[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Sig M18 might have just killed an Airman (Page 21 of 28)
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Quoted: Because it's theoretically possible that all the incidents so far have involved something pulling the trigger. Foreign objects pulling the trigger in the holster is something that happens even with safe guns. Shirt tails/keys/glove tabs/insert other object here can be very difficult to see on video, so it's somewhere between extremely difficult and impossible to conclusively prove that any given incident didn't involve a foreign object in the trigger guard. We can look at videos and say 'I don't see how that could be a foreign object', but that's only demonstrating a failure of imagination. And again, I believe P320s have a problem causing them to fire without a trigger pull. If the videos and statements from people involved don't prove it, what would? |
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Quoted: Yeah, a Glock will do it if you get the trigger pulled just the right amount. It's tricky to balance at that point with your finger, but fairly easy with a clamp. https://imgur.com/a/vhjwBbo Any striker fired pistol with a vertically falling sear is going to have a point where pulling the trigger has defeated the striker block and lowered the sear until the remaining engagement is less than the vertical slop of the slide. The PDP won't because it uses a horizontal sear setup; not sure about the others. This does not mean that I think the P320 is fine; I don't. I think it's very likely that there is an undiscovered mechanical flaw causing them to occasionally fire without a trigger pull. I just don't think that an explanation which involves pulling the trigger is terribly meaningful. If there's something pulling the trigger in the holster, no shit you're going to get pistols firing in the holster. Is that really a fair comparison? The Glock trigger has to be pulled 90%? of the way to the rear to have the sear be able to slip off of the striker because it doesn't have a pre-tensioned striker. |
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Quoted: If the videos and statements from people involved don't prove it, what would? Quoted: Quoted: Because it's theoretically possible that all the incidents so far have involved something pulling the trigger. Foreign objects pulling the trigger in the holster is something that happens even with safe guns. Shirt tails/keys/glove tabs/insert other object here can be very difficult to see on video, so it's somewhere between extremely difficult and impossible to conclusively prove that any given incident didn't involve a foreign object in the trigger guard. We can look at videos and say 'I don't see how that could be a foreign object', but that's only demonstrating a failure of imagination. And again, I believe P320s have a problem causing them to fire without a trigger pull. If the videos and statements from people involved don't prove it, what would? Duplicating the issue. People proved the early P320 can fire when dropped by figuring out how to make an early P320 fire when dropped: you drop it at a particular angle. Videos are almost never clear enough to be 100% sure and witness testimony is notoriously unreliable, so until someone can make a P320 fire without a trigger pull using a combination of parts found on P320s in the wild it's not going to be 100% proven. Quoted: Is that really a fair comparison? The Glock trigger has to be pulled 90%? of the way to the rear to have the sear be able to slip off of the striker because it doesn't have a pre-tensioned striker. Fair in what way? |
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Quoted: If the videos and statements from people involved don't prove it, what would? Quoted: Quoted: Because it's theoretically possible that all the incidents so far have involved something pulling the trigger. Foreign objects pulling the trigger in the holster is something that happens even with safe guns. Shirt tails/keys/glove tabs/insert other object here can be very difficult to see on video, so it's somewhere between extremely difficult and impossible to conclusively prove that any given incident didn't involve a foreign object in the trigger guard. We can look at videos and say 'I don't see how that could be a foreign object', but that's only demonstrating a failure of imagination. And again, I believe P320s have a problem causing them to fire without a trigger pull. If the videos and statements from people involved don't prove it, what would? |
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Quoted: The FBI BRF tests, Vancouver, WA PD tests, and Sig's vibration tests were all a good start at proving it. The FBI's test duplicates the punch test. It's half an answer, because it shows that if a striker did fall without a trigger pull the striker block might not catch it, but it's only half an answer because it fails to demonstrate a striker falling without a trigger pull. So yeah, it's a good start. |
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Quoted: Why? You don't need to capitalize "soldier", "sailor" or "marine" when talking about them. Quoted: Quoted: Friggin Stars and Stripes. Capitalize "Airman". Capital A. Idiots. It's always capitalized. Why? You don't need to capitalize "soldier", "sailor" or "marine" when talking about them. General Jumper said so. Take it up with him. https://www.af.mil/News/Commentaries/Display/Article/142333/airman-with-a-capital-a/ Airman with a capital “A” Published March 23, 2004 By General John P. Jumper Chief of Staff WASHINGTON (AFPN) -- I am an Airman. Note that is with a capital “A.” It is just one letter at the beginning of the word, but it signifies a great deal. The reason it is capitalized is simple: Airmen in the United States Air Force are the heart and soul of our unique fighting force, and should be identified by a proper noun. As young children, when we began to read, we learned a capital letter at the front of a word signified something special or important, like our own name, our hometown, and our country. This was reinforced throughout our education and professional life. When we see a capital letter, our minds automatically emphasize that word, and we bestow an increased importance on that person, place, or thing. It is time to formally add our profession to that list of important and special nouns. You may have seen or heard something about my guidance to capitalize the word “Airman.” It is appropriate to do so, in recognition of our rich history, and to emphasize our unparalleled role in the defense of America. Our Air Force is the finest air and space force in the world because of the generations of professional Airmen who have devoted their lives to dominating the skies. Capitalizing the word “Airman” recognizes their historic achievements and signifies our unique contributions to fighting and winning America’s wars. It shows we have earned the respect a proper name imparts. For 38 years of my life, I have been proud to wear the uniform of the United States Air Force. And, whether you have worn it as long as I have or have just recently joined our team, I know we all feel the same sense of pride. Regardless of the uniform we wear, the specialty we hold, the badge over our pocket, and whether we are active duty, Guard, Reserve, or civilian, first and foremost, we are Airmen. We are one Air Force and we are Airmen. |
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Quoted: General Jumper said so. Take it up with him. https://www.af.mil/News/Commentaries/Display/Article/142333/airman-with-a-capital-a/ The marines could decide they want to be addressed as "Exalted High Lord" but they've got about as much chance as that happening as the all the confused trannies running around wanting to be addressed with pronouns that you have to guess at, may change one minute to the next & you aren't allowed to ask. I guess that airmen are so insecure they feel it must capitalized so we will "respek my authoritah" or something. 
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Quoted: Oooops From that page: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/69882/CMSAF_MP5K-3595400.jpg Caption says: "A member of the US Air Force fires an MP5K submachine gun." Ouch. Here is that "member" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/69882/CMSAF_Wright-3595401.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaleth_O._Wright That pic of him shooting is an old as fuck stock photo. We haven't had our airmen in cracked concrete for many years. |
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Quoted: The marines could decide they want to be addressed as "Exalted High Lord" but they've got about as much chance as that happening as the all the confused trannies running around wanting to be addressed with pronouns that you have to guess at, may change one minute to the next & you aren't allowed to ask. I guess that airmen are so insecure they feel it must capitalized so we will "respek my authoritah" or something. |
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Quoted: The marines could decide they want to be addressed as "Exalted High Lord" but they've got about as much chance as that happening as the all the confused trannies running around wanting to be addressed with pronouns that you have to guess at, may change one minute to the next & you aren't allowed to ask. I guess that airmen are so insecure they feel it must capitalized so we will "respek my authoritah" or something. Quoted: Quoted: General Jumper said so. Take it up with him. https://www.af.mil/News/Commentaries/Display/Article/142333/airman-with-a-capital-a/ The marines could decide they want to be addressed as "Exalted High Lord" but they've got about as much chance as that happening as the all the confused trannies running around wanting to be addressed with pronouns that you have to guess at, may change one minute to the next & you aren't allowed to ask. I guess that airmen are so insecure they feel it must capitalized so we will "respek my authoritah" or something. |
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Quoted: Huh?  Floating firing pin in an AR. If dropped muzzle down from high enough it can set off a primer. Slam fires are just that and they absolutely happen. The Defenders who were carrying an M18, loaded, safety off in a Safariland are now carrying their M4s at the gate without a round in the chamber and safety on. That is how you carry an AR platform weapon in garrison and always has been. |
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Quoted: Dude, point made (again and again and again). Please stop shitting in the thread now. Quoted: Quoted: 2 things can be true at the same time. Some people can walk and chew gum both at the same time, I know it's rough concept. It can be true that the 320 is a shit gun that goes off by itself, and it can also shockingly be true that one should also follow gun safety rules and so doing might save their life. Dude, point made (again and again and again). Please stop shitting in the thread now. Who made you the thread police? |
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Quoted: Used to joke that on a FOB overseas, one of the most dangerous places to be was around the salad bar at a DFAC. Fobbit weirdos and aircrew with shoulder holsters pointing pistol barrels in your face everywhere.  Quoted: Quoted: Who the fuck wears a shoulder holster? Used to joke that on a FOB overseas, one of the most dangerous places to be was around the salad bar at a DFAC. Fobbit weirdos and aircrew with shoulder holsters pointing pistol barrels in your face everywhere. Yeah that's a fact. |
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Quoted: Floating firing pin in an AR. If dropped muzzle down from high enough it can set off a primer. Slam fires are just that and they absolutely happen. The Defenders who were carrying an M18, loaded, safety off in a Safariland are now carrying their M4s at the gate without a round in the chamber and safety on. That is how you carry an AR platform weapon in garrison and always has been. Quoted: Quoted: Huh? Floating firing pin in an AR. If dropped muzzle down from high enough it can set off a primer. Slam fires are just that and they absolutely happen. The Defenders who were carrying an M18, loaded, safety off in a Safariland are now carrying their M4s at the gate without a round in the chamber and safety on. That is how you carry an AR platform weapon in garrison and always has been. From 40 feet? firing pins on an AR aren't heavy enough to set off a primer without the hammer behind them. Also that's also not a slam fire, a slam fire is when a firing pin is stuck forward and the bolt going forward chambering the round also fires the weapon. That can happen with an AR, but it's not common. |
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Quoted: General Jumper said so. Take it up with him. https://www.af.mil/News/Commentaries/Display/Article/142333/airman-with-a-capital-a/ Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Friggin Stars and Stripes. Capitalize "Airman". Capital A. Idiots. It's always capitalized. Why? You don't need to capitalize "soldier", "sailor" or "marine" when talking about them. General Jumper said so. Take it up with him. https://www.af.mil/News/Commentaries/Display/Article/142333/airman-with-a-capital-a/ Airman with a capital “A” Published March 23, 2004 By General John P. Jumper Chief of Staff WASHINGTON (AFPN) -- I am an Airman. Note that is with a capital “A.” It is just one letter at the beginning of the word, but it signifies a great deal. The reason it is capitalized is simple: Airmen in the United States Air Force are the heart and soul of our unique fighting force, and should be identified by a proper noun. As young children, when we began to read, we learned a capital letter at the front of a word signified something special or important, like our own name, our hometown, and our country. This was reinforced throughout our education and professional life. When we see a capital letter, our minds automatically emphasize that word, and we bestow an increased importance on that person, place, or thing. It is time to formally add our profession to that list of important and special nouns. You may have seen or heard something about my guidance to capitalize the word “Airman.” It is appropriate to do so, in recognition of our rich history, and to emphasize our unparalleled role in the defense of America. Our Air Force is the finest air and space force in the world because of the generations of professional Airmen who have devoted their lives to dominating the skies. Capitalizing the word “Airman” recognizes their historic achievements and signifies our unique contributions to fighting and winning America’s wars. It shows we have earned the respect a proper name imparts. For 38 years of my life, I have been proud to wear the uniform of the United States Air Force. And, whether you have worn it as long as I have or have just recently joined our team, I know we all feel the same sense of pride. Regardless of the uniform we wear, the specialty we hold, the badge over our pocket, and whether we are active duty, Guard, Reserve, or civilian, first and foremost, we are Airmen. We are one Air Force and we are Airmen. I'll capitalize Golfer, fer sure. |
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Quoted: Yeah that's a fact. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Who the fuck wears a shoulder holster? Used to joke that on a FOB overseas, one of the most dangerous places to be was around the salad bar at a DFAC. Fobbit weirdos and aircrew with shoulder holsters pointing pistol barrels in your face everywhere. Yeah that's a fact. Plus being in the Navy any time your pistol went off in your belt holster you would put a hole in the floor of your boat. Then you'd have to keep your finger in it until you get back to the dock or else you'd sink. Guess nobody thought of that, huh? |
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Did you want Air Force armorers just randomly doing punch tests & inserting wood screws and other such things they randomly find on the internet? No, just just look for crap Indian MIM QC on the sear, SIG showed how the FBI how to do a punch test properly and if you do it properly in a jig there's no issue w/ the striker safety. 
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Quoted: Officers trying to remove the stigma behind the term airman. Airman get called by last name, NCOs get called Sgt Last Name. If it's not a formal setting and you're getting called airman, you're in trouble. Quoted: Quoted: The marines could decide they want to be addressed as "Exalted High Lord" but they've got about as much chance as that happening as the all the confused trannies running around wanting to be addressed with pronouns that you have to guess at, may change one minute to the next & you aren't allowed to ask. I guess that airmen are so insecure they feel it must capitalized so we will "respek my authoritah" or something. "If it's not a formal setting and you're getting called airman, you're in trouble."  So true. |
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Quoted: Did you want Air Force armorers just randomly doing punch tests & inserting wood screws and other such things they randomly find on the internet? No, just just look for crap Indian MIM QC on the sear, SIG showed how the FBI how to do a punch test properly and if you do it properly in a jig there's no issue w/ the striker safety. Quoted: Did you want Air Force armorers just randomly doing punch tests & inserting wood screws and other such things they randomly find on the internet? No, just just look for crap Indian MIM QC on the sear, SIG showed how the FBI how to do a punch test properly and if you do it properly in a jig there's no issue w/ the striker safety. Do you have a link on how to check it properly as per sig? |
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Quoted: Do you have a link on how to check it properly as per sig? Quoted: Quoted: Did you want Air Force armorers just randomly doing punch tests & inserting wood screws and other such things they randomly find on the internet? No, just just look for crap Indian MIM QC on the sear, SIG showed how the FBI how to do a punch test properly and if you do it properly in a jig there's no issue w/ the striker safety. Do you have a link on how to check it properly as per sig? At this point I'm pretty sure SIG doesn't know how to check it properly - I think they know there's a problem but I don't think they know how to solve it. And if you don't know what the problem is, you can't exactly check for its existence. |
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Quoted: At this point I'm pretty sure SIG doesn't know how to check it properly - I think they know there's a problem but I don't think they know how to solve it. And if you don't know what the problem is, you can't exactly check for its existence. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Did you want Air Force armorers just randomly doing punch tests & inserting wood screws and other such things they randomly find on the internet? No, just just look for crap Indian MIM QC on the sear, SIG showed how the FBI how to do a punch test properly and if you do it properly in a jig there's no issue w/ the striker safety. Do you have a link on how to check it properly as per sig? At this point I'm pretty sure SIG doesn't know how to check it properly - I think they know there's a problem but I don't think they know how to solve it. And if you don't know what the problem is, you can't exactly check for its existence. Okidokie |
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Quoted: Did you want Air Force armorers just randomly doing punch tests & inserting wood screws and other such things they randomly find on the internet? No, just just look for crap Indian MIM QC on the sear, SIG showed how the FBI how to do a punch test properly and if you do it properly in a jig there's no issue w/ the striker safety. Quoted: Did you want Air Force armorers just randomly doing punch tests & inserting wood screws and other such things they randomly find on the internet? No, just just look for crap Indian MIM QC on the sear, SIG showed how the FBI how to do a punch test properly and if you do it properly in a jig there's no issue w/ the striker safety. These guns were presumably already subject to regular PMCS. And these guns don't have the age/round count that they should have actually needed any parts replaced yet. I think it's probably safe to say that the standard PMCS procedures aren't enough to prevent these UDs from happening. So sending out a memo that says "do the standard PMCS, but also look for burrs maybe" doesn't accomplish anything. They could have given detailed instructions on inspecting things like the sear, the striker hook, the striker block, and the striker block shelf on the striker with photos of what to look for, but they didn't do that. They aren't doing anything, really. |
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Quoted: These guns were presumably already subject to regular PMCS. And these guns don't have the age/round count that they should have actually needed any parts replaced yet. I think it's probably safe to say that the standard PMCS procedures aren't enough to prevent these UDs from happening. So sending out a memo that says "do the standard PMCS, but also look for burrs maybe" doesn't accomplish anything. They could have given detailed instructions on inspecting things like the sear, the striker hook, the striker block, and the striker block shelf on the striker with photos of what to look for, but they didn't do that. They aren't doing anything, really. Quoted: Quoted: Did you want Air Force armorers just randomly doing punch tests & inserting wood screws and other such things they randomly find on the internet? No, just just look for crap Indian MIM QC on the sear, SIG showed how the FBI how to do a punch test properly and if you do it properly in a jig there's no issue w/ the striker safety. These guns were presumably already subject to regular PMCS. And these guns don't have the age/round count that they should have actually needed any parts replaced yet. I think it's probably safe to say that the standard PMCS procedures aren't enough to prevent these UDs from happening. So sending out a memo that says "do the standard PMCS, but also look for burrs maybe" doesn't accomplish anything. They could have given detailed instructions on inspecting things like the sear, the striker hook, the striker block, and the striker block shelf on the striker with photos of what to look for, but they didn't do that. They aren't doing anything, really. There's also a good chance that there's a couple flights or squadrons out there with personnel who don't even know what a burr looks like, too. |
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Yeah, kinda doubt the average CATM troop has the training, experience, or equipment to do an effective inspection on these pistols. It's also not like they've been in the inventory long enough to establish a shared sense of what normal wear looks like...going to be a bunch of, "Uh, does this look right to you?" But I'm not sure what else they can do at the moment given that they still don't have a definitive cause locked down...what a mess. |
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Quoted: Yeah, kinda doubt the average CATM troop has the training, experience, or equipment to do an effective inspection on these pistols. It's also not like they've been in the inventory long enough to establish a shared sense of what normal wear looks like...going to be a bunch of, "Uh, does this look right to you?" But I'm not sure what else they can do at the moment given that they still don't have a definitive cause locked down...what a mess. I talked to our CATM guys Friday. They flat out told me they don’t know much about their pistols aren’t allowed to do anything beyond cleaning them. They aren’t using different grip sizes as designed. It’s a stupid requirement. |
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Quoted: From 40 feet? firing pins on an AR aren't heavy enough to set off a primer without the hammer behind them. Also that's also not a slam fire, a slam fire is when a firing pin is stuck forward and the bolt going forward chambering the round also fires the weapon. That can happen with an AR, but it's not common. Doesn’t matter. The AR family of weapons (and the 870 family) have non-positive safeties and floating firing pins so standard method of carry (in my branch) is with a chamber empty. PDW’s have firing pin safety blocks and stuff like that so they’re carried with a round in the chamber (and don’t have external safeties either because we went with the vanilla Glock 19) |
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Quoted: Doesn’t matter. The AR family of weapons (and the 870 family) have non-positive safeties and floating firing pins so standard method of carry (in my branch) is with a chamber empty. PDW’s have firing pin safety blocks and stuff like that so they’re carried with a round in the chamber (and don’t have external safeties either because we went with the vanilla Glock 19) Quoted: Quoted: From 40 feet? firing pins on an AR aren't heavy enough to set off a primer without the hammer behind them. Also that's also not a slam fire, a slam fire is when a firing pin is stuck forward and the bolt going forward chambering the round also fires the weapon. That can happen with an AR, but it's not common. Doesn’t matter. The AR family of weapons (and the 870 family) have non-positive safeties and floating firing pins so standard method of carry (in my branch) is with a chamber empty. PDW’s have firing pin safety blocks and stuff like that so they’re carried with a round in the chamber (and don’t have external safeties either because we went with the vanilla Glock 19) I mean yes, it does matter. Accuracy matters. Your branch does whatever it does with whatever justification it wants to make up, but that doesn't change reality. |
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Quoted: modern guns are drop safe. some 1911s aren't, PPKs? I forget the others The secret is to not grab for a dropped gun, that's how you end up grabbing the trigged Quoted: Quoted: My friends dopey dog knocked my p99 out of my hands when I was pulling stuff out of my van. I watched like it was in slow motion as my loaded and chambered p99 sailed out of my hand and onto the concrete driveway. I expected to hear a bang.. but nothing happened. To see the 320's going off with a knock, wiggle and nudge is terrifying. The secret is to not grab for a dropped gun, that's how you end up grabbing the trigged |
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Quoted: Had a photographer friend of mine suggest sticking your foot under something you drop. He said w/ things like lenses if you grab for them you risk knocking them across the room to smash against the wall/floor. I've found sticking a foot under something gives it safer place to land. Obviously you don't want to do it w/ things like knives, but it's not a bad option to cushion a landing. I have done it with a chef's knife. I do not recommend it as a normal practice. Other wise it's a great tactic. |
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Quoted:P320 scandal reached the normies. https://vibes.funnyjunk.com/pictures/Sig+soured_27367b_12636028.jpg
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Quoted: Yeah, SIG's own fuckin vibration testing basically proved that every single UD was probably the gun. Quoted: Quoted: Nobody should be even thinking about buying or using a 320 based on that vibration testing photo alone. Yeah, SIG's own fuckin vibration testing basically proved that every single UD was probably the gun. 10000000000000000000000000% |
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Quoted: P320 scandal reached the normies. https://vibes.funnyjunk.com/pictures/Sig+soured_27367b_12636028.jpg Stonetoss readers aren't normies.
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Quoted: I talked to our CATM guys Friday. They flat out told me they don’t know much about their pistols aren’t allowed to do anything beyond cleaning them. They aren’t using different grip sizes as designed. It’s a stupid requirement. Quoted: Quoted: Yeah, kinda doubt the average CATM troop has the training, experience, or equipment to do an effective inspection on these pistols. It's also not like they've been in the inventory long enough to establish a shared sense of what normal wear looks like...going to be a bunch of, "Uh, does this look right to you?" But I'm not sure what else they can do at the moment given that they still don't have a definitive cause locked down...what a mess. I talked to our CATM guys Friday. They flat out told me they don’t know much about their pistols aren’t allowed to do anything beyond cleaning them. They aren’t using different grip sizes as designed. It’s a stupid requirement. Well thats not good, sounds like specific training updates should be part of this "stand down". |
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Quoted: Other than the grips, the repairs may be under warranty. If so they wouldn’t do the work. Quoted: Quoted: Well thats not good, sounds like specific training updates should be part of this "stand down". Other than the grips, the repairs may be under warranty. If so they wouldn’t do the work. Figured military armorers did repairs or parts replacments once they are in service, my mistake. |
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Quoted: Except what Jambalaya is saying is correct. A refund program with retail prices isn’t happening. It’s not viable. The choices might include a repair or a replacement with something else cheap and striker fired, but that’s about it. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If Sig offered either a full refund + tax or a Sig SP2022 in trade I would be satisfied. The problem is Sig probably sold these guns to distributors, who then sold them to retailers. There have been 2 markups along the way. So if they did a full refund of the retail price they would be paying more to get the guns back than they made selling them. I think a recall refund is probably going to be no more than the wholesale price. But even that would still probably bankrupt them. The fact that you guys would take any product SIG makes in exchange is crazy. Except what Jambalaya is saying is correct. A refund program with retail prices isn’t happening. It’s not viable. The choices might include a repair or a replacement with something else cheap and striker fired, but that’s about it. Replacement parts/repair is the likely outcome if something legally forces them to do it. Will probably take years to service all the pistols though, I assume the military customers will get them upgraded first. I suppose they can send in a new FCU, or slide assembly (or where ever the fail(s) are) and you can swap it out yourself. |
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Quoted: Me. I wear a blazer/sport coat or suit regularly and a vertical shoulder holster is most comfortable. That’s the top half. What do you wear to compliment it? Attached File |
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Quoted: I talked to our CATM guys Friday. They flat out told me they don’t know much about their pistols aren’t allowed to do anything beyond cleaning them. They aren’t using different grip sizes as designed. It’s a stupid requirement. Quoted: Quoted: Yeah, kinda doubt the average CATM troop has the training, experience, or equipment to do an effective inspection on these pistols. It's also not like they've been in the inventory long enough to establish a shared sense of what normal wear looks like...going to be a bunch of, "Uh, does this look right to you?" But I'm not sure what else they can do at the moment given that they still don't have a definitive cause locked down...what a mess. I talked to our CATM guys Friday. They flat out told me they don’t know much about their pistols aren’t allowed to do anything beyond cleaning them. They aren’t using different grip sizes as designed. It’s a stupid requirement. My CATM guys stock and swap out different sized grips based on the needs of the individual. It's extremely easy to do. |
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We received an email Monday stating we could return to normal M18 ops and that we could also suspend the inspections as it had been determined that the incident was due to improper procedures and not a mechanical failure. There are rumors floating around on the net if you go looking for them. |
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Quoted: We received an email Monday stating we could return to normal M18 ops and that we could also suspend the inspections as it had been determined that the incident was due to improper procedures and not a mechanical failure. There are rumors floating around on the net if you go looking for them. 
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Quoted: We received an email Monday stating we could return to normal M18 ops and that we could also suspend the inspections as it had been determined that the incident was due to improper procedures and not a mechanical failure. There are rumors floating around on the net if you go looking for them. @packinheavy I was told by GD that this is a lie and that the AF is expanding its stand down to other commands. |