Don't have the answers bud.  Just trying to find one.  

Maybe if you say "fuck" some more, people will take you seriously.

You really need to study history more and not let your emotions get the best of you.



Why is it flaring up?  Hmmmm....could it be a CIC announcing and end to combat ops and a withdrawal date?  



Prediction - Same will happen in Afghanistan..only quicker...due to the higher levels of corruption as well as cultural differences.  



The execs in the US Govt need to be dedicated to winning...and our CIC is not that person.  



Terrorists never confront superior forces head on...they dodge, wait, use all tools to amplify their force and weaken the superior force



Have you read the Art of War?  



you may want to.



 

I don't care if anyone here takes me seriously.  I would just like to interject a tiny bit of reality for some of these people in between fucking hot pockets and farmville.



 

If you were truly the tactical genius you claim to be you would have called the bombings in Iraq months ahead of time like everyone else.  Its a test and a last ditch attempt for them.  Its also unsustainable.



 

You need to get over yourself.



 

The fact that you talk like you know the game but have no idea what is really going on has absolutely nothing to do with my ego.



 

I say that if I must bite my tongue and limit my beliefs in order for us the win in Afghanistan, then really, we'll will never really win anything.



We are suppose to be fighting for the very freedom to do this, not engaging in nation-building.





 

The problem with your idea is that it is contrary to our aims in the war on terror.



Since all the people serious about it already know the sad fact that we can't possibly kill everyone who becomes convinced that America and the west are at war with the Islamic faith, we instead must focus on a two pronged strategy.  On the one prong, we have our military and our intelligence agencies, whose job it is to kill the terrorists who we can identify.



The second, and much more critically important part, is to maintain and unwavering, rock solid stance against the ideology of our fanatical, extremist enemies.



This is accomplished by proving that their beliefs are untrue, and from our natural position on the moral high ground, depriving the enemy of his only strength, his ability to recruit new believers to make up for the ones killed or turned.



To win the war on terror, all we have to do is maintain our nerves with an iron and unshakable resolve. It's harder than it seems, because our free and open society allows every sort of scum the opportunity to float into the spotlight at some point or another. And because too many people become emotionally invested in more romantic, but less realistic, and least of all constructive, ideas about the war.  



It's too early to tell how many more good and decent people, American or otherwise, will die simply because one bottom of the barrel, probably pederast hustler wanted to get his name on the tee-vee and decided he'd profane the memory of the victims of 9/11 with his book burning hate-rally.



It is also too early to tell how many will die, and how long the war will be prolonged due to the vile, unamerican, Klan-throwback outrage which has been manufactured and stoked by irresponsible fools and evildoers in the media and also in the crack whorehouse house of the 'blogosphere.'



The aid these groups and individuals have given to our enemy is substantial, and since our freedom prevents us from dealing with them the way they probably ought to be dealt with , it is almost assured that in the final days of this war, some unlucky son or daughter  of our great nation will fall to a bullet or bomb which, had those of us back home simply put a little thought into how we act and what we say, and gotten behind the war effort, would not have been fired or set off.



It is apparently too much to ask of this current generation, that instead of thinking of new outrages to popularize their blog, or new spins to win slots blabbering on the idiot box, they'd take a moment to consider an old motto that served us well- Loose Lips Sink Ships - and zipped it up for America.

Fuck Obama and fuck the democrats for using this war to gain political power . They should be tried for treason all of them.

You really think this event is making our enemies doing anything different than they would normally do?





This WHOLE event is to deflect attention from what the media doesn't want to cover.

Quoted again





 

I would say listen to the guy there on the ground.



But daemon, everyone is in a "hate them all regardless" frenzy right now.  Maybe in a few weeks people will start thinking clearly again.

Big surprise.



VThokie has been missing stuff for 24 months.  

QFT

Coming from you?  





Daemon, Vthokie is having a VERY bad year.  He is lost in his own little world right now and extremely hateful about it.  Reality isn't in his worldview at the moment.

I honestly don't care if it pisses them off, I am sure the guys dieing down in Helmand River Valley or out in RC East really can tell the difference between an IED put there because we were infidels and an IED but there because we come from the country of infidels that may burn Korans.  

By saying we won't do something based on what the enemy may get made and do, is actually giving in to terrorism.

Yup





 

Here's what pisses me off about this whole thing:

We're supposed to shake in our boots overt what may offend these Muslims, as we're always hearing "Oh, we shouldn't do THAT - it might embolden them!  It might offend them and make them mad!", yet where the hell is the list of things THEY are supposed to fear about us?  Where's THEIR list of things they shouldn't do that will make US mad!?

What a fucked up situation - we're AFRAID of what will make our enemy angry!  This PC BS will be the ultimate end of the West.  Mark my words.


CMOS

And that's the real irony.   We refuse to see the problem for what it is.  We aren't at war with terrorists, any more than we were at war with Kamikazes in WWII.  We are at war with an ideology, an ideology that when they don't get their way or get offended, resorts to violence.  



People can scream and shout all they want about the Religion of Peace, but until the threats of violence end, I will continue to  have a different view.





 

Exactly



 

All in or all out

That's exactly his point...



It makes it easier for the Taliban to convince moderates NOT to aid US forces... Not to give us intel... Etc...



Arfcom has latched onto this stupid notion that the ONLY way it can hurt US forces is by 'causing someone to set a bomb', and followed that absurdity to it's conclusion: 'well, he was a radical anyway'....



A more apt example, is the situation facecd by US police forces, with local citizenry & gangs. The police need the locals to tell them about crime, or they have a damn hard time prosecuting.  If the locals sit there & don't report crime, the gangs can get away with anything...



Similarly, if the people of Afghanistan don't inform on the Taliban, we're fighting blind...



Something that 'America is there to kill Muslims, let's kill em all' crowd doesn't understand....



 

It's not about FEAR, it's about propaganda and counter-propaganda.



 

Spoken like someone who has never seen combat.

Grow up.

I hope you're wrong on this.

If it's that high then this war should end now.

"endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort here."  


ARFCOM didnt make this up it was reported in the press .Why all the ARFCOM hate?

Given that the Quran burning may be the only news about the US that some of the villages get this month, it definitely undercuts a "hearts & mind" campaign. Hard for our troops to be the good guys when they're representing those that are burning the only book that the villagers may own.

We really have 2 options there. The first is to win the PR war to make a moderate .gov in Kabul more palatable than the Taliban/AQ/jihadist wackos and engage & destroy using fire& maneuver any Taliban force identified. The second is to kill all their imams&leaders, demolish the mosques, force them to convert to Christianity or die, and go Dresden on any village that dares resist. Given, by definition, that one cannot be forced to be a Christian, the only viable option is the first one.

Now that the idea is out of the bottle, my fear is that there will be faux video generated by 'Paliwood' and Photoshopped pix like the Lebanon bombing&Iran missiles so that the radicals can use as a means to stir up anti-US sentiment.

Daemon734

This is off topic, but stay safe and thanks for serving.

Age restriction won't let me back in.

Yep.

 

To me the real issue is why did the press feel it was important to broadcast this story? Hell I never heard of this koran burning until the General commented on it.

Furthermore I heard a sound bite of obama saying that he admired GW for standing up to this kind of bigotry. It kind of made me feel that obama was not such a bad guy for a few moments then I regained my senses

I think it is obvious.





 

Agreed, and I agree with what you are saying Daemon....



Some here like to say "there is no such thing as moderate Muslims..."  If you believe that, then what do you propose?  "Kill 'em all and lot God sort them out"?



Someone who thinks like that is as much of a monster as the terrorists...



 

I am not always good at the obvious.

I think what some are saying is .If you get your head chopped off for burning a koran is the chopper really a moderate.

Stay safe Daemon

Here's how I see it as endangering troops.

 

The media and leftists love fawning over the Koran.  They also love controversy, making America look bad and usurping our values. They hit the jackpot on this one.





 

The MSM is playing this one beautifully.  The MSM NEVER would have hesitated to run with a story, whether it endangered our boys or not......if it would have ridiculed GWB.  Hell, the MSM is getting a two-fer.....They get to fuck with the troops and make Christians look like cave-men.

Why won't the MSM advertise all the other things that make the muzzies mad at us?  Maybe Patreus could advocate the discontinuation of ass-sex, generalized Hollywood debauchery.......maybe we can strip away some basic rights from women and we won't even have a war anymore!

Fucking ridiculous.

This man gets it as well.





 

Good point .I think the number one thing that endangers our troops the most is our  American way of life and our culture. secondly is our pacifist democrat leaders who are now in charge.. The only real way to insure our troops stay safe is to convert to islam.

Seems pretty typical of the region and culture as a whole. So let me ask you this, since most of them are at best opportunists and at worst backstabbing selfish reaving scum, does this mean that we will have to have a presence indefinitely? Will my kids kids still talk about the garrisons in Afghanistan like I did about Germany growing up? And is the larger reason for that so that we can remain in the region as a counter to a militant Iran?

Thank you for your service and watch your ass.


ETA:  

Is a stable democracy viable in a state that is still largely a clan based society within borders set by foreign (British) powers during the colonial period? Are they capable of being a "nation" where they can pledge allegiance to the nation rather than merely being clan representatives? I see that as a huge problem to extricating ourselves from AFG in the future. Without the big stick of the US military what will happen?

I recall there was some concern during WW2 that if we invade the homeland of Imperial Japan, they would be "emboldened."

Trying to remember what the solution was to that problem...




I don't think it was surrender.

-3D

I, [name], do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

Petraeus needs to re-read the oath he took at some point in his career.

The pastor, or any American, has a Constitutional right to burn a Koran.  The exercise of that right will likely have repercussions making implementing US policy in the middle east more difficult and result in increased US casualties, but the world, including the middle east, needs to know that in the US certain things things are such a part of our culture we will defend them regardless of the cost.  The right to speak freely, to criticize and to peacefully advocate or argue our differing points of view is at the very foundation of American society.  The right to express and advocate unpopular opinions, and to criticize even the most powerful institutions, including government and religion is sacrosanct.  Defending the free exercise of those rights goes to the very heart of self-governance.  It is the very reason for national defense and the US military.  If the US government, with all its military might cannot or will not accept the burden of protecting and defending the rights guaranteed us by the Constitution because of the demands or reactions of another country, organization, or individual, our national sovereignty is at stake.  

You mean like this "pastor" that wants to burn the Koran?

Sure he has the right to do it, and thank God for that.  It's just really fucking pointless and irresponsible, a lot like the GZ Mosque.  

Military Coup? (j/k)

Seriously, I do hope that the troop draw-down takes many, many years so the military can finish their job there.

First let me say....I agree with you guys.

I would love to see what all of the people in this country would say if they seen the text in the Koran that says others dont convert to Islam, they should be killed.

ANYONE who is of the islam faith and believes thier Koran.....Is not moderate.

I wish someone with MSM stroke would start advertising this and see if we cant get this country to pull together on this one.

well said