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Posted: 1/19/2015 2:16:50 PM EDT
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We should get January 23rd off instead. JMB day.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 2:19:58 PM EDT
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I don't mind at all that MLK Jr is recognized and has a holiday in his name. But what I don't like is how at my work, we get MLK Day off and have to work on Presidents Day. Seeing as we've just returned from Christmas break, I'd rather MLK Day be a work day and have Presidents Day off instead, just to spread the days off across the calendar a bit more.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 2:22:23 PM EDT
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MLK definitely does not deserve his own Federal holiday.
That is an honor we don't even bestow on George Washington anymore. MLK's conduct in life was sketchy, and his achievements were minor at best. Blacks in the US don't deserve to have MLK honored in this way. They squandered the gains made by the civil rights movement preferring to enlist in the Free Shit Army instead, and many have made the choice to become racist thugs. They can drag that preposterous made-in-China "MLK frozen in carbonite" monument off the National Mall in D.C. while they are at it. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 2:23:14 PM EDT
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Just stop... MLK was a great conservative. The man was great civil rights leader who relied on conservative values to get his message across. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why shouldn't it be? Just stop... MLK was a great conservative. The man was great civil rights leader who relied on conservative values to get his message across. Yea I always though and read that King was a republican even. Are you confusing him with Malcolm X? |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 2:25:11 PM EDT
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Why shouldn't it be? Why should it be? The man who actually freed the slaves in the U. S. doesn't get his own federal holiday. Sherman? Sherman owned slaves, as did Grant at the same time Lee (who freed Custis' slaves) and Jackson did not. Ironic huh. The 13th Amendment freed the slaves, after the war was over. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 2:26:02 PM EDT
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Yea I always though and read that King was a republican even. Are you confusing him with Malcolm X? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why shouldn't it be? Just stop... MLK was a great conservative. The man was great civil rights leader who relied on conservative values to get his message across. Yea I always though and read that King was a republican even. Are you confusing him with Malcolm X? He was a republican. "The Communist/ actively worked against our forces in IndoChina" is stupid shit people post that are usually from stormfront. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 2:28:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do we even have federal holidays? |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 2:28:26 PM EDT
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He died before the slaves were freed. The Federal government did not interfere with slavery in the border States and the war against the southern States had not quite ended yet when he died. Slavery was abolished via the 13th Amendment subsequent to his death. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What difference does Lincoln's level of empathy for blacks make? He freed the slaves. Well... except he didn't.... Please, tell us the "real" story. He died before the slaves were freed. The Federal government did not interfere with slavery in the border States and the war against the southern States had not quite ended yet when he died. Slavery was abolished via the 13th Amendment subsequent to his death. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation freed the slaves in the Confederate states on January 1, 1863, and the freedom was enforced in those areas that Union forces controlled. By the time that the 13th Amendment was adopted in December, 1865, the Union controlled the entire Confederacy. The 13th Amendment raised Lincoln's executive order to the level of the Constitution, and it addressed any lingering slavery in the border states that did not join the Confederacy. But it most certainly did not free the slaves in the states that seceded - that happened both as a matter of law and by force of the Union Army before Lincoln's death. And even without the 13th Amendment, it would have been unlikely that slavery could have continued in those few slave states that weren't part of the Confederacy. Furthermore, the 13th Amendment might not have happened at all had it not been for Lincoln's proclamation. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 2:41:36 PM EDT
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Not at all.
But concessions must be made. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 2:42:42 PM EDT
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Sure why not.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 2:45:48 PM EDT
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MLK definitely does not deserve his own Federal holiday. That is an honor we don't even bestow on George Washington anymore. MLK's conduct in life was sketchy, and his achievements were minor at best. Blacks in the US don't deserve to have MLK honored in this way. They squandered the gains made by the civil rights movement preferring to enlist in the Free Shit Army instead, and many have made the choice to become racist thugs. They can drag that preposterous made-in-China "MLK frozen in carbonite" monument off the National Mall in D.C. while they are at it. Should we trade it for Obama day? I mean the first semi black president is historical to the race baiting crowd. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 2:45:55 PM EDT
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Why shouldn't it be? And from that page..... "Yet king — a man who was a phony, a cheater, a traitor, and a sexual degenerate gets a day of his own. " fake holiday |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 2:50:32 PM EDT
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They can drag that preposterous made-in-China "MLK frozen in carbonite" monument off the National Mall in D.C. while they are at it. Ha! I was wondering where I saw that before. 
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Posted: 1/19/2015 2:54:02 PM EDT
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I got nothing
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Posted: 1/19/2015 4:12:18 PM EDT
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Just stop... MLK was a great conservative. The man was great civil rights leader who relied on conservative values to get his message across. MLK Jr was anti-capitalist; here are some quotes for you to consider. "I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic... [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive... but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness." (Letter to Coretta Scott, July 18, 1952) "One day we must ask the question, "Why are there forty million poor people in America?" ... When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy." (Final speech to the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, 1967) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/obery-m-hendricks-jr-phd/the-uncompromising-anti-capitalism-of-martin-luther-king-jr_b_4629609.html |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 4:17:36 PM EDT
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He is responsible for all the World's evils and also bringing indoor plumbing to North America. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No. Labour Day should also be eliminated. The Constitution's anniversary should be made a holiday instead, and Columbus Day should be restored to a more prestigious position than that to which it has been demoted. And what did Columbus do, exactly? Didn't discover anything and didn't settle much either. He's the story we tell kids in school. That's it. He is responsible for all the World's evils and also bringing indoor plumbing to North America. You had me at indoor plumbing. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 4:43:10 PM EDT
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What difference does Lincoln's level of empathy for blacks make? He freed the slaves. Well... except he didn't.... Please, tell us the "real" story. He declared free only the slaves IN THE REBELLING STATES. Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Proclamation The Emancipation Proclamation was a presidential proclamation and executive order issued by President Abraham Lincoln on January 1, 1863, as a war measure during the American Civil War, directed to all of the areas in rebellion and all segments of the executive branch (including the Army and Navy) of the United States.[1] It proclaimed the freedom of slaves in the ten states that were still in rebellion,[2] excluding areas controlled by the Union and thus applying to 3 million of the 4 million slaves in the U.S. at the time. The Proclamation was based on the president's constitutional authority as commander in chief of the armed forces;[3] it was not a law passed by Congress. The Proclamation also ordered that suitable persons among those freed could be enrolled into the paid service of United States' forces, and ordered the Union Army (and all segments of the Executive branch) to "recognize and maintain the freedom of" the ex-slaves. The Proclamation did not compensate the owners, did not outlaw slavery, and did not grant citizenship to the ex-slaves (called freedmen). It made the eradication of slavery an explicit war goal, in addition to the goal of reuniting the Union.[4] He may have wanted to fully emancipate everyone, but that's not what he actually did. I swear, no one actually reads history any more. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 4:47:01 PM EDT
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Funny story.
I work for a Home Healthcare company. We have approximately 100 staff. 3 are black. While at a big seminar out of state one of our managers revealed that we did not recognize MLK holiday. Apparently got an eye roll and "well it is West Virginia afterall". Soooooo ... we lost Good Friday and gained MLK. The 3 black staff members stood up at the next all staff meeting and requested that we would go back to Good Friday and forget about MLK as the Easter Holiday meant more to them and all of the rest of us than MLK. A bunch of us in the room chuckled but it was to no avail. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 4:51:48 PM EDT
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Voted "No" because the holiday is just not well placed. We just had 2 weeks off for Christmas/New Years. Everyone is finally getting back into the swing at work...
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Posted: 1/19/2015 5:12:40 PM EDT
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My wife and son have a season pass for a local ski place. It is usually good for other ski areas on most dates.
This morning I asked her if she was going to one of the other ski areas and she told me she couldn't due to it being MLK day. It appears for at least some ski places MLK day is a blackout date.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 5:15:40 PM EDT
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I voted yes and apparently i am in the 22% minority. He was a good man and a Great speaker. He died for his beliefs of something higher/better. He impacted millions of people. His dream has been co-opted and perverted beyond any vision the man, himself, had but it is still a good dream. You guys do know he was a Republican, right? Both him and his father. (ETA: well, beardog30 and some others do) Fucking Bobby Kennedy threatened to jail them both so they changed over to Dem. I probably would too to stay out of jail and keep spreading the word. Labor day?, fuck it, get rid of that one if you want to get rid of anything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why shouldn't it be? Why should it be? I voted yes and apparently i am in the 22% minority. He was a good man and a Great speaker. He died for his beliefs of something higher/better. He impacted millions of people. His dream has been co-opted and perverted beyond any vision the man, himself, had but it is still a good dream. You guys do know he was a Republican, right? Both him and his father. (ETA: well, beardog30 and some others do) Fucking Bobby Kennedy threatened to jail them both so they changed over to Dem. I probably would too to stay out of jail and keep spreading the word. Labor day?, fuck it, get rid of that one if you want to get rid of anything. You really don't believe that stuff you just wrote do you 
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Posted: 1/19/2015 5:37:03 PM EDT
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Gd hates everyone in the civil rights movement. I like Wayne LaPierre. Gun ownership is a civil right, too.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 5:44:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gd hates everyone in the civil rights movement.  |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 5:53:53 PM EDT
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Why shouldn't it be? Why should it be? The man who actually freed the slaves in the U. S. doesn't get his own federal holiday. Sherman? 
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Posted: 1/19/2015 5:54:54 PM EDT
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"I don't recognize this so-called holiday because it's not my culture, it's a White people holiday."
What a black coworker said to me about veterans/memorial day. I told him this morning I feel the exact same way about today and the entire month of February. I also told him I was pissed that they closed the post office today because I'm waiting on some stuff to come in. I don't think it should be a Fed holiday. Before the usual apologists scream Raciss , I don't celebrate: Cinco de Mayo Passover Kwanza Ramadan Boxing Day Columbus Day Etc. Your Friendly Neighbor, WhiteMaleHeteroConservativeEmployedProperty/GunOwner If you're offended, eat a bag of dicks and ignore me. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 6:29:23 PM EDT
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He declared free only the slaves IN THE REBELLING STATES. Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Proclamation He may have wanted to fully emancipate everyone, but that's not what he actually did. I swear, no one actually reads history any more. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What difference does Lincoln's level of empathy for blacks make? He freed the slaves. Well... except he didn't.... Please, tell us the "real" story. He declared free only the slaves IN THE REBELLING STATES. Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Proclamation The Emancipation Proclamation was a presidential proclamation and executive order issued by President Abraham Lincoln on January 1, 1863, as a war measure during the American Civil War, directed to all of the areas in rebellion and all segments of the executive branch (including the Army and Navy) of the United States.[1] It proclaimed the freedom of slaves in the ten states that were still in rebellion,[2] excluding areas controlled by the Union and thus applying to 3 million of the 4 million slaves in the U.S. at the time. The Proclamation was based on the president's constitutional authority as commander in chief of the armed forces;[3] it was not a law passed by Congress. The Proclamation also ordered that suitable persons among those freed could be enrolled into the paid service of United States' forces, and ordered the Union Army (and all segments of the Executive branch) to "recognize and maintain the freedom of" the ex-slaves. The Proclamation did not compensate the owners, did not outlaw slavery, and did not grant citizenship to the ex-slaves (called freedmen). It made the eradication of slavery an explicit war goal, in addition to the goal of reuniting the Union.[4] He may have wanted to fully emancipate everyone, but that's not what he actually did. I swear, no one actually reads history any more. Which I posted about a few hours ago.  I swear, no one actually reads the entire thread before posting anymore.
Lincoln had good reasons for not extending the 1863 Emancipation Proclamation to the states that did not join the Confederacy. He likely expected that it, or something else (which turned out to be the 13th Amendment) would eliminate slavery throughout the Union, once the Confederacy was defeated and the war was over. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 2:07:00 AM EDT
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Poll results are about what I expected them to be.
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