[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Starship troopers. The real one. (Page 3 of 4)
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Quoted: "Last Centurions" By John Ringo Check out http://thelastcenturion.com/ He has a lot of books out. I've read them all. Best Military SciFi writer out there in my opinion. s n i p A big +1 to Ringo and his great fiction . Last Centurion was one of my favorites of any author , Live Free Or Die and the whole Troy Rising series were great , quick reads (maple syrup - LMFAO) Ive read his Ghost series as well , very good , and cant wait till the next Troy book. |
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although the big themes from the book are gone in the movie a surprising amount of stuff in the movie was in the book, including some dialogue word for word but then there is other stuff that they sort of took but then twisted around, like Zim's career a faithful movie would be more of a drama than an action movie Dizzy had a penis   Dizzy in the movie: http://2track.fortunecity.ws/3b390e00.jpg In the book the ONLY mixing of the sexes was in officer country, on a few ships, and dizzy was a dude.. Ok good I hoped you weren't referring to the actress from the movies cause then I would need to eyebleech my memories. |
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While it's based on a US/Soviet alliance (the CoDominum), you cannot beat Jerry Pournelle's "The Prince" series for politics, infantry tactics, and just plain badassary. Pournelle IS a prophet, fellow taxpayers. Fixed it for you. If none of you haven't you should check out his Chaos Manor website. Jerry Pournelle is a renaissance man in every since of the word. Soldier, scientist, author, etc. |
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While it's based on a US/Soviet alliance (the CoDominum), you cannot beat Jerry Pournelle's "The Prince" series for politics, infantry tactics, and just plain badassary. Pournelle IS a prophet, fellow taxpayers. Fixed it for you. If none of you haven't you should check out his Chaos Manor website. Jerry Pournelle is a renaissance man in every since of the word. Soldier, scientist, author, etc. Also, The Prince is the omnibus version of Falkenberg's Legion, Prince of Mercenaries, Prince of Sparta, and Go Tell the Spartans in case you can't find The Prince. It was damn hard to find my copy of it. |
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I've read Troopers 4-5 times. I first read it as a kid, made me want to join the infantry (11B 88-98!) Considering when it was written, very forward thinking military sci-fi and has some useful advice for dealing with the FSA attitude of today.
I've read Armor at least as many times, I fucking love that book. Felix is a machine! Steakley has a vampire book using the names of the same characters...meh. Read "Stranger" by Heinlein...meh. I "Groked" it but didn't do it for me. Read Farhnam's Freehold, better book. Just read "Forever War" and enjoyed it. I see Haldeman's societal predictions coming true before my very eyes. Read a few of the Ender books. Very good Sci-Fi. Want to finish the series. There's a series about Orphans/Orpahage, pretty good military Sci-Fi. Read one or two. The Halo books, believe it or not, are also pretty good. The first ones give a pretty neat explanation of the whole Spartan program. In my youth, David Drake and Pournelle were my "go to" sci-fi authors. Love their stuff. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: While it's based on a US/Soviet alliance (the CoDominum), you cannot beat Jerry Pournelle's "The Prince" series for politics, infantry tactics, and just plain badassary. Pournelle IS a prophet, fellow taxpayers. Fixed it for you. If none of you haven't you should check out his Chaos Manor website. Jerry Pournelle is a renaissance man in every since of the word. Soldier, scientist, author, etc. Also, The Prince is the omnibus version of Falkenberg's Legion, Prince of Mercenaries, Prince of Sparta, and Go Tell the Spartans in case you can't find The Prince. It was damn hard to find my copy of it. And it all started with West of Honor, which is now a part of the Falkenberg's Legion book. I still have my copy around somewhere. The United States of the CoDominium Era is a welfare state divided into two classes: Citizens and Taxpayers. "Citizens" are welfare dependents who are required to live in walled sections of cities called "Welfare Islands." People are given whatever they need, including the drugs like Borloi to keep them pacified. There are no limits to how long they can stay on welfare, except that they must live in a Welfare Island. Although people are free to gain an education and work or become a colonist, many citizens did not, preferring to live their whole lives supported by the government. Generally citizens are uneducated and illiterate. Some BuReLoc involuntary colonists are Citizens. By the late CD era, the Welfare Islands were three generations old. "Taxpayers" are the working, educated, and privileged upper class. They carry identification cards to separate them from Citizens. |
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The best Starship Troopers Movie Yet  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRhg1_BWHwM&feature=share&list=PL89A6102384166E9BPretty much - HALO is much closer to Starship Troopers than the movie. |
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If you liked the book, pick up a book called "Armor" by Steakley. Heinlein has about 40 other books I want to read first.  They get weird and queer towards the end... Those were his adult fiction books. The juvie stuff were the really good stories, a lot of which were published in Boys Life. Good reading with messages in them. Farmer in the Sky is great. |
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I've read Three of Heinlein's books: 1) Starship Troopers: Read it solely because the movie was made. I read the book first and absolutely loved it. I enjoyed the movie but it wasn't "Starship Troopers". 2) Farnham's Freehold: Enjoyed it 3) Stranger in a Strange Land: Did not like it at all and quit reading Heinlein books after that. Look for his Juvie fiction stuff. Starship Trooper is one, Farnahms Freehold and Stranger were written for a very different audience. Give Farmer in the Sky a chance, and look for others. |
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One of my all time favorites, along with Ender's Game.
Do not read up on Ender's Game if you decide to to read it. Saying anything more would be criminal. For the other SF readers out there, check out Leviathan Wakes by James Corey. It's working man's SF and amazing. Book two is already out along with 2 novellas. |
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Quoted: Pournelle and Niven are awesome! Some of the best stories out there. While it's based on a US/Soviet alliance (the CoDominum), you cannot beat Jerry Pournelle's "The Prince" series for politics, infantry tactics, and just plain badassary. http://bks5.books.google.com/books?id=ohYMAAAACAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&imgtk=AFLRE71K72oN4LM1rzb3557l6Lf-6Nq6XEuh5VrRkPvArJKDvJRrxRzmuAd4PZ5avAvIoizy4l7kHtUNK5XRSpTfBMeWb-A6F55VH9W8Z2HupGPrSRCWDPdBnurS5HOT3muFuTGQRROQ I've read most of Heinlein, Armor, Old Man's War, etc. I've read a lot of SciFi over the years. This is almost impossible to beat. Heinlein got a little weird after awhile. But I remember one story back in the 80s-90s I read, where the main character had a prosthetic leg and while abandoning space station hotel/living quarters. He stopped to get his (personal/professional) records and ideas. And since they were on computers, he was able to put several filing cabinets worth on chips (or whatever) and store them in his fake leg.  SciFi is good at foretelling things. |
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Quoted: Cool. I did not know that. The red ones, I loved. Never read the other ones. I'll have to get The Prince.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: While it's based on a US/Soviet alliance (the CoDominum), you cannot beat Jerry Pournelle's "The Prince" series for politics, infantry tactics, and just plain badassary. Pournelle IS a prophet, fellow taxpayers. Fixed it for you. If none of you haven't you should check out his Chaos Manor website. Jerry Pournelle is a renaissance man in every since of the word. Soldier, scientist, author, etc. Also, The Prince is the omnibus version of Falkenberg's Legion, Prince of Mercenaries, Prince of Sparta, and Go Tell the Spartans in case you can't find The Prince. It was damn hard to find my copy of it.  |
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the cartoon was SO much better than the movie. The Japanese one from 89? I need a copy of that. I'm guessing he meant the "Roughnecks" series that came out a bit after the movie. And I agree with him. It was actually pretty good. I wish the studio had been able to finish the show properly. Looks like the Japanese one is on YouTube, but no English translation.
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"Last Centurions" By John Ringo Check out http://thelastcenturion.com/ He has a lot of books out. I've read them all. Best Military SciFi writer out there in my opinion. s n i p A big +1 to Ringo and his great fiction . Last Centurion was one of my favorites of any author , Live Free Or Die and the whole Troy Rising series were great , quick reads (maple syrup - LMFAO) Ive read his Ghost series as well , very good , and cant wait till the next Troy book. We are in a Starship Troopers thread and you guys don't mention his Posleen War books?
I'm just going to believe that you all are assuming everyone here has already read at least the original 4 book trilogy. 
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The book was OK, but to be honest, I'd never read it again. I've watched the movie several times. I gave up on The Moon is a harsh Mistress after a chapter or so. you are truly missing out keep reading it is a masterpeice He sides with The Federated Nations. |
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Holy hell, I know books are always better than the movie, but HOLY HELL! They bear so little resemblance to one another other than a few names, they really are two totally different stories. The movie is about killing bugs, the book is about anything but! If you haven't read it, you're depriving yourself of a wonderful experience. DO IT! Robert Heinlein waayy ahead of his time. His best IMO was "The Glory Road" if you start it you won't be able to put it down. |
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While it's based on a US/Soviet alliance (the CoDominum), you cannot beat Jerry Pournelle's "The Prince" series for politics, infantry tactics, and just plain badassary. Pournelle was a prophet, fellow taxpayers. So we get to have some Moties? First, we need some Welfare Islands. Then, the Alderson Drive. Moties come much later.... |
| ST should be mandatory reading on the trip to basic training. Forgetting all the sci-fi in the book, there are plenty of lessons on leadership that still apply today in it. Wish I would have read it as a junior enlisted troop. Certainly would have helped give me some perspective that otherwise took years for me to gain. |
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Quoted: ST should be mandatory reading on the trip to basic training. Forgetting all the sci-fi in the book, there are plenty of lessons on leadership that still apply today in it. Wish I would have read it as a junior enlisted troop. Certainly would have helped give me some perspective that otherwise took years for me to gain. Would beat the shit out of "Message to Garcia". |
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Lots of great books listed here if you liked Starship Troopers.
This is another one of my favorites in SF: The Forever Hero. "L. E. Modesitt, Jr's first major work was a trilogy of SF adventure novels published as paperback originals in the 1980s: Dawn for a Distant Earth, The Silent Warrior, and In Endless Twilight. Together they form The Forever Hero. Thousands of years in the future, Earth is a desolate ruin. The first human ship to return in millennia discovers an abandoned wasteland inhabited only by a few degenerate or mutated human outcasts. But among them is a boy of immense native intelligence and determination who is captured, taken in, and educated, and disappears--to grow up to become the force behind a plan to make Earth flower again. He is, if not immortal, at least very long-lived, and he plans to build an independent power base out in the galaxy and force the galactic empire to devote centuries and immense resources to the restoration of the ecology of Earth." |
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I've read Starship Troopers 8 or 9 times in the last 30 years. I'll read it a few more times if I live long enough. Armor is good, too. Read it twice now. Another good one is "Old Man's War" and the sequel to it, "Ghost Brigades". When I was younger Starship Troopers was just a good book. Then I found out (3rd or 4th time I read it) that the liberal/progressive/socialists really hated it because of the concepts/ideas set forth in the book. That made me like it even more. The idea that in order to vote or hold public office you have to be prior military. The idea that women are special and should be protected from combat. The idea that honestey, honor, tradition are important and have great meaning to an civliization that expects to last. And many others. I'm glad I got the eBook versions of those, cause I'd have worn out paperback versions by now 
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It's not that the movie is bad, I love the movie, but you have to treat it differently than the book completely, it would have been an awesome movie with a different name. The book is pretty awesome though, first time I read it I think I only took one break. |
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I wasn't impressed by Starship Troopers. It was too long winded on the pedantic political ideology. Rico was a a vehicle to deliver ideology, and Heinlein forgot to include character development... or a story. He didn't need to do much character development. Rico was a nobody. No specialized talent, no major drive (except hormonally-fuelled muff-chasing). He was a perfect candidate to be molded into whatever the Federation wanted him to become, ultimately a soldier. |
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I usually hate Fiction entirely but I read Starship troopers on a recomendation from a buddy and that lead me to The Moon is a Harsh Mistress which is fucking fantastic. Enders Game is another good one. Jerry Pournelle's Falkenberg's Legion EDIT: already brought up, I see. The Honor Harrington series isn't bad. |
| I like Heinlein enough that I bought the Virginia (his wife's name) Edition 46 volume set of leather bounds. I never really got into Stranger in a Strange Land but all the rest (yes, including the late stuff) I love. Most of my other favorite authors have already been mentioned. I'll read anything by Pournelle, Drake, Weber, Ringo, or Scalzi just because their name is on it. |
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If you liked the book, pick up a book called "Armor" by Steakley. I find Joe Haldeman's "Forever War" a good read of similar genre to Starship Troopers.. Love Armor and the Forever War. Halide an also wrote a sequel Forever Free I'm not sure I agree on Forever War. It's a great work of science fiction, sure, but is ultimately a very anti-war and anti-military book. |
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If you liked the book, pick up a book called "Armor" by Steakley. I find Joe Haldeman's "Forever War" a good read of similar genre to Starship Troopers.. Love Armor and the Forever War. Halide an also wrote a sequel Forever Free I'm not sure I agree on Forever War. It's a great work of science fiction, sure, but is ultimately a very anti-war and anti-military book. Maybe this is more your style? 
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If you liked the book, pick up a book called "Armor" by Steakley. I find Joe Haldeman's "Forever War" a good read of similar genre to Starship Troopers.. Love Armor and the Forever War. Halide an also wrote a sequel Forever Free I'm not sure I agree on Forever War. It's a great work of science fiction, sure, but is ultimately a very anti-war and anti-military book. Yeah. It's been a long time, but I read Forever Peace and remember being underwhelmed. |
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If you liked the book, pick up a book called "Armor" by Steakley. I find Joe Haldeman's "Forever War" a good read of similar genre to Starship Troopers.. Love Armor and the Forever War. Halide an also wrote a sequel Forever Free I'm not sure I agree on Forever War. It's a great work of science fiction, sure, but is ultimately a very anti-war and anti-military book. we are talking about children's fiction, right? |