I have said my piece about this SG charactor. But on a side note why has he not been banned from this site? He has threatned everyone here on this thread with physical violence going so far as to IM people so they can come over and kick his ass. Not to mention his overall disrespect for everyone here. Haven't people been baned for less. Can't even have Babe O the day pics but this obscene moron of a MEDICAL DOCTOR no less gets to stay and insult and threaten people.

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Do I smell a troll ?????

Dude, Lighten up, take a chill pill....

So I'd agree, there probably are spies in Iraq -- with satellite uplinks, microphones, make-up artists, and TV cameras.    

Oh, wait.  You were talking about ones on OUR side.

Excellent suggestion, and so I will and have. Strangely my pager has remained silent except for hospital related stuff. I even sent I even sent Super-Duper Special Psysho-Ops NCO my voice line at the office while I was eating tonight and he was a no show. Yawn.

Well, he's psyops...he's obviously going to use the information you gave him to track you down and play games with your head.  (pretty boring games, I'd imagine, given the contents of said head).
As for someone else calling you on your pager...that would be stupid.  Almost as stupid as...well, giving out your pager number on the open internet. [:D]

But not nearly as cowardly as not calling it. BTW, I had a mod IM me and ask me to lighten up on you. You must be weaker than I thought.

nice

brothers in arms

That's the mod's call...I certainly don't feel as if you're too much to take.  Really, you're little more than a diversion.  The mod was trying to save you, most likely, from making a bigger fool of yourself.
As for calling your pager...what was cowardly was posting a pager number.  It shows you don't REALLY want anyone to get ahold of you because you can see who called and filter it out.  Just post your land line...after all, you don't care who calls, right?  Because you're so big and bad, and some sort of ex-LEO right?
(More likely you are a Leo on the Astrological chart.)

It is not me who is saying that U.S Special Operations Forces aided the Taliban to engage CIA operatives and it is not me who is saying that the two CIA operatives were torturing the prisoners. It is not me who hasnt got anything to back up those claims.

Now tell me, who is out of line.

I could die a happy man if my VA doc had your atitude. BTW, I'm familier with the resister. They did get some solid info, and were a good bunch....

If you had Soylent Green for a doctor, death would be the likely outcome.

SG, I think that people on this board are more upset by your tone that suggests that you were happy that Mike Spann died.  

I also wonder if you really believe that a member of a SF team would give weapons to the enemy?

[realquestion]What is your background to feel this way?  It might shed some light on your comments[/realquestion]

That was an honest question, so an honest answer. I am loyal to Rome, but not the emperor. Many here revere the emperor as a living god and think that he and Rome are the same. They are not. I know what happened to the last few loyal men in Caligula's Rome, and the mindset that runs rampant on this board is very indicative how that came to be. Does that answer your question?
I was not happy Spann died BTW, quite the opposite, and I am not sure why you inferred that. He was doing a loathesome thing, whether he was doing it for the US out of a misguided patriotism or not, and he payed for it with his life. Sadly, he died for someone else's profit, and not for the greater good of our country.  
There was a time in my life when I eagerly and blindly followed orders. I am no longer the eager airborne troop I was, and looking back I am at times ashamed at the lack of intellect I displayed in not questioning those tasks put to me. I spoke to a friend today who now practices in AL who has a slightly more interesting background than myself. He also remembered the article and some initial reports from guys who he knew that were in the area. I was incorrect in stating it was our guys who gave them the weapons and grenades, it was our paid for "allies", other muslims, who did that because they didn't particularly care to see men they respected having lamp oil poured on them and lit. Apparently the barbarians have a greater moral sense than we do on occasion. I regret the error. True to my word I stated that would retract anything I discovered to not be so, and here it is. My apologies. But I will never apologize for my stance. Spann shouldn't have died, and neither should any of the mounting casualties that continue to pile up behind the censor's curtain. If any of those men had to die in combat, it should have been with the people who paid for and who supplied the personnel for the people accused of attacking us, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen. Afghanistan is all about oil and giving the easily led sheep that people the US something to direct their rage towards for the attack and nothing more.

RIK-Won't your Mommy let you dial long distance?

Tukka- The shotgun barrel goes in your mouth and your thumb goes on the trigger. Wait for a cloudy day like the rest of the Finns. I have supplied news stories and oblique references by the CIA that they do indeed employ torturers. If you think they don't you are living in a dream world.

Liberty-Thanks for the sentiment. Mind the little minds here don't think you are a bad man too. They are very groupthink oriented. Must be from all the highschoolers here.

Soylent_green,

This comment was way out of line:

"Tukka- The shotgun barrel goes in your mouth and your thumb goes on the trigger. Wait for a cloudy day like the rest of the Finns. I have supplied news stories and oblique references by the CIA that they do indeed employ torturers. If you think they don't you are living in a dream world."

I would suggest you edit your post.

Right after everyone who made a comment that was way out of line does the same.

Yes, very credible sources for all this bullshit, like the Resister magazine you mentioned.

Run by a SFC Barry who got the boot after lengthy investigations into him revealing classified information numerous times. Also he is a member of neo nazi organizations and openly racist.

SG, thanks for the reply.  I do not agree with everythng that you say, but I think you have the right to say it.  That is one of the things that makes this country great.
In your original post about the SF guys giving weapons to the prisoner, that really struck me as wrong, this was my personal experience with "my guys."  If one fact was wrong in the story, others may be wrong also.  However, I can tell by your last post that you will never support the war in AG or President Bush.
I take it from your post you think the real enemy is SA and their form of radical Islam?
I do think you might have something there:  follow the money.  
Have to put the kids to sleep check back later.

Openly racist, heh heh. Hey Tukka, refresh my memory was the swastika painted on Finnish and Swedish equipment during WW II blue, black, or white?

I am always willing accept that I may be mistaken, but you have to show me first. I think that is reasonable. I have always attempted the force of reason and logic when convincing others. If you don't believe it look up some of the threads with the genius M60308NATO. Next to the nanny state and unchecked Mexican invasion I think radical islam is a great enemy. They are already making inroads into Europe and have already stated a master plan of an islamic Eurpoe or at least one afraid to not cater to them. They desperately want us gone. They hate us for what we represent, what we are, and what we have repeatedly done to them in their own countries. We might be cuplable in having made that dog as mean as it is, but now we have to kill it or it will really hurt us next time. I don't fear chemical or biological weapons. Outside of smallpox bio weapons are a joke. The real fear is a nuke in a sailboat or worse, a stealth cruise missile. Want to buy a stealth cruise missile? They are called Cessnas. You can program them to within a few meters  of the target, as if that matters with a nuke, they are cheap, easy to buy, easy to pilot, and who notices them? Stealth can mean a lot of things. You want to stop islamic nukes? Stop their money. Kill the cash flow and kill the muslim bomb. Ever since Clinton allowed the Chinese to gain access to miniaturization tech for nukes we have been in a real precarious place. For those who missed that on CNN, that was one reason why people were saying he had committed treason and wanted him impeached. I can't wait for the idiots on this board to angrily demand proof of that statement as well.

Perhaps it is comments such as THAT which make people think (correctly IMHO) that you are glad he died.



What's sad is that you're such a fool to believe this.



Were I you, I would be more ashamed of the lack of intellect you've shown in this thread by believing in such BS sources.



Ah, yes...here the assumption that anyone who was ever connected with special ops or intelligence knows the REAL details of everything that goes on.  Believe me, I have talked to enough people who were in those positions who, as it turned out, knew nothing but the same BS rumors as everyone else at heard.  Know why?  Because the REAL SHIT is all classified and need-to-know.  



"Mounting casualites behind the censor's curtain?"  Are you insinuating that more US troops have died than are being reported?
I am sure you have a good source that too, right?
Like Pravda? ROFL!



Oh yeah, here we go...the old reliable saw of the tinfoil-hat conspiracy-theorist: "Afghanistan is all about oil."  What a load of utter shit.  How can anyone be stupid enough to believe that nonsense?  It boggles the mind.  What's enlightening is WHO believes it:  the conspiracy theorists, the anarcho-libertarians and the anti-war liberals.  You can tell a lot about a person by the company he keeps.  You keep shitty company.



Among the many wise things my dad taught me was never fight on the other guy's terms.  Always fight on your own terms.  Giving you a number at which to call me at your liesure is fighting you on your own terms.  Not gonna happen.



Why don't you show him how first?

That implys you actually have the balls for it. You don't. Also, if your father had been truly wise he would have worn a condom.

Why? Are you looking for interior decorating advice?

Books could be written about all the information regarding my balls that you will never know.  I know you would like to see them, but I just don't swing that way, Greenie-Weenie.



My father was wise enough to raise me not to buy the kind of ridiculous BS you take as gospel.  Unlike you, he actually had balls and put them on the line for his country.  Unlike you, he still loves his country.  Unlike you, he doesn't believe BS spread by those that hate this country.  And neither do I.

Ummm, haloperidol running low? That is the most bizarre statement I have seen on this board yet, and man that is saying something.


I do love my country you wretched little speck of dog vomit. I, unlike you, served for many years. I just don't think to much of the government or the cynical narcissistic bastards who have perverted its course and are running it into the ground with their Machiavellan machinations.

Back, last one if finally asleep.
I think SG your views and that of others are more similar than you think:  I do think that certain radical forms of Islam are a major threat to our way of life.  It is just to non-PC to say that any reglion is bad.
Where I think you set certain member of this board off (including myself at one time) is
1) questioning the honor of our soliders in the field
2) Your disagreement with policy to taint your view of the person on the ground a la Vietnam.  I take it from the post, most people on the board were the instruments of policy, not policy makers.
3) having read some stories, assuming that your theories on what happened are true and have to be proven wrong. GIGO. I do admit, that common amoung all people(including myself), however some of your version of events did not pass the common sense test.  

If we are to cut of the money supply, I take it from your post that we need to stop buying oil from SWA.  Oil is the lifeblood of our way of life, and is also our biggest weakness.  If you are really serious about this that your real enemy is the Democratic party that does not want us to drill on the North Shore.

We need oil, at least that is my premise.  SWA is the largest source.  SA is unstable.  The Democrats will not let us drill on the North Shore or the Gulf. I think all these factors suck, however I am not smart enough to come up with a solution.