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Link Posted: 3/16/2011 9:21:51 AM EDT
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... if you are not in lock step with the facist element, you are the enemy


"Facist element"?

Kind of over the top, don't you think?

I hope this young man wins his lawsuit and embarrasses the idiots in the TSA.

If I had thought of this, I would have had room to write the whole Bill of Rights on my belly.




No I don't really . . . what would you call it?


Exactly, The ONLY thing over the top is TSA..IMO, they are a facist element that wants everyone to adhere to their "RULES" , the constitution be damned




When any type of dissent to a process in direct contrast to the USCON results in being hancuffed, charged with crimes and villified as a troublemaker - among the many other things already done to a person in quuestion, it's pretty clear we are heading down the wrong road.

Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement and if that's not what we are getting with all this Patriot Act/TSA/scuttle the USCON - then please define it so I can understand it.

The idea is to strike fear into everyone so they "just go along" and to make examples of those that don't.  You all realize this is not the first example featuring TSA and it won't be the last - we all know.  Just look at some other aspects of this country and tell me you don't see the creeping spectre of fascism alive, well and all around us.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 9:23:25 AM EDT
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... if you are not in lock step with the facist element, you are the enemy


"Facist element"?

Kind of over the top, don't you think?

I hope this young man wins his lawsuit and embarrasses the idiots in the TSA.

If I had thought of this, I would have had room to write the whole Bill of Rights on my belly.



"Fascist" may not be a perfectly accurate description of government agents who detain citizens with no grounds to believe that the citizens have broken or are about to break any law, but it's close enough. I personally prefer "unemployed" and/or "corpse."



In a different time perhaps - but in today's world, they'd discover your "arsenal," "expolsives," and a heaping helping of kiddie porn after your demise.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 9:25:40 AM EDT
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This country is slipping away and fast.  if you are not in lock step with the facist element, you are the enemy


Please stop with the  "This country is going to pot" garbage.  If anything this is a story about how our country is still great.  We have youth who are adamant about protecting their rights.


I call 'em like I see 'em.  The 4th Amendment no entitles you to a 90 minute handcuffed detention - yeah - that the kinda shit that made this country great . . .

Garbage . . . . mmmkay


And they'll keep doing it until enough people stand up for what's right.  Like this kid.  I guess I 'm just a glass half full kind of guy.


Well I see both sides.  It's just I see a hell of a lot more violations going unopposed, than I do kids or anyone else for that matter, taking a "positive action."
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 9:27:26 AM EDT
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I think it probably had more to do with him taking his clothes off then what was written on his chest.


Well it's not like he just stripped down to flash them.  He opted for the pat-down knowing full well that he'd be shirtless.


So yes, he was trying to stick it to them, but his method was not illegal.
It sounds more like they got their panties in a bunch over it and wanted to put him in his place for it.


I'm just sayin' that if I was built like that kid, I'd never wear a shirt anywhere.

If that's the plan it'd be better off getting a quality tattoo.  Hell might even be able to fit the whole 4A that way.

Pp

O wait never mind.  I like that shirt.


You don't take your clothes off for the pat down if you opt out of the X-ray.



Ahhh.  I figured he had opted for a private screening that required such.

Stripping down on his own however is more of an issue.  That could be seen as an attempt to taunt them... which might not go well in his favor.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 9:39:17 AM EDT
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He opted for the pat-down knowing full well that he'd be shirtless.


So you are saying that a PAT DOWN requires a shirt to be removed...seriously?


ByteTheBullet  (-:

Link Posted: 3/16/2011 1:27:21 PM EDT
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You don't take your clothes off for the pat down if you opt out of the X-ray.



Ahhh.  I figured he had opted for a private screening that required such.

Stripping down on his own however is more of an issue.  That could be seen as an attempt to taunt them... which might not go well in his favor.


Stripping down to the extent he did is not illegal. Taunting government employees is not illegal. The use of governmental authority to redress a personal slight - say, cuffing a citizen for 90 minutes because he taunted you - should be a felony.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 1:28:41 PM EDT
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A 21-year-old Virginia man who wrote an abbreviated version of the Fourth Amendment on his body and stripped to his shorts at an airport security screening area is demanding $250,000 in damages for being detained on a disorderly conduct charge.


I think the charges were bullshit, but the kid was trying to provoke them.

Good on him.


Wasn't exactly a Herculean task....
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 1:32:03 PM EDT
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A 21-year-old Virginia man who wrote an abbreviated version of the Fourth Amendment on his body and stripped to his shorts at an airport security screening area is demanding $250,000 in damages for being detained on a disorderly conduct charge.


I think the charges were bullshit, but the kid was trying to provoke them.

Good on him.


Wasn't exactly a Herculean task....


Don't be too hasty. It is harder than you might imagine to hold up one end of a conversation while limiting yourself to concrete subjects and monosyllabic words. Remember, if they don't understand you, it's not good provocation - and in that case, why bother?
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 1:39:31 PM EDT
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A 21-year-old Virginia man who wrote an abbreviated version of the Fourth Amendment on his body and stripped to his shorts at an airport security screening area is demanding $250,000 in damages for being detained on a disorderly conduct charge.


I think the charges were bullshit, but the kid was trying to provoke them.

Good on him.


I see no provocation!!!
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 1:46:03 PM EDT
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The good folks at the TSA do not like to be disrespected.



Link Posted: 3/16/2011 1:50:12 PM EDT
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TSA got trolled hard



I hope this kid gets his $250k (less attorney fees) and more folks start doing stuff like this and bleed those useless fuckers dry.
Speed
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 1:50:55 PM EDT
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Good for him.  I hope he hits his pay day.  Just wish it was more.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 2:36:52 PM EDT
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The kid will end up on the no fly list, and face decades of IRS audits.



This is exactly what our government wants you to think too.



Do not question - do as you're told.  



Don't like it? Don't fly, travel by train, go to sporting events, shopping malls, or whatever else they decide to stick their nose into.



There are those who benefit from this insanity, either by contracts or employment.  There are those who think all this makes security better.  Then there are the rest of us who aren't being fooled, because we know better and aren't profiting.



In my opinion, this will ultimately self-correct when public opinion turns against everyone being treated like the Jews in Nazi Germany - it's just a matter of time.


Link Posted: 3/16/2011 2:48:05 PM EDT
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But the TSA Agents on trial for treason, if found guilty, then hang them.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 2:54:00 PM EDT
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YOU WILL COMPLY~!
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 2:55:07 PM EDT
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We need more of this. Lots more.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 2:55:33 PM EDT
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"while under interrogation on December 30, the authorities wanted to know "about his affiliation with, or knowledge of, any terrorist organizations"


there are not enough of these in the universe to express how screwed up the TSA/Feds are

what if he had a copy of the Constitution on him as well?


A terrorist manifesto!
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 3:09:13 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/16/2011 3:21:43 PM EDT
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I hope he sues and gets somebody fired.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 3:25:07 PM EDT
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So you display an amendment of the U.S. Constitution on your body or otherwise and you are automatically suspected of involvment with terrorists?
WTF?  



U.S. Constitution = terrorist/terrorism/terrorist activity/terrorist association ?????????????????????????????????????????????


Old news. Haven't you seen the video of the Feds teaching that the Founding Fathers were terrorists?





 
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 3:35:20 PM EDT
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I read the article and it was not clear on one point:

Was he ordered to take his shirt off?
Or did he take it upon himself to remove it?


According to his lawyer, he was trying to make it easy for TSA to carry out the alternative search, because he planned on saying no to the imageing check.

Personally, I think he could have cared less about inconveniencing TSA. I DO believe that wanted to make a public statement, a scene if you may, and was carrying out a calculated plan to make sure it happened. Maybe he wsa looking for a federal civil rights lawsuit....maybe he's a hardcore "patriot" who likes going for rides for...OR maybe he is a college-aged kid looking for attention, who wants to make the most out of it.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 6:03:05 PM EDT
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I read the article and it was not clear on one point:

Was he ordered to take his shirt off?
Or did he take it upon himself to remove it?


According to his lawyer, he was trying to make it easy for TSA to carry out the alternative search, because he planned on saying no to the imageing check.

Personally, I think he could have cared less about inconveniencing TSA. I DO believe that wanted to make a public statement, a scene if you may, and was carrying out a calculated plan to make sure it happened. Maybe he wsa looking for a federal civil rights lawsuit....maybe he's a hardcore "patriot" who likes going for rides for...OR maybe he is a college-aged kid looking for attention, who wants to make the most out of it.


Could be all three are true.  Whatever makes the TSA look more foolish than it already does is ok in my book.  Not that they need much help in that department.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 7:25:58 PM EDT
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I'm with others here, saying it was his behavior that got him detained, not what was written on his chest.



He was going through a security check area, and did something unusual and potentially distracting to the TSA agents. He could have sung "I'm a little teapot" at the top of his lungs, and he was going to be detained.



They're concerned with someone creating a distraction and under cover of said distraction, allowing something else to happen, such as a handoff, signal, or even an attack.



It's pretty simple.  These TSA people are paranoid goons.  It's specifically what they are paid to be.  It's probably on the job description.



So if you go through a security area and create any kind of ruckus, any kind, and you'll be detained.



I do not see him winning anything.  He won't even get an apology.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 7:36:19 PM EDT
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Good on him, I hope his lawsuit renders every last one of them homeless.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 7:50:02 PM EDT
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I hope the kid gets it!

Tonight I was flying from Dulles to Atlanta.  First I was randomly selected for the nudie machine and then patted down after it.  While sitting at my gate (B76) a TSA guy comes up and demands my id and ticket.  He started checking everybody in the area.  

This crap is starting to tick me off.  I've had to go to the nudie machine twice in the last week.

ETA.  The worst part is every time I see one of the nudie machines I see the logo for L3 Communications.  I think that is the same company that makes the EOTech.  As a gun nut I consider that to be a slap in my face.

Ok hopefully my rant is over.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 7:54:26 PM EDT
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"while under interrogation on December 30, the authorities wanted to know "about his affiliation with, or knowledge of, any terrorist organizations"


I am at this time cooperating with a paramilitary organization whose members use unspoken but blatant threats of force and isolation from friends, family and loved ones to coerce private citizens to surrender statutory and constitutional rights of  political dissent and criticism of the organization and its allies. These same threats are used to intimidate citizens into modifying their modes of dress and comportment to conform to the wishes of the organization, and even to refrain from attempts at humor and discussion of current events which the organization or its members find distasteful. The goal of the organization is to undermine the United States by conditioning its citizens to ignore their rights and give unquestioning obedience to any person claiming to exercise the authority of the Collective. This is done in order to prepare for the eventual rise and dominance in America of the Collective, a new and alien power whose first principle is that power flows if at all from the Collective to the individual, and whose second principle is that the value of the individual consists entirely of his utility to the Collective. Each member of the organization with which I am presently cooperating is sworn to serve and promote the Collective.

The members of the organization wear distinctive paramilitary clothing and appear openly in public, but take measures to ensure that no member of the public with whom they interact is able to obtain any meaningful details about the individuals. Their full names, their addresses, and their comings and goings are concealed from the public, yet they have and use the means to obtain painfully detailed information about any person on whom they fix their attention. Coordinating its operations with other paramilitary organizations, the organization with which I am presently cooperating compiles and maintains secret lists of citizens whom these entities conspire to exclude from certain aspects of public life which are usually presumed to be open to all. No one is permitted to know whether his name is on a list, or the criteria by which persons are selected for inclusion in the lists.

The organization has managed to obtain the full cooperation of officials at the highest reaches of the local, state, and federal governments. Their influence with the judiciary is so strong and so pervasive that no member of the organization can be held liable for anything that he does on behalf of the organization. Even if a member of the organization strikes a citizen, or falsely imprisons him, or deliberately detains or delays him so that the citizen suffers enormous financial or emotional loss, no judge in any court will permit the citizen to bring suit against the operative.

This organization and its members have the use of funds totalling hundreds of millions of dollars per year. Through connections in the military and in law enforcement, they are able to make use of practically any database which is controlled by government at any level; when they use these databases to assist in compelling the cooperation or conformity of citizens, they refuse to explain or acknowledge the source of their information. They have sufficient access to and control of certain governmental and quasigovernmental installations that they have and use the capacity to identify and target a citizen in a crowd of people, quickly and quietly detach him from the crowd, and cause him to disappear. Such a citizen's fate and whereabouts are absolutely unknown to anyone but the organization and its allies until such time as some element of this loose syndicate elects to disclose that information. It is not uncommon for such an operation to cause a citizen to disappear from one public place and appear hours or days later in another public place or even a government facility, with little or no explanation of events.

This organization operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week. It has facilities and operatives in every American city of any notable size.

There are dozens of members of this organization present in this airport right now.

There are four of them in this room.

I swear that's all I know.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 8:01:31 PM EDT
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If I had thought of this, I would have had room to write the whole Bill of Rights on my belly.



Please, please, do NOT post pics
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 8:03:08 PM EDT
[#28]
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I am at this time cooperating with a paramilitary organization whose members use unspoken but blatant threats of force and isolation from friends, family and loved ones to coerce private citizens to surrender statutory and constitutional rights of  political dissent and criticism of the organization and its allies. These same threats are used to intimidate citizens into modifying their modes of dress and comportment to conform to the wishes of the organization, and even to refrain from attempts at humor and discussion of current events which the organization or its members find distasteful. The goal of the organization is to undermine the United States by conditioning its citizens to ignore their rights and give unquestioning obedience to any person claiming to exercise the authority of the Collective. This is done in order to prepare for the eventual rise and dominance in America of the Collective, a new and alien power whose first principle is that power flows if at all from the Collective to the individual, and whose second principle is that the value of the individual consists entirely of his utility to the Collective. Each member of the organization with which I am presently cooperating is sworn to serve and promote the Collective.

The members of the organization wear distinctive paramilitary clothing and appear openly in public, but take measures to ensure that no member of the public with whom they interact is able to obtain any meaningful details about the individuals. Their full names, their addresses, and their comings and goings are concealed from the public, yet they have and use the means to obtain painfully detailed information about any person on whom they fix their attention. Coordinating its operations with other paramilitary organizations, the organization with which I am presently cooperating compiles and maintains secret lists of citizens whom these entities conspire to exclude from certain aspects of public life which are usually presumed to be open to all. No one is permitted to know whether his name is on a list, or the criteria by which persons are selected for inclusion in the lists.

The organization has managed to obtain the full cooperation of officials at the highest reaches of the local, state, and federal governments. Their influence with the judiciary is so strong and so pervasive that no member of the organization can be held liable for anything that he does on behalf of the organization. Even if a member of the organization strikes a citizen, or falsely imprisons him, or deliberately detains or delays him so that the citizen suffers enormous financial or emotional loss, no judge in any court will permit the citizen to bring suit against the operative.

This organization and its members have the use of funds totalling hundreds of millions of dollars per year. Through connections in the military and in law enforcement, they are able to make use of practically any database which is controlled by government at any level; when they use these databases to assist in compelling the cooperation or conformity of citizens, they refuse to explain or acknowledge the source of their information. They have sufficient access to and control of certain governmental and quasigovernmental installations that they have and use the capacity to identify and target a citizen in a crowd of people, quickly and quietly detach him from the crowd, and cause him to disappear. Such a citizen's fate and whereabouts are absolutely unknown to anyone but the organization and it allies until such time as some element of this loose syndicate elects to disclose that information. It is not uncommon for such an operation to cause a citizen to disappear from one public place and appear hours or days later in another public place or even a government facility, with little or no explanation of events.

This organization operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week. It has facilities and operatives in every American city of any notable size.

There are dozens of members of this organization present in this airport right now.

There are four of them in this room.

I swear that's all I know.


*select, click, save*

This is now on my phone.  I will be printing out hard copies the next time I go flying
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 8:05:07 PM EDT
[#29]
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"while under interrogation on December 30, the authorities wanted to know "about his affiliation with, or knowledge of, any terrorist organizations"


there are not enough of these in the universe to express how screwed up the TSA/Feds are

what if he had a copy of the Constitution on him as well?


A terrorist manifesto!


More truth in that than I like to admit
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 8:12:50 PM EDT
[#30]
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"while under interrogation on December 30, the authorities wanted to know "about his affiliation with, or knowledge of, any terrorist organizations"


I am at this time cooperating with a paramilitary organization whose members use unspoken but blatant threats of force and isolation from friends, family and loved ones to coerce private citizens to surrender statutory and constitutional rights of  political dissent and criticism of the organization and its allies. These same threats are used to intimidate citizens into modifying their modes of dress and comportment to conform to the wishes of the organization, and even to refrain from attempts at humor and discussion of current events which the organization or its members find distasteful. The goal of the organization is to undermine the United States by conditioning its citizens to ignore their rights and give unquestioning obedience to any person claiming to exercise the authority of the Collective. This is done in order to prepare for the eventual rise and dominance in America of the Collective, a new and alien power whose first principle is that power flows if at all from the Collective to the individual, and whose second principle is that the value of the individual consists entirely of his utility to the Collective. Each member of the organization with which I am presently cooperating is sworn to serve and promote the Collective.

The members of the organization wear distinctive paramilitary clothing and appear openly in public, but take measures to ensure that no member of the public with whom they interact is able to obtain any meaningful details about the individuals. Their full names, their addresses, and their comings and goings are concealed from the public, yet they have and use the means to obtain painfully detailed information about any person on whom they fix their attention. Coordinating its operations with other paramilitary organizations, the organization with which I am presently cooperating compiles and maintains secret lists of citizens whom these entities conspire to exclude from certain aspects of public life which are usually presumed to be open to all. No one is permitted to know whether his name is on a list, or the criteria by which persons are selected for inclusion in the lists.

The organization has managed to obtain the full cooperation of officials at the highest reaches of the local, state, and federal governments. Their influence with the judiciary is so strong and so pervasive that no member of the organization can be held liable for anything that he does on behalf of the organization. Even if a member of the organization strikes a citizen, or falsely imprisons him, or deliberately detains or delays him so that the citizen suffers enormous financial or emotional loss, no judge in any court will permit the citizen to bring suit against the operative.

This organization and its members have the use of funds totalling hundreds of millions of dollars per year. Through connections in the military and in law enforcement, they are able to make use of practically any database which is controlled by government at any level; when they use these databases to assist in compelling the cooperation or conformity of citizens, they refuse to explain or acknowledge the source of their information. They have sufficient access to and control of certain governmental and quasigovernmental installations that they have and use the capacity to identify and target a citizen in a crowd of people, quickly and quietly detach him from the crowd, and cause him to disappear. Such a citizen's fate and whereabouts are absolutely unknown to anyone but the organization and it allies until such time as some element of this loose syndicate elects to disclose that information. It is not uncommon for such an operation to cause a citizen to disappear from one public place and appear hours or days later in another public place or even a government facility, with little or no explanation of events.

This organization operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week. It has facilities and operatives in every American city of any notable size.

There are dozens of members of this organization present in this airport right now.

There are four of them in this room.

I swear that's all I know.


Holy shit

Link Posted: 3/16/2011 8:23:02 PM EDT
[#31]
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A 21-year-old Virginia man who wrote an abbreviated version of the Fourth Amendment on his body and stripped to his shorts at an airport security screening area is demanding $250,000 in damages for being detained on a disorderly conduct charge.


I think the charges were bullshit, but the kid was trying to provoke them.

Good on him.


Pretty sad when the constitution "provokes" government agents into arresting you.  


Yep. It's too late to work within the system, yet too early to start shooting the bastards-that is the state of our country at present.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 8:23:17 PM EDT
[#32]
Quoted:
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"while under interrogation on December 30, the authorities wanted to know "about his affiliation with, or knowledge of, any terrorist organizations"


I am at this time cooperating with a paramilitary organization whose members use unspoken but blatant threats of force and isolation from friends, family and loved ones to coerce private citizens to surrender statutory and constitutional rights of  political dissent and criticism of the organization and its allies. These same threats are used to intimidate citizens into modifying their modes of dress and comportment to conform to the wishes of the organization, and even to refrain from attempts at humor and discussion of current events which the organization or its members find distasteful. The goal of the organization is to undermine the United States by conditioning its citizens to ignore their rights and give unquestioning obedience to any person claiming to exercise the authority of the Collective. This is done in order to prepare for the eventual rise and dominance in America of the Collective, a new and alien power whose first principle is that power flows if at all from the Collective to the individual, and whose second principle is that the value of the individual consists entirely of his utility to the Collective. Each member of the organization with which I am presently cooperating is sworn to serve and promote the Collective.

The members of the organization wear distinctive paramilitary clothing and appear openly in public, but take measures to ensure that no member of the public with whom they interact is able to obtain any meaningful details about the individuals. Their full names, their addresses, and their comings and goings are concealed from the public, yet they have and use the means to obtain painfully detailed information about any person on whom they fix their attention. Coordinating its operations with other paramilitary organizations, the organization with which I am presently cooperating compiles and maintains secret lists of citizens whom these entities conspire to exclude from certain aspects of public life which are usually presumed to be open to all. No one is permitted to know whether his name is on a list, or the criteria by which persons are selected for inclusion in the lists.

The organization has managed to obtain the full cooperation of officials at the highest reaches of the local, state, and federal governments. Their influence with the judiciary is so strong and so pervasive that no member of the organization can be held liable for anything that he does on behalf of the organization. Even if a member of the organization strikes a citizen, or falsely imprisons him, or deliberately detains or delays him so that the citizen suffers enormous financial or emotional loss, no judge in any court will permit the citizen to bring suit against the operative.

This organization and its members have the use of funds totalling hundreds of millions of dollars per year. Through connections in the military and in law enforcement, they are able to make use of practically any database which is controlled by government at any level; when they use these databases to assist in compelling the cooperation or conformity of citizens, they refuse to explain or acknowledge the source of their information. They have sufficient access to and control of certain governmental and quasigovernmental installations that they have and use the capacity to identify and target a citizen in a crowd of people, quickly and quietly detach him from the crowd, and cause him to disappear. Such a citizen's fate and whereabouts are absolutely unknown to anyone but the organization and it allies until such time as some element of this loose syndicate elects to disclose that information. It is not uncommon for such an operation to cause a citizen to disappear from one public place and appear hours or days later in another public place or even a government facility, with little or no explanation of events.

This organization operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week. It has facilities and operatives in every American city of any notable size.

There are dozens of members of this organization present in this airport right now.

There are four of them in this room.

I swear that's all I know.


What? You who dare call them out to their face will most certainly be culled from the collective herd.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 8:24:24 PM EDT
[#33]
I wonder, since I will be flying to L.A. next month...
Does anyone sell one of those metallic print t-shirts that says "Fuck the TSA"?  
My retirement fund could use the boost.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 8:25:49 PM EDT
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I can see how that's disorderly conduct.  90 minutes is about right.

Good for the kid though.  A little social disobedience is a good thing.



Even Hillary Clinton says that "Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism".

I'll bet she's going to regret it too....
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