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Posted: 8/20/2006 5:43:24 PM EDT
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to me the day saddam goes to the gallows.
nothing more is possible. we have 2 options for iraq.... pull out and watch them decay into civil war to be a puppet state of iran. Stay and have our troops in harms way during a never ending civil war with a governement that only wants us their to keep them in power. i am becoming more and more convinced that a single nation state of iraq will not and can not be managed by a central democracy style government. the people have NO concept of what freedom entails, the neighbor states do NOT want them to find out, and more and more it appears their religious leaders hold more power than the central governemnt. While they may claim to be a republic/democracy, they are in fact a thoecracy controled by the sect in office at the time. Unless there is a DRASTIC cultural shift in the region i don't see that changing. |
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Posted: 8/20/2006 5:57:17 PM EDT
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If we pull out now we would be far better off puting Saddam back in power than letting Iran have control of the country. |
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Posted: 8/20/2006 6:15:47 PM EDT
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I don't know the answer but I can say this "GWB is looking like a genius now with military bases parked on both sides of Iran". Who would have thunk it.
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Posted: 8/20/2006 6:28:19 PM EDT
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sadly we don't have the will to use them properly |
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Posted: 8/20/2006 6:34:47 PM EDT
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And Iran is frightened by this brilliant move? Up to now Ahmadinejad's response to this has been 
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Posted: 8/20/2006 6:36:39 PM EDT
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If nearly half the United States wasn't pissing and moaning "no blood for oil" cocksuckery, perhaps more could be accomplished... |
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Posted: 8/20/2006 6:38:24 PM EDT
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George might look like a lot of things but "genius" has never been one of them. Although we now have these bases, they don't seem to be helping our dealings with Iran. |
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Posted: 8/20/2006 6:39:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/20/2006 6:40:46 PM EDT
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congrats on the dumbest post of the thread..... |
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Posted: 8/20/2006 6:42:42 PM EDT
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Only thing to help our dealing with Iran is a salvo of Tridents, and hopefully where Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is standing. |
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Posted: 8/20/2006 6:43:55 PM EDT
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I really don't think that's the issue anymore. It's predominantly Iraqi on Iraqi violence now, and our soldiers are in the crossfire. If every attack on US military targets ended today, the whole thing would still be a huge clusterfuck. |
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Posted: 8/20/2006 6:44:13 PM EDT
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Good point... Come to think of it, I never hear anyone in person whining about Iraq... I've been watching too much news lately. 
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Posted: 8/20/2006 6:54:49 PM EDT
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If a Fundamental Shia Islam government with close ties to Iran is formed, will this be considered victory? Civil war seems inevitable, there is no way the Shia after 70 or so years of brutal oppression by the Sunni minority are going to say "Hey water under the bridge". Remember a couple weeks ago when all those Shiites were in the streets chanting "death to Israel, Death to America"? This is the future government of that country.
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Posted: 8/20/2006 7:03:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2006 1:07:27 PM EDT
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I'm sorry you mistake my intent to be as "pissing on their graves". That is certainly not my intent. I should have made my position clearer, to you, that putting them in the grave in the first place is both unnecessary, and does not further the cause of Liberty among the several States. If you disagree with that, no problem. But we live in a dubious time, where we have a President who belives, down to his core, that he is above the law. And just because troops are sent in harms way does not automatically make it (their mission or assignment) right (or wrong). |
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Posted: 8/22/2006 2:19:42 PM EDT
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If that's your criteria, we won when we defeated the last Iraqi soldiers, now we are just occupying while the government gets on it's feet.... |
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Posted: 8/22/2006 2:24:53 PM EDT
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Thank you for beating me to it, you just forgot the map pic.... |
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Posted: 8/22/2006 2:27:12 PM EDT
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That's his public response, his private response is to get his henchmen in Gaza and Lebanon to start a war with Israel to take the heat off him.... and now he's ready to negotiate..... that's a lot of progress in the last few days.... now we'll just see if it is productive progress or more delaying..... |
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