSA still the go to for those? Had one in the past and loved it. Tried to turn it into a DMR and sold it when it wouldn't perform like I wanted. Should've known better and just left it as a battle rifle.  Or... do you want an OSW? |
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Quoted: Mmmm....16" FAL would be very tasty. Have to research those. Are DSA still the go to for those? Had one in the past and loved it. Tried to turn it into a DMR and sold it when it wouldn't perform like I wanted. Should've known better and just left it as a battle rifle. FALs look cool but the ergos SUUUUUUCK. I nstead of building an AR-10, I’d suggesting buying a basic complete 16” and accessorizing it the way you want. That’s what I did and my Armalite has been MUCH more reliable than either the FAL or SOCOM I owned. |
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Quoted: Mmmm....16" FAL would be very tasty. Have to research those. Are DSA still the go to for those? Had one in the past and loved it. Tried to turn it into a DMR and sold it when it wouldn't perform like I wanted. Should've known better and just left it as a battle rifle. Quoted: Quoted: Just get an DSA/FAL or Socom 16 if you care about reliability. Mmmm....16" FAL would be very tasty. Have to research those. Are DSA still the go to for those? Had one in the past and loved it. Tried to turn it into a DMR and sold it when it wouldn't perform like I wanted. Should've known better and just left it as a battle rifle. I've got a factory built DSA and a bunch of surplus kit FALs...the surplus kit FALs so far, bore concentricity / flash hider and can concentricity just isn't there  Running an alignment rod down the para I was going to use, showed clear contact with baffles and endcaps. I haven't ripped the combo device off the DSA-built gun yet to see if that's good to go yet, but...not sanguine about it.Plus, with a FAL, you're just not going to use it for accuracy stuff. An AR should hold MOA depending on build specs, barrel, etc...but a FAL just isn't going to do that, not without a lot of luck. On the upshot, DSA does sell a specific gas plug for use with suppressors...I have one, I just need to find a gun I can actually put it in that won't destroy the can... |
| OP, the only suggestion that I would make would be to look at other barrels outside of just the Faxon Gunner barrel. I am not saying that the Gunner barrel is a bad barrel. I am saying that I had a 20" Gunner on my AR .308 and got somewhere in the 2.5-3 moa range. Others have gotten better results. I ended up switching out the barrel for a Rainer Arms 20" Ultramatch barrel. I got sub-moa out of the box using match ammo with the Rainier barrel. Yes, there is quite a price difference. I think the Gunner barrel was about $220-230 and the Rainier Ultramatch was a bit north of $450. |
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You can't build a decent ar10 for the price of a ruger sfar. Its a no brainer. |
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Quoted: I'll be honest, I haven't researched these and didn't know they offered a 16". Looking at the very quickly, they appear to be a very solid option for a very fair price. I'll definitely be doing more research on them. Quoted: Quoted: You can't build a decent ar10 for the price of a ruger sfar. Its a no brainer. I'll be honest, I haven't researched these and didn't know they offered a 16". Looking at the very quickly, they appear to be a very solid option for a very fair price. I'll definitely be doing more research on them. Lots of reports of seriously dinged brass, as well as lots of reports of tight chambers (people popping primers with factory ammo, etc), mediocre at best accuracy - big thread on Sniper's Hide. I'd say it's a work in progress at best... |
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Quoted: Who makes those, do you know? Quoted: Who makes those, do you know? Our Craftsmanship Guarantee We are so confident in the craftsmanship of our barrels, if our barrel doesn’t outshoot your similar priced barrel, send it back for a full refund. While most companies strive for faster production time to cut cost, we strive only for quality. Our barrels are made the old-fashioned way by True Barrel Artisans™. Every barrel is carefully chambered & crowned by hand. We have a few secrets up our sleeves that no CNC machine can reproduce. There are no shortcuts with our barrels, period. We will go toe to toe with anyone and win. From Rainier website. |
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Quoted: #OhioEd How is that YHM 30 for quieting down that Armalite? Quoted: Quoted: 16" Armalite AR-10B with YHM .30 ULT. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77917/20180803_191220_jpg-2690542.JPG #OhioEd How is that YHM 30 for quieting down that Armalite? It's very nice. If not for the supersonic crack, it would be very hearing safe. The ULT (Ultra Light Tactical) is titanium with stainless and inconel (spelling?) baffles. For the size of it, it only weighs 13 oz. I like it,. |
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Quoted: Just buy a sig 716i and be done with it I don't trust Ruger to make an accurate reliable anything right off the bat. Attached File |
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Quoted: That is just a waste of money. You will spend a lot on it, setting it up and getting it running right. You will shoot it a few times then be upset you didn't but a 7-9 inch barrel, then it will sit in your safe or a corner, gathering dust for years. You will never shoot it again. You will then move on to the next great idea you have, which will also be a flop and waste of money. Buy some Little Debbie Oatmeal Creme Pies and watch TV. Be fat and happy. Attached File |
| I think 16 is about right for a .308, I’d even prefer shorter. But that’s the kind of shooting I’d be using it for and where I feel it shines, not necessarily yours. I didn’t homebuild mine, but I’ve got an MWS and OBR both in 16” and they’re both very nice setups. |
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Quoted: OP, get an LMT and use whatever barrel you want, when you want. The MWS is a damn nice rifle. It starts off expensive, which isn’t entirely fair since it is very quality, but even then it starts getting a lot cheaper when you factor in the quick pull barrels. My 16” CL turned into a 16” SS and now has a 20” 6.5CM to swap between. They make a host of profiles, calibers, and lengths to make it a very flexible setup. |
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Quoted: @jhon Federal Power Shok 180gr Soft Point Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nope. 12.5" took a big doe at 225 yds with it this year. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/337946/20180823_203440-649068.jpg @d16man what load are you using for deer? That looks like a very handy setup. @jhon Federal Power Shok 180gr Soft Point I’ve been using 165gr Gameking. This year I got five deer w/ the load. Two headshots, a neck shot, and two chest shots. All worked fine. |
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This looks perfect. |
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Quoted: Do it! Collapsible stock and P&W 14.5" barrel instead. I've got a PWS MK214 which came that way - uber-awesome and a lot handier. Finally found a pic Attached File |
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Faxon has a 13.9" 308 Big Gunner. https://faxonfirearms.com/faxon-duty-series-13-9-big-gunner-308-win-mid-length-4150-qpq-nitride-ar-10-barrel/ |
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Quoted: You can't build a decent ar10 for the price of a ruger sfar. Its a no brainer. ^^ IMO you can’t build a decent AR-10 for the price of a POF Rogue, and the SFAR is cheaper than the Rouge. I think that I will get an SFAR. I can say that the Rogue is literally like carrying an AR-15. It’s a bit snappy but still pretty easy to control for double taps or controlled 7s. I was always a FAL guy, but the Rogue is what the AR10 always should have been. |
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Quoted: Those are very interesting rifles. My 10’s are definitely not on the light side. I love my 17 for being a lightweight .308 but the Rogue looks awesome, and the SFAR looks almost as awesome at a very attractive price. Quoted: Quoted: Get a SFAR or ROGUE. Those are very interesting rifles. My 10’s are definitely not on the light side. I love my 17 for being a lightweight .308 but the Rogue looks awesome, and the SFAR looks almost as awesome at a very attractive price. I have a red dot, light and sling on my Rogue. It’s set up exactly like my 556 carbine. As a “patrol” carbine it is just about perfect. I have always been a fan of the full sized FAL for my.308 needs. The Rogue is basically an AR15 that shoots .308. No oversized bolt or receivers, 6 pounds empty, it’s a marvel of modern engineering. I have owned several different large frames starting with a DPMS 24” bull barrel back in the early days. They are pigs for what they are. |
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12.5 Mid-length gas is where it's at. Runs like a fucking champ. Attached File |
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Quoted: I have a YHM QD .30 Phantom suppressor sitting in my safe unused and I'm kicking around building a smallish AR10 in .308 for shits and giggles. I've spec-ed out an Aero M5 receiver set and their 15" Atlas rail, a Toolcraft dual ejector BCG, and a Faxon Big Gunner profile, 16" barrel. I can't decide if I want to go w/ a fixed A1 stock or something collapsible. Someone talk me off this ledge... What’s your purpose with the build? |
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Quoted: Lots of reports of seriously dinged brass, as well as lots of reports of tight chambers (people popping primers with factory ammo, etc), mediocre at best accuracy - big thread on Sniper's Hide. I'd say it's a work in progress at best... Mine chucks brass. Accuracy has been acceptable so far but the recoil impulse is odd due to the jetting or whatever. Still a fun gun to shoot. |
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I have a YHM QD .30 Phantom suppressor sitting in my safe unused and I'm kicking around building a smallish AR10 in .308 for shits and giggles. I've spec-ed out an Aero M5 receiver set and their 15" Atlas rail, a Toolcraft dual ejector BCG, and a Faxon Big Gunner profile, 16" barrel. I can't decide if I want to go w/ a fixed A1 stock or something collapsible. Someone talk me off this ledge... |
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Quoted: Build one with an 18" barrel. 16" wastes too much powder. Problem solved. I don't care for the aesthetics of the Aero handguard for use with the proprietary upper, but it's rock solid and was a good deal.  |