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Posted: 1/12/2022 4:10:05 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The VHS wins the award for ugliest bullpup.  Attached FileNo way, it's perfectly utilitarian. I love the design aesthetic. As a compromise I offer the Norinco Type 86 or the Bushmaster M17S. The M17s is basically a gun built around a gutter downspout tube. 
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Posted: 1/12/2022 4:27:42 PM EDT
[#2]
No grip zone, no care
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Posted: 1/12/2022 4:41:11 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The VHS wins the award for ugliest bullpup. Nah, I think the Kel-Tec RDB Survival gets that award. Now that's ugly! The VHS has that great dystopian future look I like in a bullpup. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 4:45:22 PM EDT
[#4]
Holy shit. Thought I had enough guns and was DONE.
Wow - I'll buy one. Looks BADASSSSSSS! |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 4:56:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/12/2022 5:00:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll just leave this here https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/79922/961D388E-7112-4AE9-AEBF-6277DB1D5A19_jpe-2237976.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/79922/CEB59497-311A-444E-B511-1FE9990FE6C8_jpe-2237978.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/79922/764FD265-9303-4B0D-8412-C48A698FC23D_jpe-2237979.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/79922/AAFDC0AB-8B00-4E3D-B1C3-F7187D53F6CD_jpe-2237981.JPG I've seen that, too. Bring it in like that, then pull off the goofy bits and install US-made correct ones for 922R compliance, ship the goofy bits back to Croatia, rinse, repeat. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 5:01:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll just leave this here https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/79922/961D388E-7112-4AE9-AEBF-6277DB1D5A19_jpe-2237976.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/79922/CEB59497-311A-444E-B511-1FE9990FE6C8_jpe-2237978.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/79922/764FD265-9303-4B0D-8412-C48A698FC23D_jpe-2237979.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/79922/AAFDC0AB-8B00-4E3D-B1C3-F7187D53F6CD_jpe-2237981.JPG 
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Posted: 1/12/2022 5:04:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've seen that, too. Bring it in like that, then pull off the goofy bits and install US-made correct ones for 922R compliance, ship the goofy bits back to Croatia, rinse, repeat. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’ll just leave this here https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/79922/961D388E-7112-4AE9-AEBF-6277DB1D5A19_jpe-2237976.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/79922/CEB59497-311A-444E-B511-1FE9990FE6C8_jpe-2237978.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/79922/764FD265-9303-4B0D-8412-C48A698FC23D_jpe-2237979.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/79922/AAFDC0AB-8B00-4E3D-B1C3-F7187D53F6CD_jpe-2237981.JPG I've seen that, too. Bring it in like that, then pull off the goofy bits and install US-made correct ones for 922R compliance, ship the goofy bits back to Croatia, rinse, repeat. Yeah... I feel like we're in Ford Transit Connect vs the Chicken Tax territory. Ford was recycling passenger seats for years before they got dick slapped. What's the legality here? Can SA swap the parts before distribution, or does this have to be sold as an abortion gun and converted by consumers? |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 5:06:02 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah... I feel like we're in Ford Transit Connect vs the Chicken Tax territory. Ford was recycling passenger seats for years before they got dick slapped. What's the legality here? Can SA swap the parts before distribution, or does this have to be sold as an abortion gun and converted by consumers? IIRC they can do that, as long as they meet 922R compliance. IIRC foreign-made AKs like the Zastavas come in in a goofy config like this, and then are unfucked before being sold. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 5:06:43 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope that's just the californicated model, or my interest just evaporated quicker than pelosi's mudflaps when the bender hangover kicks in. You're not familiar with import configurations? |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 5:07:31 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope that's just the californicated model, or my interest just evaporated quicker than pelosi's mudflaps when the bender hangover kicks in. This is how all modern semi autos are imported. It's explicitly done to not get smashed with the 89 import ban criteria. For stuff like Romanian/Bulgarian AKs, the Belgian SCARs, etc, they go through them and replace imported parts with US versions so it doesn't fail the "no more than 10 imported parts" rule. Then they can add back the no-no features like pistol grips and normal mags. If it was destined to be sold in a sporting config, they'd probably make more of an effort so it looks "clean" like the HK SL8. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 5:13:21 PM EDT
[#12]
Will it accept a Fostech Echo? Asking for a friend.
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Posted: 1/12/2022 5:13:44 PM EDT
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Sincere question as this is the first time I've heard of the gun. Aside from being a truly ambi bullpup, is there anything that makes this better than a AUG or X95? Is it is not better and just different and cool in its own right?
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Posted: 1/12/2022 5:18:25 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sincere question as this is the first time I've heard of the gun. Aside from being a truly ambi bullpup, is there anything that makes this better than a AUG or X95? Is it is not better and just different and cool in its own right? It's mostly just different. The ability to swap out the magwells is a neat idea, but who knows if SA plans on offering anything other than the STANAG one. Adjustable LOP is also nifty, I suppose. I like strange guns, so this piques my interest greatly. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 5:43:49 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In on a VHS like a 17 year old in his hot high school teacher  From all the news articles posted in GD about teachers I think you have that backwards. You’d be on that like a married female teacher on a 15 year old. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 5:49:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sincere question as this is the first time I've heard of the gun. Aside from being a truly ambi bullpup, is there anything that makes this better than a AUG or X95? Is it is not better and just different and cool in its own right? As one of the biggest proponents of the AUG you’ll ever come across, this gun on paper shows a lot of promise. If it can overcome the shortcomings of the AUG and x95, and if it’s reliable then it should be a very popular bull pup option to consider. If not then it will fall into the “cool but not as good” slot. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 6:28:43 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As one of the biggest proponents of the AUG you’ll ever come across, this gun on paper shows a lot of promise. If it can overcome the shortcomings of the AUG and x95, and if it’s reliable then it should be a very popular bull pup option to consider. If not then it will fall into the “cool but not as good” slot. I'm in the same camp. The modularity will make aftermarket parts and support very workable if it proves popular. I'm curious what ideas might be swirling in the head of Sven at Manticore on this one. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 6:33:01 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As one of the biggest proponents of the AUG you'll ever come across, this gun on paper shows a lot of promise. If it can overcome the shortcomings of the AUG and x95, and if it's reliable then it should be a very popular bull pup option to consider. If not then it will fall into the "cool but not as good" slot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sincere question as this is the first time I've heard of the gun. Aside from being a truly ambi bullpup, is there anything that makes this better than a AUG or X95? Is it is not better and just different and cool in its own right? As one of the biggest proponents of the AUG you'll ever come across, this gun on paper shows a lot of promise. If it can overcome the shortcomings of the AUG and x95, and if it's reliable then it should be a very popular bull pup option to consider. If not then it will fall into the "cool but not as good" slot. That is bold coming from you I'm all for more firearms designs coming to America, bullpups especially. It would be great to get L85s and FAMAS if only to save them from complete destruction 
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Posted: 1/12/2022 6:40:14 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That is bold coming from you I'm all for more firearms designs coming to America, bullpups especially. It would be great to get L85s and FAMAS if only to save them from complete destruction Yeah - I'm hoping against hope that we get FAMAS parts kits, but I recognize the chances are slim. It was nice to see the CETME Ls and LCs get saved, so the precedent is there... |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 6:46:08 PM EDT
[#20]
Looks cool, can't see any reason to buy one over a long list of other cool guns I don't need.
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Posted: 1/12/2022 7:09:17 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks cool, can't see any reason to buy one over a long list of other cool guns I don't need. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 7:28:23 PM EDT
[#22]
FINALLY!
Took ‘em long enough. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 7:30:21 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah - I'm hoping against hope that we get FAMAS parts kits, but I recognize the chances are slim. It was nice to see the CETME Ls and LCs get saved, so the precedent is there... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That is bold coming from you I'm all for more firearms designs coming to America, bullpups especially. It would be great to get L85s and FAMAS if only to save them from complete destruction Yeah - I'm hoping against hope that we get FAMAS parts kits, but I recognize the chances are slim. It was nice to see the CETME Ls and LCs get saved, so the precedent is there... You never know! I still vividly remember in 2010 when folks here laughed at the idea of the Tavor ever coming to the US. Then two years later the first SARs were making it into the hands of even the naysayers |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 7:45:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/12/2022 7:53:57 PM EDT
[#25]
SA is on a roll right now.
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Posted: 1/12/2022 7:54:49 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: SA is on a roll right now. Between this and the SA-35 I'm going to chuck a wad of cash at SA this year. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 8:20:47 PM EDT
[#27]
This is apparently a leaked photo of the production gun - to be called the Hellion.
 Attached FileI don't much like the Magpul-ish grip, but otherwise? Be silent, and accept this cash. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 8:25:18 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is apparently a leaked photo of the production gun - to be called the Hellion. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51323/271857130_5172279439471784_2263142625462-2238256.JPG I don't much like the Magpul-ish grip, but otherwise? Be silent, and accept this cash. Looks like it takes any AR grip. Very cool. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 8:27:57 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: SA is on a roll right now. Big time. I wonder if they had some management shake-up? |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 8:29:22 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is apparently a leaked photo of the production gun - to be called the Hellion. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51323/271857130_5172279439471784_2263142625462-2238256.JPG I don't much like the Magpul-ish grip, but otherwise? Be silent, and accept this cash. Sweet. Looks like they're allowing for AR grip swaps and the handguard looks to have MLOK slots and QD points. Can't tell what barrel length though.. 18" still? |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 8:30:41 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sweet. Looks like they're allowing for AR grip swaps and the handguard looks to have MLOK slots and QD points. Can't tell what barrel length though.. 18" still? 16", IIRC. (The K-model carbine guns are 16.1") |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 8:32:19 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: See a normal person would automatically assume this is what their teaser is about. But then we're reminded that the ATC exists. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFRBgkQsMe0Springfield.. should future owners print out their return labels for repairs in advance? See a normal person would automatically assume this is what their teaser is about. But then we're reminded that the ATC exists. 
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Posted: 1/12/2022 8:32:53 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is apparently a leaked photo of the production gun - to be called the Hellion. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51323/271857130_5172279439471784_2263142625462-2238256.JPG I don't much like the Magpul-ish grip, but otherwise? Be silent, and accept this cash. My pants are tight 
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Posted: 1/12/2022 8:46:51 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is apparently a leaked photo of the production gun - to be called the Hellion. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51323/271857130_5172279439471784_2263142625462-2238256.JPG I don't much like the Magpul-ish grip, but otherwise? Be silent, and accept this cash. Lol, it’s a BCM grip, but the angle that it mounts it is almost ridiculous  |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 8:53:34 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is apparently a leaked photo of the production gun - to be called the Hellion. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51323/271857130_5172279439471784_2263142625462-2238256.JPG I don't much like the Magpul-ish grip, but otherwise? Be silent, and accept this cash. I'm happy they kept the very nice backup iron sights. I was worried they'd dump those in an effort to make it cheaper. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 8:54:21 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: See a normal person would automatically assume this is what their teaser is about. But then we're reminded that the ATC exists. 
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Posted: 1/12/2022 8:57:45 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're not familiar with import configurations? |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 8:57:51 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is apparently a leaked photo of the production gun - to be called the Hellion. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51323/271857130_5172279439471784_2263142625462-2238256.JPG I don't much like the Magpul-ish grip, but otherwise? Be silent, and accept this cash. Appears to be legit...note the logo above the name on the stock, appears to match the logo on the stack of VHS tapes from the teaser. The grip looks awkard...something about the angle on receiver where the grip butts up against it. I'd almost prefer the XDM-ish looking grip all the Croat guns have. Also looks like interchangeable magwells are still a possibility based on the pin at the front of it. I wonder if SA is going to use this platform to get into the PCC game? Especially coupled with the new 35 round XDM Elite mags. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 9:01:05 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Appears to be legit...note the logo above the name on the stock, appears to match the logo on the stack of VHS tapes from the teaser. The grip looks awkard...something about the angle on receiver where the grip butts up against it. I'd almost prefer the XDM-ish looking grip all the Croat guns have. Also looks like interchangeable magwells are still a possibility based on the pin at the front of it. I wonder if SA is going to use this platform to get into the PCC game? Especially coupled with the new 35 round XDM Elite mags. Looks like they made it so that a normal AR grip angle would be comfortable and not raked back too far. Does look weird though, maybe there's somewhere that'll sell the original style grip. 6.5 Grendel conversions would be neat. So would 7.62x39 using AK mags. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 9:01:31 PM EDT
[#40]
Sort of want. Their marketing department is doing good work IMO
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Posted: 1/12/2022 9:01:56 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like they made it so that a normal AR grip angle would be comfortable and not raked back too far. Does look weird though, maybe there's somewhere that'll sell the original style grip. 6.5 Grendel conversions would be neat. So would 7.62x39 using AK mags. Yeah - I think it's just the angle that looks odd. Hopefully someone does an OEM-style grip for it. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 9:04:23 PM EDT
[#42]
Looks like something from the expanse or a cyberpunk novel, so I'm interested
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Posted: 1/12/2022 9:04:34 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullpups Agreed. There isn't a bullpup that has been made or even considered that I'm interested in. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 9:05:23 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah - I think it's just the angle that looks odd. Hopefully someone does an OEM-style grip for it. That grip angle kills the aesthetics for me, but someone will be along shortly to remedy that. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 9:06:00 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sort of want. Their marketing department is doing good work IMO Yeah hopefully they don't all get neckbearded like the SA-35s were because they can't keep up with demand again. I'm sure these will be less popular though because of the anti-bullpup bigot crowd. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 9:08:28 PM EDT
[#46]
Wow, something other than an AR hitting the market. Interesting.
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Posted: 1/12/2022 9:13:37 PM EDT
[#47]
Now they just need to come through on the price like they did with the SA-35.
Any bets on what the scalped/Gunbroker price of the initial releases will be? $3k? |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 9:16:14 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is apparently a leaked photo of the production gun - to be called the Hellion. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51323/271857130_5172279439471784_2263142625462-2238256.JPG I don't much like the Magpul-ish grip, but otherwise? Be silent, and accept this cash. The angle of that grip is way to vertical for the LoP |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 9:28:13 PM EDT
[#49]
If true, I will sell my ass on the street corner for one. I dont know why, but the VHS has been a grail gun for years. I even offered an obnoxious price for a parts kit... obnoxious.
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Posted: 1/12/2022 9:30:35 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If true, I will sell my ass on the street corner for one. I dont know why, but the VHS has been a grail gun for years. I even offered an obnoxious price for a parts kit... obnoxious. I haven't been this excited about buying a new VHS since the 1990s! |
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