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Link Posted: 6/13/2002 3:11:05 PM EDT
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BTW, please don't fill in the blanks with the actual letters in 'jacka**' - I may engage him in a game of Scrabble one day for fun and profit!

Or should I have said 'fun and Prophet'?

Eric The(WhoKnows?)Hun[>]:)]
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I know my strengths, and scrabble isn't one of them. Now if you want to set a date for trivial pursuit or monopoly, you're on ;)

-legrue
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 3:11:46 PM EDT
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Hallo Ladies,
You must take note of mein devilish accent.
Now, who wut like to see mein dick?
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Nice! Well done!
Oh, and you would be surprised... :)
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 3:16:53 PM EDT
[#3]
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Hallo Ladies,
You must take note of mein devilish accent.
Now, who wut like to see mein dick?
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Nice! Well done!
Oh, and you would be surprised... :)
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Euro-BOG?

Nah, the odds are too great...you wouldn't own any robots, would you?
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 3:19:36 PM EDT
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Holding a grudge flamer?
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Not really. Hard to get really worked up over this one. (Hard, get it??)

(bored) legrue

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I guess it's a ...sensitive... subject.
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 3:20:44 PM EDT
[#5]
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Holding a grudge flamer?
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Not really. Hard to get really worked up over this one. (Hard, get it??)

(bored) legrue

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I guess it's a ...sensitive... subject.
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No, no skin off me...

-legrue
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 3:21:56 PM EDT
[#6]
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Well, THIS is what can happen: (warning! VERY graphic!)

[url]http://www.infocirc.org/fourn.htm[/url]

I think this is a religious issue only, and has NOTHING to do with health.
I didn't get my boys cut almost 30 years ago, and they are both FINE.
If you want to risk interfering with what nature installed, that is YOUR choice, but I refused to have my baby boys cut, (WITHOUT anesthetic, mind you), as babies.
Just isn't right.
For those of you who are Godly, God didn't make mistakes, right?
Then why would he have mis-installed foreskins???
Why fix it if it isn't broken?
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Hannah! Please please please give [b]MORE WARNING[/b] the next time you post a link to something that gruesome! I'm gonna have freakin' nightmares over that. I don't think I've seen anything that terrible done to a child in my entire life.
I also wanted to add that I'm cut, and I occasionally get "ghost pain" in my foreskin. Much in the same way that an amputee gets pain in a missing limb.
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 3:25:17 PM EDT
[#7]
Is there any way that we can request that a Ninja drop from the ceiling and chop off the heads (get it?) of everyone that has posted to this thread - including myself?

That would be completely deserving and totally sweet.

Link Posted: 6/13/2002 3:27:12 PM EDT
[#8]
Really no point in this... men have been getting cut for many a decade.  What percentage of them actually had a problem?  If you're cut, you're cut.  Mine was cut 39 years ago and there haven't been any complaints from my female 'friends'.  If you feel that strongly against it, then it is only a matter of teaching him proper hygeine methods .
Hannah... no flame intended... but if God made us with no flaws, then what is the appendix for?  And why would it burst suddenly, causing excruciating pain?
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 3:27:42 PM EDT
[#9]
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Well, THIS is what can happen: (warning! VERY graphic!)
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I thought I *did* give a warning.....
Sorry, but this is a serious medical subject, I felt it was worth showing Fathers what *might* happen to their baby sons.
Too awful for words, it takes pictures to illustrate.

Link Posted: 6/13/2002 3:30:50 PM EDT
[#10]
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Really no point in this... men have been getting cut for many a decade.  What percentage of them actually had a problem?  If you're cut, you're cut.  Mine was cut 39 years ago and there haven't been any complaints from my female 'friends'.  If you feel that strongly against it, then it is only a matter of teaching him proper hygeine methods .
Hannah... no flame intended... but if God made us with no flaws, then what is the appendix for?  And why would it burst suddenly, causing excruciating pain?
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God's "recall" mechanism?

Link Posted: 6/13/2002 3:33:51 PM EDT
[#11]
Many folks also have NO problem with their appendix......I am almost 50, and no problems ever.
An appendix removal has less complications than a foreskin removal though, and at least there is a REASON when they rip your appendix out..........duh!.........it is infected!
No problems with most men who have intact foreskins.
More problems than you think with genital mutilations though.

Are most babies who are cut, in some way *infected*? Hell NO!
Nor are they likely to be.
It is a superstitious religious thing, oure and simple.
No GOOD medical reasons at all.
(Propaganda aside)
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 3:34:28 PM EDT
[#12]
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Women, believe it or not, LIKE a man whose sensation is up to par.

Have you ever watched a newborn getting *cut*?
Didn't think so.....
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Yes, I watched my son get his done last March, and he slept through it.  Of course, I made sure they knew my wife's [b]Jewish[/b] OBGYN would be doing it and not some intern or there would be hell to pay.  They can practice on some other person's kid, but we went with a pro.  After it was done it wasn't even red or swollen.


Let me tell ya', while I was in the hospital, after having had my *first* son, I watched them mutilate an infant.
The poor baby was strapped down, they cut.....he turned *white*, then *red*, then passed out unconscious from the awful unexpected pain.
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Wow, what hospital were you at?  That was nothing like what happened to my son, or my little brother back in the 1980's.  I don't know what happened when I got mine done, but I seem to have turned out fine.

Now I have a friend who has his, and he's torn it twice during sex.  Thanks, but no thanks...

Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas.
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 3:34:38 PM EDT
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For Mothers and mothers-to-be:
There is evidence that the trauma of circumcision interferes with the establishment of breastfeeding.
Diane Mason is a mother who regrets circumcising and wrote an excellent article about it in the Toronto Globe and Mail of June 10, 1999.
The health editor of the Canadian women's magazine "Chatelaine" was at odds with her husband until the last minute. She told their story online in the Novermber 1999 issue.
A 1988 scientific paper argues that women choose to have their sons circumcised because of their own sexual preference, and attempts to justify it on that basis. It is presented with an interleaved commentary.

Complications:
The complications page looks at the risks, up to and including death. The boy's penis is sometimes ablated (removed), and one notorious case involving an attempt at gender-reassignment is recounted.

Pain:
The page on pain summarises studies showing the pain of circumcision has long-term effects and is only partially relieved by anaesthetics. A recent report from the AAP recommends that painful proceducres be avoided, but falls short of mentioning the commonest or recommending avoiding it.

Appearance:
For those who think circumcision improves the appearance and is invariably harmless, there's a gallery of pictures of circumcisions. [These were formerly referred to as "botched circumcisions", but that is apparently not how their owners or the photographers saw them, so the term has been removed.
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[url]http://www.circumstitions.com/index.html#complications[/url] To learn more about your friend, the foreskin!


The appendix contains a high concentration of lymphoid follicles. These are highly specialised structures which are a part of the immune system. The clue to the appendix’s function is found in its strategic position right where the small bowel meets the large bowel or colon. The colon is loaded with bacteria which are useful there, but which must be kept away from other areas such as the small bowel and the bloodstream.

Through the cells in these lymphoid follicles, and the antibodies they make (see box below), the appendix is ‘involved in the control of which essential bacteria come to reside in the caecum and colon in neonatal life’.6 Like the very important thymus gland in our chest, it is likely that the appendix plays its major role in early childhood. It is also probably involved in helping the body recognize early in life that certain foodstuffs, bacterially derived substances, and even some of the body’s own gut enzymes, need to be tolerated and not seen as ‘foreign’ substances needing attack.

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[url]http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/357.asp[/url] To learn more about your friend the appendix!


Like the foreskin, not neccessary - but nice to have.[8)]



Link Posted: 6/13/2002 3:40:22 PM EDT
[#14]
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Hannah! Please please please give [b]MORE WARNING[/b] the next time you post a link to something that gruesome! I'm gonna have freakin' nightmares over that.
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I would have sworn we asked Sgtar15 NOT to post pictures!!!

[url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=119483[/url]

-legrue

Link Posted: 6/13/2002 3:44:57 PM EDT
[#15]
Thank you Badseed... very informative.  Hannah, chill out.  I wasn't making fun of you.
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 3:54:54 PM EDT
[#16]
My son is uncut.  When the doc asked me if I wanted him cut, I told him no, but I was interested in getting his ears cropped.

What is the difference between mutilating a clitoris and mutilating a penis?  Oh right...filthy barbarians mutilate clits, while enlightened Christians mutilate a penis.
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 3:56:52 PM EDT
[#17]
I'd think Hannah and Kar98 would want certain men to continue to be circumcized. Isn't that one of the methods their fellow Germans used to identify those dirty Jews?
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 3:59:10 PM EDT
[#18]
My sons are uncut, because, as both a biologist, a paramedic, and a Mother, I KNEW what this procedure involved, both long-term, and short-term.
I would no more have a baby's fingers cut off, if that was the popular religious affectation, than I would have their genitals mutilated.
I owe NO foreskins to Yahweh!!!!!
Neither did my sweet baby boys!
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 3:59:30 PM EDT
[#19]
You like making assumptions, don't you?

Still, hope your boys don't want a circumcision now. For some men, the extra sensations make sex painful, or at least makes them short lived in the sack.

-legrue (yep, seen one. big deal...not)
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I have to wonder how you know which penis feels better to a woman.

Is it safe to say that you're not making an [b]assumption[/b] about which penis feels better when inserted into a orifice?
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 4:00:17 PM EDT
[#20]
Boomer, man, that is just plain mean.
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 4:28:19 PM EDT
[#21]
its a matter of prefrence since there really no way to tell

well i guess u could  get a guy thats uncut and convince him to then get cut and then diffrencen is sensatity and etc.
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 4:34:57 PM EDT
[#22]
Any volunteers? (ouch)

Link Posted: 6/13/2002 4:39:53 PM EDT
[#23]
Kinda like cutting the flash hider off a pre-ban isn't it?
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 4:50:51 PM EDT
[#24]
I have heard the sensations of sex from the the uncut is like stereo color TV compared to cut which is like a portable B&W set.

I am cut, but don't care to have it re-attached.

I would let the kid make his own call and leave it un-cut.

(It might also save his life the next time a pogrom rolls through Colorado)
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 4:56:13 PM EDT
[#25]
That shit's nasty. It just made my nuts ache lookin' at it. No more mountain oysters for GUNSNOB.
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 5:07:05 PM EDT
[#26]
No cut!

[img]http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/motherings.jpg[/img]

[url]http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org[/url]
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 5:22:31 PM EDT
[#27]
Old joke.

Q: Why aren't Arabs circumcised?

A: So they'll have someplace to put their gum during a sandstorm.

Thought it was pretty funny at the time until someone informed me that Arabs are circumcised.

I also remember an old National Lampoon cartoon that had a few cats waiting patiently in an alleyway as if expecting something. The sign on the backdoor where they were waiting had a sign that read

             Morris Greenburg
                   MOHL...

... or something like that. [:P]

Link Posted: 6/13/2002 5:27:50 PM EDT
[#28]
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Well, THIS is what can happen: (warning! VERY graphic!)

[url]http://www.infocirc.org/fourn.htm[/url]

I think this is a religious issue only, and has NOTHING to do with health.
I didn't get my boys cut almost 30 years ago, and they are both FINE.
If you want to risk interfering with what nature installed, that is YOUR choice, but I refused to have my baby boys cut, (WITHOUT anesthetic, mind you), as babies.
Just isn't right.
For those of you who are Godly, God didn't make mistakes, right?
Then why would he have mis-installed foreskins???
Why fix it if it isn't broken?
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Amen Sister
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 6:32:43 PM EDT
[#29]
And having a gun in the house can cause children to be killed.  It doesn't mean in happens often.

I like being cut and if I had a son I'd do the same.  God didn't make it that way for a reason, it's an evolutionary thing that is no longer needed.  I don't run through weeds or over rocks with my thang hanging out.

And besides, chicks like that exposed head. [}:D]

I cut my hair too for aesthetic reasons.
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 8:29:19 PM EDT
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has NOTHING to do with health.
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Well I had to have it done because of infections, so it certainly can have something to do with your health.

For those of you who are Godly, God didn't make mistakes, right?
Then why would he have mis-installed foreskins???
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Don't be so simple.
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 8:35:41 PM EDT
[#31]
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Women, believe it or not, LIKE a man whose sensation is up to par.
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I don't understand this argument.  I certainly have incredible sensation, and can't imagine any more.  I certainly don't feel I'm missing out on anything (except potential infection).
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 9:53:56 PM EDT
[#32]
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Ooooh, is THAT why I'm getting all the cute girls as soon as they hear my Euro accent and figure out I'm NOT cut?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 10:12:32 PM EDT
[#33]
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its a matter of prefrence since there really no way to tell

well i guess u could  get a guy thats uncut and convince him to then get cut and then diffrencen is sensatity and etc.
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I have a Jewish friend from Russia who got his done at 16 after coming to the states.  He said he doesn't miss it, but it was painful until it healed.  He said sexually there is litle difference between what he feels now and what he felt before.

As I mentioned before, I have a friend who has torn his foreskin multiple times during sex and it's painful as well.  He's currently contemplating having it removed.

So, am I evil for getting my son cut?  If not, then I must be ignorant and superstitous, right?  If I cared I'd probably be insulted by such insinuations.  Fortunately, I don't.  My son has had no problems breast feeding, talking or walking.  As a matter of fact, my little 15 month old dozer is pushing the high chair that his mother used to block him in the living room while I cleaned my office around and just stopped to say hi.  The kid is Pecos Bill strong.  He was climbing off the floor before he could walk if that gives you any indication.

Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 10:40:43 PM EDT
[#34]
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Do you realize some men are doing expensive and painful foreskin reconstructions?
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[img]http://a624.g.akamaitech.net/7/624/622/10000091569119/abcnews.go.com/media/Entertainment/images/ap_m_jackson_010904_nh.jpg[/img]


Link Posted: 6/13/2002 10:48:45 PM EDT
[#35]
It hasn't hurt my business none [:D]
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 10:50:43 PM EDT
[#36]
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I think this is a religious issue only, and has NOTHING to do with health.
I didn't get my boys cut almost 30 years ago, and they are both FINE.
If you want to risk interfering with what nature installed, that is YOUR choice, but I refused to have my baby boys cut, (WITHOUT anesthetic, mind you), as babies.Just isn't right.
For those of you who are Godly, God didn't make mistakes, right?Then why would he have mis-installed foreskins??? Why fix it if it isn't broken?
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A while back you also posted some drivel like this:

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When men can become pregnant, they will earn the right to decide about abortion. Until then, it is a woman's issue.
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So my response to you [b]Hannah[/b]:
[b]
When women can grow a foreskin, they will earn the right to decide about circumcision. Until then, it is a man's issue.

In other words, [red]BUTT THE FUCK OUT!![/red][/b][stick]

Link Posted: 6/13/2002 10:57:28 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I think this is a religious issue only, and has NOTHING to do with health.
I didn't get my boys cut almost 30 years ago, and they are both FINE.
If you want to risk interfering with what nature installed, that is YOUR choice, but I refused to have my baby boys cut, (WITHOUT anesthetic, mind you), as babies.Just isn't right.
For those of you who are Godly, God didn't make mistakes, right?Then why would he have mis-installed foreskins??? Why fix it if it isn't broken?
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A while back you also posted some drivel like this:

Quoted:
When men can become pregnant, they will earn the right to decide about abortion. Until then, it is a woman's issue.
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So my response to you [b]Hannah[/b]:
[b]
When women can grow a foreskin, they will earn the right to decide about circumcision. Until then, it is a man's issue.

In other words, [red]BUTT THE FUCK OUT!![/red][/b][stick]

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Hehehehehehe [^]
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 10:58:46 PM EDT
[#38]
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No cut!

[img]http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/motherings.jpg[/img]

[url]http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org[/url]
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WTF!! Mothers against circumcision!! They have their own website.

Sometimes it's really hard to take women seriously.
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 11:51:57 PM EDT
[#39]
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A while back you also posted some drivel like this:

Quoted:
When men can become pregnant, they will earn the right to decide about abortion. Until then, it is a woman's issue.
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So my response to you [b]Hannah[/b]:
[b]
When women can grow a foreskin, they will earn the right to decide about circumcision. Until then, it is a man's issue.

In other words, [red]BUTT THE FUCK OUT!![/red][/b][stick]
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As always, your posts are excellent in content and delivery  [:D]
Link Posted: 6/14/2002 12:06:27 AM EDT
[#40]
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Well, THIS is what can happen: (warning! VERY graphic!)
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I thought I *did* give a warning.....
Sorry, but this is a serious medical subject, I felt it was worth showing Fathers what *might* happen to their baby sons.
Too awful for words, it takes pictures to illustrate.

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I've got 3 sons.  All 3 are cut, not a problem with any of them.  
Link Posted: 6/14/2002 10:08:02 AM EDT
[#41]
There is something you "cut" guys are missing (obviously LOL). You will never experience the pleasure of a woman sucking/nibbling on your foreskin. Or the humor involved when she blows up your foreskin like a balloon.

Do y'all really think a woman cares if you are cut or not? Women will already have made up thier mind whether they will sleep with you long before they see your penis. So this point is rediculous.

Also, I don't believe most woman can even tell. A few months back me and wife was having dinner/drinks with another couple, the female of the other couple mentioned how she had never been with an "uncut" man. I told her she had plenty. Both me and wife just laughed at her because I had dated this girl for over a year and a half and probably had sex with her over 300 times with alot of oral sex as well.

Keep in mind that an uncut penis looks just like a cut one when the skin is pulled back, so us "uncut" guys really have the best of both worlds. We have everything you have, plus a dust cover.




Link Posted: 6/14/2002 11:21:46 AM EDT
[#42]
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Holding a grudge flamer?
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Not really. Hard to get really worked up over this one. (Hard, get it??)

(bored) legrue

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I guess it's a ...sensitive... subject.
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No, no skin off me...

-legrue
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its just a ... stiff ... belife.
Link Posted: 6/14/2002 3:20:09 PM EDT
[#43]

Are we not men?

"I say Snip it.  
Snip it good."



Link Posted: 6/14/2002 5:16:06 PM EDT
[#44]
Hannah - "It is a superstitious religious thing, oure and simple.
No GOOD medical reasons at all."

In come cases it's only religious.  But you are wrong when you say that there are no medical reasons.  I had a terrible infection when I was about 8, and was rushed to the hospital for an emergency circumcision!  Never had any kind of problems AT ALL since then.
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