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Posted: 8/28/2004 3:05:09 PM EDT

[#1]

A slide release is definitely quicker than ham-handing the slide.

5.7x28: 36gr .22 bullet at 2200fps.
.22 Magnum: 50gr bullet at 1900fps.

Sorry guys the 5.7 is a pathetic joke.

And spare me the "do you want to be shot by one?" BS. I don't want to be shot by anything, not even a .22 short. That still doesn't make the 5.7 viable.

If armor penetration is important maybe the gun designers should come up with a more potent round. Or as compact a 5.56 as possible.

Oh BTW I've fired a P90. Very slick cute little design. If issued one I'd have to do a 10rd burst minimum & hope at least 3-4 hit something. "F" the semi mode. And the pistol.

Posted: 8/28/2004 3:32:35 PM EDT

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A slide release is definitely quicker than ham-handing the slide.

5.7x28: 36gr .22 bullet at 2200fps.
.22 Magnum: 50gr bullet at 1900fps.

Sorry guys the 5.7 is a pathetic joke.

And spare me the "do you want to be shot by one?" BS. I don't want to be shot by anything, not even a .22 short. That still doesn't make the 5.7 viable.

If armor penetration is important maybe the gun designers should come up with a more potent round. Or as compact a 5.56 as possible.

Oh BTW I've fired a P90. Very slick cute little design. If issued one I'd have to do a 10rd burst minimum & hope at least 3-4 hit something. "F" the semi mode. And the pistol.

Funny...about 40 years ago ppl. said the same thing about the .223. Seems to have done quite well...

Posted: 8/28/2004 4:43:31 PM EDT

[#3]

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A slide release is definitely quicker than ham-handing the slide.

5.7x28: 36gr .22 bullet at 2200fps.
.22 Magnum: 50gr bullet at 1600fps.From a handgun.

Sorry guys the 5.7 is a pathetic joke.

And spare me the "do you want to be shot by one?" BS. I don't want to be shot by anything, not even a .22 short. That still doesn't make the 5.7 viable.

If armor penetration is important maybe the gun designers should come up with a more potent round. Or as compact a 5.56 as possible.

Oh BTW I've fired a P90. Very slick cute little design. If issued one I'd have to do a 10rd burst minimum & hope at least 3-4 hit something. "F" the semi mode. And the pistol.

There, I fixed it for ya'. What most people don't understand is that 2200fps. IS from a handgun, not a long gun. You'll only get about 1600fps from a .22Mag from a pistol so the 5.7mm is far from a .22Mag.

Posted: 8/28/2004 4:48:24 PM EDT

[#4]

I'm sorry, but I'd rather having a slow, hard hitting .45 than a 2000MPH needle.

Posted: 8/28/2004 4:52:07 PM EDT

[#5]

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www.selfdefenseforums.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-781.html

Here's a link to another forum that talks about what I'm trying to say. You don't release the slide with the "sling shot" grip, you use an over hand grip, it's fast and easy to just reach up and over the slide after you seat the mag and pull it back a bit so it'll release. That way you won't ware out your slide stop and the technique will work with ALL semi autos, reguardless of type. This is just a very K.I.S.S. way of releasing the slide, that's why I like it.

That's the way I've learned to do mag changes. It works very well.

Posted: 8/28/2004 4:52:34 PM EDT

[#6]

20 rounders will be available after the sunset.

Posted: 8/28/2004 4:53:37 PM EDT

[#7]

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I didn't like it.

Slide drop is tight as hell and hard to access.

You USE the slide drop, why, just do it like the Michigan State Police and reach over top and pull back on the slide and let it go. That works for ALL semi-auto and won't ware out your slide stop.

Too slow.

TOO SLOW, have you tried it. All ya' do is after you seat the mag reach around and tug on the slide. You don't grab it like you would when you chamber a round, you grab it with your thumb back toward you. I wish I had a pic, I'll google it and see if I can post one. The neat thing is that it works for all semis, no need to learn where the slide stop is on each and every pistol.

When a weapon has a proper slide release you can drop the slide while bringing it back to the target with your left hand already in it's proper grip.

The pistol should never be off target.

Posted: 8/28/2004 4:56:06 PM EDT

[#8]

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Not a .45

Try hitting a pepper popper at theat distance

I think he means it won't drop a steel target. I've seen 9s fail to do it on ~~occasion~~ often.

Posted: 8/28/2004 5:05:27 PM EDT

[#9]

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Not a .45

Try hitting a pepper popper at theat distance

I think he means it won't drop a steel target. I've seen 9s fail to do it on ~~occasion~~ often.

Me too. I have made good solid hits with a 9mm on steel plates only to see the plate stay up. But only with the relatively mild 9mm civvy hardball. Hotter ammo usually works great. But imagine with me, if you will, the resounding power of a 30 grain projectile pounding that same steel plate.....Oh the power!!

I have also seen .45 ACP fail too. Course that's because the 230 grain bullet smacks the plate so hard it rebounds into the upright position. I spent 5 magazines on one plate rack trying to clear it. There were only 6 targets. I hit with every shot, but the darned things wouldn't stay down.

The instructor asked me why I kept shooting.

"Well if I am in a fight and some bastard keeps getting up after I shoot him, I am sure as heck gonna shoot him again!"

Posted: 8/28/2004 5:06:07 PM EDT

[#10]

.45 acp drops .75" at 20 yards. 9.9" at 60 yards. 28" at 100 yards.

at least according to a table i just read.

now, i ain't no pistol crackshot but i HAVE to use major holdover to stretch my 1911's out.

please tell me where i can buy one of these here wonder pistols that flatten out .45 acp. i'll bet they cost alot, but i realy want to try one out.

Posted: 8/28/2004 5:09:58 PM EDT

[#11]

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.45 acp drops .75" at 20 yards. 9.9" at 60 yards. 28" at 100 yards.

at least according to a table i just read.

now, i ain't no pistol crackshot but i HAVE to use major holdover to stretch my 1911's out.

please tell me where i can buy one of these here wonder pistols that flatten out .45 acp. i'll bet they cost alot, but i realy want to try one out.

If your sights are regulated for 25 yards, it makes a difference in all that math. Mine are regulated perfectly for 25 yards.

I certainly have to do a little hold over to hit something at 100 yards, but it isn't like I have to aim at the sun or anything to do it. Most people over-estimate the ammount of holdover needed at that distance.

Posted: 8/28/2004 5:17:18 PM EDT

[#12]

The slide release is much faster.

There are a couple of reasons for the two hand release I know of:
1. Non-~~fighting~~ 1911 guns are popular with the masses now.
2. Ranges that rent guns don't want to replace worn or broken slide stops every 20,000 rds.

There are a few ~~POS~~ handguns out there that will not reliably chamber a round if the slide release is used because there is not enough spring tension left from the slightly forward position of the slide. This bad design required new handling techniques be learned. So if you use a 1911 you are fine no matter what you do. If not, make sure releasing from the slide stop actually allows a round to be fully chambered every time.

Posted: 8/28/2004 5:21:11 PM EDT

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The slide release is much faster.

There are a couple of reasons for the two hand release I know of:
1. Non-~~fighting~~ 1911 guns are popular with the masses now.
2. Ranges that rent guns don't want to replace worn or broken slide stops every 20,000 rds.

There are a few ~~POS~~ handguns out there that will not reliably chamber a round if the slide release is used because there is not enough spring tension left from the slightly forward position of the slide. This bad design required new handling techniques be learned. So if you use a 1911 you are fine no matter what you do. If not, make sure releasing from the slide stop actually allows a round to be fully chambered every time.

I train not to run the gun dry. A firearm doesn't work too well when it is empty.

The only time to touch the slide or release is when there is a jam. If you practice using the palm over the top method, you can clear a jam very quickly and never have to worry about touching the slide release.

Posted: 8/28/2004 5:53:15 PM EDT

[#14]

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I train not to run the gun dry. A firearm doesn't work too well when it is empty.

The only time to touch the slide or release is when there is a jam. If you practice using the palm over the top method, you can clear a jam very quickly and never have to worry about touching the slide release.

I practice that too. But I also practice running dry. I also practice one-handed like one arm has been disabled by a hit (or is otherwise occupied). Try reloading with one hand. Not only is it slower, but very hard to do without using the slide release. If you have a pistol that does not go into battery 100% of the time after a one-handed slide release you are for a world of hurt if you are ever in that situation for real. That's why the 1911 still rules real gunfighting. There are all sorts of bugs that don't show up in regular training, but somehow JB managed to design a pistol that overcame them all in 1911. He was a genius.

Posted: 8/28/2004 5:56:28 PM EDT

[#15]

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I train not to run the gun dry. A firearm doesn't work too well when it is empty.

The only time to touch the slide or release is when there is a jam. If you practice using the palm over the top method, you can clear a jam very quickly and never have to worry about touching the slide release.

I practice that too. But I also practice running dry. I also practice one-handed like one arm has been disabled by a hit (or is otherwise occupied). Try reloading with one hand. Not only is it slower, but very hard to do without using the slide release. If you have a pistol that does not go into battery 100% of the time after a one-handed slide release you are for a world of hurt if you are ever in that situation for real. That's why the 1911 still rules real gunfighting. There are all sorts of bugs that don't show up in regular training, but somehow JB managed to design a pistol that overcame them all in 1911. He was a genius.

Learn to do a slide release or clear one handed off your belt. Takes lots of practice but it is faster then other options.

Posted: 8/28/2004 6:06:59 PM EDT

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Not a .45

Try hitting a pepper popper at theat distance

Sounds like you need training. Stop trying to buy gadgets to make up for inadequate skills.

Do you even know what a pepper popper is?

AJNTSA

First engage your brain before responding.

I've engaged Pepper Poppers to 47y with my G19, its not a problem with a .45 (as my other classmates with 1911s had no issues).

The 'gadget' was the FiveseveN - that's all it is. If you can't hit a popper at 50y with your .45 aiming COM then you need training - BADLY.

Posted: 8/28/2004 6:14:40 PM EDT

[#17]

My brother got one.

Negative

We heard the mags fell apart. His mags seemed tight.

Second time shooting it, the mag bottom fell out. Dumped all the ammo and gusts all over the range floor.

He now cups his left hand under the mag. If it falls apart, he should be able to save the ammo and gust before the big dump.

People have told him to put a drop of glue where the mag body and floor plate meet. He doesn't want to do that because it would be a pain to disassemble to clean or repair.

Positive

It was fun to shoot.

Colt_SBR

Posted: 8/28/2004 7:46:26 PM EDT

[#18]

Still waiting on the Info about $7.00 for a box of 50.

BTW

I have shot the pistol, reminded me of a pellet gun. It will set off Tannerite tho.

P90 is kick ass!

Still don't know why in the two Stargate TV shows they have them. Awfully light weight to be shooting the bad guys. I would rather have a SAW or a G3.

Posted: 8/28/2004 8:51:58 PM EDT

[#19]

SG1 was nuts about 9mm armor piercing, and now the 5.7mm. They go full-auto running through multiple magazines before the bad guy drops or he shoots them with a stun gun first and takes them prisoner. If anything, they show why NOT to shoot a full-auto cricket gun.

Once O'Neill used an HK91 from a hilltop and got long range one shot kills. Did he learn his lesson? No. He discarded it for a 9mm subgun for the assault.

I would love to see an M4 or two on this show. For the kind of bigass aliens they face they really should have AR10s or Bushmaster .308s. Maybe this websites sponsors should go after the show with weapon upgrades in hand.

Posted: 8/28/2004 8:58:52 PM EDT

[#20]

if i get one it beter have a 2 and 3 shot selector swich

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